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Title: Non limestone Euro sport climbing?
Post by: Krank on December 30, 2008, 11:51:54 pm
I am after a destination for some bolt clipping next year but would like to get away from limestone. I have got trips to Siurana and Ceuse planned but would like somewhere a bit different. Any rock type would do as long as there are plenty of routes in the 6's and 7's of reasonable quality. Cheers
Title: Re: Non limestone Euro sport climbing?
Post by: n_man on December 31, 2008, 09:14:49 am
Val Di Melo?
Title: Re: Non limestone Euro sport climbing?
Post by: JohnM on December 31, 2008, 10:58:08 am
Ailefroide has got superb granite sport climbing.  It has good single pitch stuff from slabs to overhanging and roof climbs, to 15 pitch bolted multipitches.  It also has some adventure style sport climb as well such as Cascade Bleu where you traverse across two waterfalls!  In Spain there is the granite area of La Prediza near Madrid which also has a selection of single pitch and multipitch sport climbs.  In the south of Spain there is a coastal sport climbing venue near Tarifa which a coarse grained sandstone much like grit.  Probably not worth a special visit though.  I would definitely recommend a visit to Ailefroide though it is absolutely stunning!
Title: Re: Non limestone Euro sport climbing?
Post by: Krank on December 31, 2008, 12:18:25 pm
nice one fellas
Title: Re: Non limestone Euro sport climbing?
Post by: whispering nic on January 01, 2009, 10:53:26 pm
Valle de Chaudefour near Clermont Ferrand and surrounding area has some good Rhyolitey type stuff (google dent de la rancune for the best crag of the area.

Plenty of Mica Schist and Gneiss within easy striking distance of Chamonix.

Buoux is pretty unusual as limestone goes.

The border between Czech and Germany near the Elbe river has a huge amount of sandstone climbing. The bolts are fairly well spaced( :jaw:) but some of the Czech crags are getting friendlier. Make sure you understand the local ethics if you do go...

Scotland has sport routes on Schist, Gneiss, Conglomerate, Metamorphosed sandstone, and a few more. Don't underestimate the weather or the midges though!
Title: Re: Non limestone Euro sport climbing?
Post by: Krank on January 02, 2009, 12:09:29 am
cheers for the info. I really want to climb on some bolted sandstone, but having watched the sharp end i am now scarred of the Czechs and there crazy knotted madness. My mate is set on some granite so i think we might try Ailefroide, a bit of gneiss does sound appealing though. thanks again.
Title: Re: Non limestone Euro sport climbing?
Post by: account_inactive on January 02, 2009, 10:37:31 am
Try here
http://www.climbing.lu/index.php?page=berdorf (http://www.climbing.lu/index.php?page=berdorf)

It's like a massive Font that has been bolted.  Berdorf is not huge but probably enough for a week.  The Dutch and Luxembourgers need a pass to climb, although I think we got away with having BMC membership
Title: Re: Non limestone Euro sport climbing?
Post by: Krank on January 02, 2009, 11:09:21 am
That is spot on Dylan, exactly what im after. Nice one.
Title: Re: Non limestone Euro sport climbing?
Post by: Jaspersharpe on January 02, 2009, 11:11:14 am
Savassona looks amazing for sandstone bolt clipping stuff.....

http://www.flickr.com/photos/jandiro/tags/savassona/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/jandiro/tags/savassona/)

http://ukbouldering.com/board/index.php/topic,4660.msg132180.html#msg132180 (http://ukbouldering.com/board/index.php/topic,4660.msg132180.html#msg132180)

http://ukbouldering.com/board/index.php/topic,4660.msg144581.html#msg144581 (http://ukbouldering.com/board/index.php/topic,4660.msg144581.html#msg144581)
Title: Re: Non limestone Euro sport climbing?
Post by: Krank on January 05, 2009, 12:54:23 pm
Cheers Jasper, looks tasty
Title: Re: Non limestone Euro sport climbing?
Post by: T_B on January 05, 2009, 01:43:02 pm
I've heard good things about both Berdorf and also Freyr (Belgium).

I've been to the Czech on two separate trips - Decin, which is in the north and right on the border with Germany, is much more mellow than Ardspach/Teplice. The routes have proper bolts in them and some are definitely 'sport routes', though they tend to be runout in places - probably no more than you get at Ceuse/Tarn.
Title: Re: Non limestone Euro sport climbing?
Post by: Krank on January 05, 2009, 03:30:31 pm
Cheers T_B i will check out Freyr, Berdorf is top of the list at the moment it looks mega.
Title: Re: Non limestone Euro sport climbing?
Post by: SA Chris on January 05, 2009, 03:46:39 pm
Freyr is not non-limestone. Could be combined with Berdorf though.
Title: Re: Non limestone Euro sport climbing?
Post by: webbo on January 06, 2009, 08:28:18 am
i've got an old grimpeur mag at home which has shows bolted sandstone in the alsace and mosel valleys plus it has pics of stuff round strasborg.if i could read french i might be of more help. :-[
Title: Re: Non limestone Euro sport climbing?
Post by: SA Chris on January 06, 2009, 08:33:27 am
There was also an article on that area in an old OTE.
Title: Re: Non limestone Euro sport climbing?
Post by: groovedog on January 06, 2009, 09:05:17 am
I really enjoyed ailfrode, loads to do there. We were there in August very warm in the day, but cold at night. Before April after Oct might be too cold, but i'm not sure. Theres loads of other crags around there... I can dig out the guide if you need names of crag. Mount Dauphin (i think correct name) was conclomerate up the road from ailefrode also many other really varied crags in that valley around Briancon. Have a look on UKC they'll be in the database there.

Also Riglos, Sport climbing I think???  Massive multipitch conclomerate spires. Never been but meant to be amazing.

Title: Re: Non limestone Euro sport climbing?
Post by: butters on January 06, 2009, 09:29:59 am
Also Riglos, Sport climbing I think???  Massive multipitch conclomerate spires. Never been but meant to be amazing.

That's the name of the place - always wanted to go there after reading an old Grimer article a few years back - seem to remember there being a comparison between the structure of the conglomerate and a bag of potatoes IIRC.

bluebrad
Title: Re: Non limestone Euro sport climbing?
Post by: Ged on January 08, 2009, 11:51:59 am
Try Corsica.  I reckon it's one of the most amazing places I've visited, and the granite sport climbing is brilliant.  The Restonica valley near Corte is a good place to start, awesome weird blobby steep stuff through to cracks and everything else.  Did an amazing 7c that involved a butterfly jam into a weird knee bar shuffle and some serious chimneying.  I nearly puked afterwards and had the scars on my shoulders and back for a month afterwards.  Nearly did a stunning 8a finger crack, that was right next to the road.  Loads of easy stuff too.  Col di Bavella is also good, but you need a trad rack to make the most.  Such a stunning place to hang around though. Camper van recomended as campsites are pricey.
Title: Re: Non limestone Euro sport climbing?
Post by: Joepicalli on January 08, 2009, 01:18:58 pm
 I would thoroughly recommend The Esterels about 1hr from Nice. Red Porphory well bolted ;oads of 6's & 7's
Title: Re: Non limestone Euro sport climbing?
Post by: Krank on January 08, 2009, 01:44:52 pm
Cheers all, this lot should keep me happy for my next few trips. Keep em comin ;D
Title: Re: Non limestone Euro sport climbing?
Post by: highrepute on January 13, 2009, 12:29:51 am
I went here in the summer

http://www.coronn.com/TOPOS/spain/montserrat/montserrat_photo.html (http://www.coronn.com/TOPOS/spain/montserrat/montserrat_photo.html)

Extremely picturesque, also quite cool as it is high up. We were there in July and heat was just about manageable. The climbing is very different to any sports climbing i'd experienced before. It's all slab climbing, ideal if you've broken both arms, actually quite scary because falling involves a foot slipping and short slide down the rock. The rock is a conglomerate with large bits, hard to describe... like grit but with more pebbles and the pebbles are the size of your fist.
Title: Re: Non limestone Euro sport climbing?
Post by: Bubba on January 13, 2009, 12:56:11 am
It's all slab climbing

Mainly slabs, but lots of non-slab stuff there too ;)

(http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/7789/ciller8bsantbenet8vh.jpg)

(http://www.8a.nu/images/gallery/1683_633395687392019461.jpg)

(http://www.8a.nu/images/gallery/17296_633204608623906250.jpg)

(http://lh4.ggpht.com/_8ISIK2q5fVw/R36_EacYByI/AAAAAAAAOuc/LJfySE86Emc/s512/Grace%20Puertas%20-%20Sprint%20Final%2C%208a%2B%20-15-%20L%27Agulla%20del%20Senglar%20%2830-12-07%29.jpg)

This gallery has some topos
 (http://picasaweb.google.com/Grendel.Mic/MontserratReseAsYEscaladasResenyesIEscalades#)

Title: Re: Non limestone Euro sport climbing?
Post by: SA Chris on January 13, 2009, 08:37:50 am
Looks less pebbly than I had imagined it, compared to other conglomerate I've climbed on.
Title: Re: Non limestone Euro sport climbing?
Post by: Krank on January 13, 2009, 09:11:36 am
Cheers fella's. what is the state of the bolting? i thought i read somewhere that it was a little poor, i could be wrong though they look ok in the pictures. I dont mind well spaced bolts, i prefer it, but i like bolts that dont come out ::)
Title: Re: Non limestone Euro sport climbing?
Post by: Stu Littlefair on January 13, 2009, 12:12:16 pm

Montserrat is a huge area (two thick guidebooks cover it, but not completely), so it's a bit nonsensical to describe it as pebbly, or not pebbly, or well bolted, or slabby, or whatever. There are even a couple of sectors which are coated with limestone on the surface, like Montsant or Margalef.

My second hand info on the sectors with topos on that website is that they are south facing, well bolted and with  a range of angles and more pocket than pebble pulling. Suffice it to say that Montserrat probably has the crag you're looking for on it somewhere, provided the crag you are looking for is not massively overhanging, and is made of conglomerate.
Title: Re: Non limestone Euro sport climbing?
Post by: Krank on January 13, 2009, 12:51:56 pm
Cheers stu
Title: Re: Non limestone Euro sport climbing?
Post by: highrepute on January 13, 2009, 12:59:43 pm
Cheers fella's. what is the state of the bolting?

One of pioneers of the area around the monastery (where I went) owns and lives (i think) on the campsite, can't remember his name. He was actively replacing bolts, so a lot of the routes we did had new bolts, most of the bolts I saw looked pretty solid too me but there were old ones about. If you ask him and you can speak Spanish he'll tell you (for hours) where the best climbing, new bolts are etc etc. I think the guide I have even tells you the type of bolts on a route so you have an idea if they are new or not.

I'm only describing the area around the monastery, as that's where I went. My experience here was slabby until you got to grades 7a and above and pebbly. Also, we chose this area because a lot of it was north facing, ideal for summer. I've heard the south facing area are better for winter.
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