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Title: Historical Nuggets
Post by: remus on January 14, 2024, 06:04:03 pm
It seems like there's been some interest in the stuff I do through climbing-history.org, so I thought a thread to discuss anything to do with the history of climbing could be fun.

To whet the whistle, Gordon Jenkin recently donated the diaries of Arnis Strapcans to the Mountain Heritage Trust (https://www.mountain-heritage.org/), and I was able to have a browse through them, scan a few pics and take a few notes. He was a prolific climber in the south west throughout the 1970s before he sadly died in the alps in 1980. If you've spent any time trad climbing down there you'll likely be familiar with some of his routes: Main Wall Eliminate at Avon, The Exorcist on Lundy, Heart of the Sun, Atmosfears etc.

His diaries and first ascent write ups are amazingly well written and well worth a browse (click 'more' under pics and vids): https://climbing-history.org/climber/1808/arnis-strapcans
Title: Re: Historical Nuggets
Post by: remus on January 14, 2024, 06:06:32 pm
And next up a question: is there a vid of Chris Sharma on Just Do It? I'm sure I've heard of something but can't remember what it is. One of Mike Call's ones from that kinda time perhaps?
Title: Re: Historical Nuggets
Post by: Ru on January 14, 2024, 06:29:44 pm
And next up a question: is there a vid of Chris Sharma on Just Do It? I'm sure I've heard of something but can't remember what it is. One of Mike Call's ones from that kinda time perhaps?

Think it was on a DVD called Fast Twitch, which was by Mike Call, mid - 90s, '97? He takes his jumper off halfway up.

It's here, and says it's free to watch, but I've not watched it again to check if it does in fact have Just do It on:

https://www.mntnfilm.com/en/film/fast-twitch-1997 (https://www.mntnfilm.com/en/film/fast-twitch-1997)
Title: Re: Historical Nuggets
Post by: grimer on January 14, 2024, 06:36:48 pm
Yea I remember the jumper taking off scene.
Title: Re: Historical Nuggets
Post by: remus on January 14, 2024, 07:39:57 pm
Good knowledge, cheers both. It was the top off scene I was after :wub:

The link on there doesn't seem to be working for some reason, I'll see if I can hunt down a copy of the film somewhere.
Title: Re: Historical Nuggets
Post by: andy popp on January 14, 2024, 07:42:12 pm
To whet the whistle, Gordon Jenkin recently donated the diaries of Arnis Strapcans to the Mountain Heritage Trust (https://www.mountain-heritage.org/), and I was able to have a browse through them, scan a few pics and take a few notes. He was a prolific climber in the south west throughout the 1970s before he sadly died in the alps in 1980. If you've spent any time trad climbing down there you'll likely be familiar with some of his routes: Main Wall Eliminate at Avon, The Exorcist on Lundy, Heart of the Sun, Atmosfears etc.

Amazing stuff. I started climbing in 1978, in the Avon Gorge, where Arnis Strapcans' reputation loomed large. He has always been an almost legendary figure to me as a result.
Title: Re: Historical Nuggets
Post by: duncan on January 14, 2024, 10:02:33 pm

To whet the whistle, Gordon Jenkin recently donated the diaries of Arnis Strapcans to the Mountain Heritage Trust (https://www.mountain-heritage.org/), and I was able to have a browse through them, scan a few pics and take a few notes. He was a prolific climber in the south west throughout the 1970s before he sadly died in the alps in 1980. If you've spent any time trad climbing down there you'll likely be familiar with some of his routes: Main Wall Eliminate at Avon, The Exorcist on Lundy, Heart of the Sun, Atmosfears etc.

His diaries and first ascent write ups are amazingly well written and well worth a browse (click 'more' under pics and vids): https://climbing-history.org/climber/1808/arnis-strapcans

These are great. As Andy says, a legendary figure in Bristol climbing circles. I seconded Atmosfears in the 90s when I was going well: it was bold, a bit loose, steep for Avon, and would have been hard even with two rest points. I'd love to do Wall of Prey.
Title: Re: Historical Nuggets
Post by: Tony on January 14, 2024, 10:56:29 pm
Just to highlight that Arnis, alongside Mick Fowler, also contributed some impressive routes to the Outer Hebrides, e.g. Panting Dog Climb on the seldom visited but extremely impressive Creag Dubh Dibidale, https://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crags/tamnasbhal-10837/panting_dog_climb-139450
Title: Re: Historical Nuggets
Post by: andy popp on January 15, 2024, 05:17:47 am
I seconded Atmosfears in the 90s when I was going well: it was bold, a bit loose, steep for Avon, and would have been hard even with two rest points.

Out of interest, I took a look on UKC - Atmosfears has a total of nine ascents logged, not all of them leads.
Title: Re: Historical Nuggets
Post by: remus on January 15, 2024, 06:46:16 am
Just to highlight that Arnis, alongside Mick Fowler, also contributed some impressive routes to the Outer Hebrides, e.g. Panting Dog Climb on the seldom visited but extremely impressive Creag Dubh Dibidale, https://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crags/tamnasbhal-10837/panting_dog_climb-139450

Thanks Tony, I've made a note of this ascent on ch. Amazing breadth of climbing he did in the period he was active!
Title: Re: Historical Nuggets
Post by: Dingdong on January 15, 2024, 08:02:21 am
Good timing on this thread as this video just came out https://youtu.be/V8-nrzA_3KQ?si=Q3bZ9mq03R23cf_H
Title: Re: Historical Nuggets
Post by: Duma on January 22, 2024, 08:10:26 pm
https://www.instagram.com/p/C2aWynONt7z/?igsh=dnFhZ21oY3BtcWk5

Nice little nugget re the FA of Biceps Mou
Title: Re: Historical Nuggets
Post by: spidermonkey09 on January 22, 2024, 08:35:43 pm
Good timing on this thread as this video just came out https://youtu.be/V8-nrzA_3KQ?si=Q3bZ9mq03R23cf_H

Thats really good. Well done Stan!
Title: Re: Historical Nuggets
Post by: remus on January 22, 2024, 08:52:31 pm
https://www.instagram.com/p/C2aWynONt7z/?igsh=dnFhZ21oY3BtcWk5

Nice little nugget re the FA of Biceps Mou

Great Instagram account that, love the little stories and great they're putting the effort in to do French and English. Must be so much don't history that's french only.
Title: Re: Historical Nuggets
Post by: YorkshireTea on January 23, 2024, 12:02:48 am
Good timing on this thread as this video just came out https://youtu.be/V8-nrzA_3KQ?si=Q3bZ9mq03R23cf_H

Thats really good. Well done Stan!

Much appreciated! Not a super regular poster on here but definitely have my eye on this thread for some inspiration.
Any ideas throw em my way!
Title: Re: Historical Nuggets
Post by: slab_happy on January 23, 2024, 05:33:46 am
https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2024/jan/21/john-bulmer-cambridge-night-climbers
Title: Re: Historical Nuggets
Post by: remus on January 26, 2024, 04:09:58 pm
https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2024/jan/21/john-bulmer-cambridge-night-climbers

That was a nice read, thanks!
Title: Re: Historical Nuggets
Post by: remus on January 31, 2024, 02:34:43 pm
Bit of an open offer based on some conversations elsewhere, but if anyone has any digital material you think is of interest (pics of a cool FA, vids of interesting repeats, guidebook draft material etc.) I'd be happy to sort out some long term storage via climbing-history.org.

If you'd be happy making it public that'd obviously be cool, but if you just want somewhere safe for it and want to keep it private I'd be happy to help with that too.

Just drop me a DM.
Title: Re: Historical Nuggets
Post by: Stewart on January 31, 2024, 04:20:29 pm
As far as historical videos go, i always love this Dumby '99 vid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVpioikyPKM&t=72s
Title: Re: Historical Nuggets
Post by: remus on February 03, 2024, 02:05:28 pm
Enjoying this episode of The Enormocast https://open.spotify.com/episode/1rvb7V4CnHDiVKmaIK907F?si=21OrMonxRueHzU2810IkOg

The first part is an interview with David Smart, a climber and author who has written some (excellent) biographies, most recently of Royal Robbins.

The second part is an interview with Robbins, recorded in 2012.
Title: Re: Historical Nuggets
Post by: remus on February 22, 2024, 09:51:32 pm
Bit of a niche one, but don't suppose anyone has a copy of Pat Aments 2009 film 'The Disciples of Gill'?
Title: Re: Historical Nuggets
Post by: remus on February 23, 2024, 08:08:45 pm
Anyone know if Steve Dunning's dyno Super Furry Animal at Slipstones has had a repeat?
Title: Re: Historical Nuggets
Post by: remus on April 08, 2024, 04:03:32 pm
I thought I saw a reference somewhere to Burn Out (https://bleau.info/desert/24477.html?locale=en) at Apremont being the first 7B+ in the forest, did I imagine this or is it true?
Title: Re: Historical Nuggets
Post by: slab_happy on April 24, 2024, 02:20:10 pm
Bit of a niche one, but don't suppose anyone has a copy of Pat Aments 2009 film 'The Disciples of Gill'?

Yes, I do! Delayed reply because I had to locate it and retrieve it -- didn't want to make any promises until I knew I could actually lay hands on it. Do you want to borrow/copy it?
Title: Re: Historical Nuggets
Post by: jwi on April 24, 2024, 02:26:07 pm
I thought I saw a reference somewhere to Burn Out (https://bleau.info/desert/24477.html?locale=en) at Apremont being the first 7B+ in the forest, did I imagine this or is it true?

I quickly checked wikipedia ( https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Site_d%27escalade_de_Fontainebleau ) and I like that they only list the first for every full lettergrade (except Surplomb de la Mée), so no luck there!
Title: Re: Historical Nuggets
Post by: Tom de Gay on April 24, 2024, 05:30:14 pm
Surely not. Were Bleausards really climbing sit-starts on obscure boulders in obscure areas in the late 70s?

The plus grades were a later addition to the scale (not sure when, early 80s?), hence there being not very many 6C+, 6B+ etc. So I guess the first 7B+ would probably have been a 7B or C originally.

Edit: also, I don't think the first ascensionist was active until the late 80s
Title: Re: Historical Nuggets
Post by: Will Hunt on April 24, 2024, 05:58:28 pm
Surely not. Were Bleausards really climbing sit-starts on obscure boulders in obscure areas in the late 70s?

Of only tangential relevance, but people obsessing over weird bits of rock is older than you might think.
Gremlin's Wall, E4 6b, Ilkley Rocky Valley, unstarred. Climb Flake Climb but boldly venture up the wall (about 3m tall) right of the final flake. FA Roy Heilds 1953.
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A very significant lead by a local expert who spent the summer bivouacking in The Valley. Probably the hardest on gritstone anywhere at the time, it was dismissed by many who thought it impossible for the day and was omitted in the 1961 guidebook until its rediscovery by Al Manson in 1977.

Maybe Heilds was the Gaskins of his day? I've gone up to lead it and been pretty sure I'd do it but didn't think the risk of hitting my ankles on the ledge you climb above was worth the 0-star reward. Did it with a rope above after and it's very obvious what you have to do and not massively hard, so could be top end 6a/low end 6b. Regardless, very impressive for the early 1950s! It's really uninspiring but obviously Heilds could see that it would go and couldn't get the idea out of his head.
Title: Re: Historical Nuggets
Post by: mrjonathanr on April 24, 2024, 06:48:52 pm
Bit of an open offer based on some conversations elsewhere, but if anyone has any digital material you think is of interest (pics of a cool FA, vids of interesting repeats, guidebook draft material etc.) I'd be happy to sort out some long term storage via climbing-history.org.

If you'd be happy making it public that'd obviously be cool, but if you just want somewhere safe for it and want to keep it private I'd be happy to help with that too.

Just drop me a DM.

Sent you a link
Title: Re: Historical Nuggets
Post by: webbo on April 24, 2024, 07:19:54 pm
Surely not. Were Bleausards really climbing sit-starts on obscure boulders in obscure areas in the late 70s?

Of only tangential relevance, but people obsessing over weird bits of rock is older than you might think.
Gremlin's Wall, E4 6b, Ilkley Rocky Valley, unstarred. Climb Flake Climb but boldly venture up the wall (about 3m tall) right of the final flake. FA Roy Heilds 1953.
Quote
A very significant lead by a local expert who spent the summer bivouacking in The Valley. Probably the hardest on gritstone anywhere at the time, it was dismissed by many who thought it impossible for the day and was omitted in the 1961 guidebook until its rediscovery by Al Manson in 1977.

Maybe Heilds was the Gaskins of his day? I've gone up to lead it and been pretty sure I'd do it but didn't think the risk of hitting my ankles on the ledge you climb above was worth the 0-star reward. Did it with a rope above after and it's very obvious what you have to do and not massively hard, so could be top end 6a/low end 6b. Regardless, very impressive for the early 1950s! It's really uninspiring but obviously Heilds could see that it would go and couldn't get the idea out of his head.
I think this is pure bollocks given the guy was using aid on VS’s I spent time belaying Al Manson when he was trying this and it took him numerous sessions to do it. He was absolutely staggered when he heard the retro claim. If some one like Austin, Jimmy Fullalove or Eric Lilley had claimed it maybe but Ron Hields was a VS punter.
Title: Re: Historical Nuggets
Post by: AndyR on April 24, 2024, 07:58:53 pm

I think this is pure bollocks given the guy was using aid on VS’s I spent time belaying Al Manson when he was trying this and it took him numerous sessions to do it. He was absolutely staggered when he heard the retro claim. If some one like Austin, Jimmy Fullalove or Eric Lilley had claimed it maybe but Ron Hields was a VS punter.
This is the reason I still check UKb - best post in a decade!
Title: Re: Historical Nuggets
Post by: remus on April 25, 2024, 06:59:37 am
Bit of a niche one, but don't suppose anyone has a copy of Pat Aments 2009 film 'The Disciples of Gill'?

Yes, I do! Delayed reply because I had to locate it and retrieve it -- didn't want to make any promises until I knew I could actually lay hands on it. Do you want to borrow/copy it?

Ah that's amazing, thanks so much for digging it out! Yeah I'd love to borrow it if that's ok? I'll drop you a DM.
Title: Re: Historical Nuggets
Post by: SA Chris on April 25, 2024, 08:26:25 am
Anyone know if Steve Dunning's dyno Super Furry Animal at Slipstones has had a repeat?

Surprised at this if no-one?
Title: Re: Historical Nuggets
Post by: remus on May 09, 2024, 09:23:19 am
I was digging through some SMC journals (which are all freely available via the SMC website, what a resource!) and found a couple of great write ups about a couple of Julian Lines' harder things, in particular Icon of Lust (https://simrich.ams3.digitaloceanspaces.com/SMCJ/Number%20197%20-%20Vol%2039%20-%202006%20Reduced.pdf) and Margathea (https://simrich.ams3.digitaloceanspaces.com/SMCJ/Number%20208%20%E2%80%93%20Vol%2045%20-%202017%20website.pdf). Gripping bits of writing.
Title: Re: Historical Nuggets
Post by: SA Chris on May 09, 2024, 09:39:27 am
Read Tears of the Dawn if you haven't, great book.

He's done so much hard scary stuff, Remontado E6 6a onsight, solo (churn that, E Graders!) in Coire Sputan Dearg sounds especially horrifying from the description, and a long long way from any rescuers. And no mobile coverage in that part of Cairngorms back when it was done..
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