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Title: Optimum macros for climbing / cutting
Post by: douglas on May 03, 2016, 06:23:26 pm
What macronutrient split do you follow in preparation for going climbing?

I was thinking when I'm training I will follow something like a 50/30/20 carb/protein/fat split or maybe 40/35/25 if I'm gaining weight too fast. Then in preparation for climbing I'll start a cutting phase with more like a 20/50/30 split? Also, how long would you plan the cutting phase? - I just calculated if I want to go from 12% to 7% that's 5kg I need to lose and at 1 lb per week, that's 11 weeks - seems like a long time...?

Thank you for your advice
Title: Re: Optimum macros for climbing / cutting
Post by: Three Nine on May 03, 2016, 07:48:41 pm
I think you want this site:

www.bodybuilding.com
Title: Re: Optimum macros for climbing / cutting
Post by: TheTwig on May 06, 2016, 09:16:12 am
Borderline troll?  :lol:
Title: Re: Optimum macros for climbing / cutting
Post by: mark s on May 10, 2016, 11:48:16 am
What macronutrient split do you follow in preparation for going climbing?

I was thinking when I'm training I will follow something like a 50/30/20 carb/protein/fat split or maybe 40/35/25 if I'm gaining weight too fast. Then in preparation for climbing I'll start a cutting phase with more like a 20/50/30 split? Also, how long would you plan the cutting phase? - I just calculated if I want to go from 12% to 7% that's 5kg I need to lose and at 1 lb per week, that's 11 weeks - seems like a long time...?

Thank you for your advice

what are you doing,training for rio '16?
just go and climb and eat when hungry.
Title: Re: Optimum macros for climbing / cutting
Post by: Johnny Brown on May 10, 2016, 11:59:55 am
A 90mm macro was always my favourite for climbing, until I left it in Font.
Title: Re: Optimum macros for climbing / cutting
Post by: Lund on May 10, 2016, 12:03:56 pm
Mark S, can you change your profile picture thing please?  It's offensive.
Title: Re: Optimum macros for climbing / cutting
Post by: douglas on May 11, 2016, 08:12:37 am
Thank you for your help, all. But now I'm more confused than when I first asked!
Title: Re: Optimum macros for climbing / cutting
Post by: mark s on May 20, 2016, 06:14:22 pm
Mark S, can you change your profile picture thing please?  It's offensive.

nope,its not done to be offensive. unless you are a crossfit fan then i really do feel sorry for you
Title: Re: Optimum macros for climbing / cutting
Post by: cjsheps on May 20, 2016, 08:59:13 pm
Mark S, can you change your profile picture thing please?  It's offensive.

nope,its not done to be offensive. unless you are a crossfit fan then i really do feel sorry for you

I agree that it's not in good taste these days.
Title: Re: Optimum macros for climbing / cutting
Post by: Three Nine on May 20, 2016, 09:03:54 pm
If it were my profile pic i'd have been banned for it months ago.
Title: Re: Optimum macros for climbing / cutting
Post by: Fiend on May 21, 2016, 09:40:01 am
Chrissake get a grip you bunch of pc-obssessed SJWs. It's just a very standard, very old, internet meme.
Title: Re: Optimum macros for climbing / cutting
Post by: i_a_coops on May 21, 2016, 10:50:02 am
Seriously?

(http://b2.img.mobypicture.com/2a02425c55adcd58967a2ad6f28a5ff3_view.jpg)

That's 'just a very standard, very old internet meme' too - which doesn't mean it's not really offensive.
Title: Re: Optimum macros for climbing / cutting
Post by: Fiend on May 21, 2016, 12:15:12 pm
 :wank: :icon_321: :ras: :slap: :boohoo: ::)
Title: Re: Optimum macros for climbing / cutting
Post by: i_a_coops on May 21, 2016, 12:30:39 pm
 :strongbench:  ;D  :wall:  :fishing:  :boxing:
Title: Re: Optimum macros for climbing / cutting
Post by: Three Nine on May 21, 2016, 02:06:24 pm
As Ian says, the prevalence or antiquity of a practice is not much of justification for its perpetuation. Take slavery for example.
Title: Re: Optimum macros for climbing / cutting
Post by: Fiend on May 21, 2016, 02:10:46 pm
Oh do shut up you hypocritical piss-gargler  :alky:
Title: Re: Optimum macros for climbing / cutting
Post by: Three Nine on May 21, 2016, 02:12:36 pm
fuck you, faggot
Title: Re: Optimum macros for climbing / cutting
Post by: dave on May 21, 2016, 03:04:34 pm
If it were my profile pic i'd have been banned for it months ago.

Damn right, cos for you it wouldn't be a first offence.
Title: Re: Optimum macros for climbing / cutting
Post by: a dense loner on May 22, 2016, 10:21:08 am
Can the people who complained about mark's avatar be banned from the site? Jesus Christ

Tho the Catholic Church would probably complain about that one.
Title: Re: Optimum macros for climbing / cutting
Post by: i_a_coops on May 22, 2016, 04:32:25 pm
Can the people who complained about mark's avatar be banned from the site? Jesus Christ

Dude are you straight or something?  ;) Do you even crossfit?

[subtext: maybe try and imagine that people frequently said 'doing a Lee Anderson' to mean 'kneebarring the shit out of'. It's not that big a deal - I hang out with Three Nine FFS - but I do think using gay/fag/etc to mean something bad often shows a serious lack of thinking about your choice of words. If you've thought about it and decided that you're fine using 'faggot' like that then go for it. Punter away]
Title: Re: Optimum macros for climbing / cutting
Post by: a dense loner on May 22, 2016, 07:07:02 pm
I'm fine with it, so was my girlfriends gay friend who I showed marks avatar to this afternoon. Thought it was piss funny, not my words.
Title: Re: Optimum macros for climbing / cutting
Post by: Three Nine on May 22, 2016, 07:55:40 pm
A chance to post this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6wu81BEVBI
Title: Re: Optimum macros for climbing / cutting
Post by: Fiend on May 22, 2016, 08:19:40 pm
Coops for what it's worth your COD poster example is not comparable - THAT is directly and specifically insulting a gender of people, whilst in Mark's avatar the word faggot is NOT being directed at gay people, it's taken out of any sexuality-derogatising context and used as a general insult (it could have equally said "Crossfit bitches etc etc" which also wouldn't be directed towards nor insulting females). If your poster had been "COD Faggots - Get The Fuck Off My Server", then it would have been a proper comparison.

Also in 18 years of FPS gaming (and maybe a decade of hating COD) I've never seen that image.
Title: Re: Optimum macros for climbing / cutting
Post by: Three Nine on May 22, 2016, 08:36:47 pm
Ha good avatar  :lol:.

I was banned from this very forum for using 'gay' just to mean 'bad'/'naff'/'rubbish'. I wasn't talking about gay people. I don't see how that's different.
Title: Re: Optimum macros for climbing / cutting
Post by: Fiend on May 22, 2016, 09:03:51 pm
Well IMO that was a wrong banning - unless it was "LOL CAC is GAAAY" in which case it's the insultee not the insult that's the issue.

All the other times were justified I'm sure.
Title: Re: Optimum macros for climbing / cutting
Post by: Three Nine on May 22, 2016, 09:09:04 pm
huh how odd. I still think the CAC thing is pathetic, but i do try and avoid upsetting Ian too much by use of 'gay' as a synonym for 'shit' because he is a sensitive soul. This thread should prob be closed down now.
Title: Re: Optimum macros for climbing / cutting
Post by: Fiend on May 22, 2016, 09:13:18 pm
I think it's treated the original question with due concern and attention to detail...

Both of my CAC t-shirts are in the wash so I am posting naked, apart from compression stockings of course.
Title: Re: Optimum macros for climbing / cutting
Post by: Three Nine on May 22, 2016, 09:18:59 pm
ah man now i'm going to have nightmares/confused guilt-ridden wet dreams
Title: Re: Optimum macros for climbing / cutting
Post by: Oldmanmatt on May 22, 2016, 09:36:39 pm
I think it's treated the original question with due concern and attention to detail...

Both of my CAC t-shirts are in the wash so I am posting naked, apart from compression stockings of course.

What, no Girdle?


Ewww!
Title: Re: Optimum macros for climbing / cutting
Post by: i_a_coops on May 22, 2016, 10:57:09 pm
Coops for what it's worth your COD poster example is not comparable
I was just using it to make the point that 'the prevalence or antiquity of a practice is not much of justification for its perpetuation', as 3-9 so eloquently put it - not meaning to directly compare it.

Finding a gay person who is ok with it with it is also not an argument. I know a lot of people who would be really angry about it. That picture is unambiguously using the word 'faggots' to be equivalent to 'people to be looked down upon' - and that's not an association I personally would want to make.

If you don't think linguistic associations are important - look up both 'faggot' and 'n**ger', they are both primarily described as 'pejorative', which is kind of the point. Would you say one is more acceptable than the other? Why? Not that long ago 'n**ger' was used widely.

I'm actually interested in responses to this, rather than just trying to be supremely uncool.
Title: Re: Optimum macros for climbing / cutting
Post by: a dense loner on May 22, 2016, 11:09:37 pm
It wasn't an argument for it, more an observation of one persons opinion. Who happens to be gay. It appears you're obviously on some kind of moral crusade tho scoring points from the cheap seats, good stuff keep it up. As it were
Title: Re: Optimum macros for climbing / cutting
Post by: i_a_coops on May 22, 2016, 11:28:59 pm
Wow that was condescending!  :clap2:  :wall:
Title: Re: Optimum macros for climbing / cutting
Post by: a dense loner on May 23, 2016, 12:07:21 am
I know
Title: Re: Optimum macros for climbing / cutting
Post by: TheTwig on May 23, 2016, 01:13:52 am
Amazed that this even an issue...(thread split?). I have no idea how using a word like faggot is any more acceptable than all the other words that have been consigned to the dustbin.
Title: Re: Optimum macros for climbing / cutting
Post by: andy popp on May 23, 2016, 07:07:39 am
Amazed that this even an issue...(thread split?). I have no idea how using a word like faggot is any more acceptable than all the other words that have been consigned to the dustbin.

+1. Saying a word is no worse than "bitches" is hardly a winning argument.
Title: Re: Optimum macros for climbing / cutting
Post by: lagerstarfish on May 23, 2016, 07:26:46 am
I, for one, am looking forward to the tit for tat bad taste avatar war
Title: Re: Optimum macros for climbing / cutting
Post by: tomtom on May 23, 2016, 07:47:49 am
I, for one, am looking forward to the tit for tat bad taste avatar war


It's why James Cameron has taken so long to make the sequel.
Title: Re: Optimum macros for climbing / cutting
Post by: Oldmanmatt on May 23, 2016, 08:17:48 am
I, for one, am looking forward to the tit for tat bad taste avatar war


Says the fella who thrusts tasty French Patisseries into my diet saddened face, every time he posts...
Title: Re: Optimum macros for climbing / cutting
Post by: lagerstarfish on May 23, 2016, 09:23:37 am
for reference and historical context

http://ukbouldering.com/board/index.php?topic=8458.0
Title: Re: Optimum macros for climbing / cutting
Post by: Lund on May 23, 2016, 12:10:40 pm
I think many of you are guilty of thinking that just because you don't find something offensive, that it is not offensive.

Frequently on this forum, people (probably including me) are guilty of not seeing things from anyone else's perspective.  Does the fact that the prevailing wisdom allows the user base to have such avatars mean that the forum is not inclusive and open enough to the kind of people - who could otherwise contribute - who would be offended?  Of course it does.

I give you DFBWGC as another example.

In my opinion, Mark's avatar is offensive.  If he chooses not to change it - that in this case is his right.  Personally I think that the owners of the site would be wise to update their fair use guidelines to not allow it and ask Mark to change it.  I also happen to think that the avatar says plenty about it's owner.  In your case too Fiend.

 :shrug:
Title: Re: Optimum macros for climbing / cutting
Post by: Doylo on May 23, 2016, 12:18:55 pm
Bring back DFBWGC
Title: Re: Optimum macros for climbing / cutting
Post by: a dense loner on May 23, 2016, 12:26:13 pm
Do you think gay people don't use Ukb because they're offended by an avatar? Stop talking bollocks
Title: Re: Optimum macros for climbing / cutting
Post by: Fiend on May 23, 2016, 12:34:31 pm
 :agree: (with Doylo of course).

I think know cos it's bloody obvious that some of you are guilty of thinking that just because a sub-set of the population who haven't seen the issue and haven't piped up *may* get offended that you need to get morally outraged on their behalf and stand up for them with the added bonus of scoring PC brownie points. All we need now is andy_e's holier than thou attitude too.

And then the one person queried in that subset so far describes it as "piss funny". A bit like when I showed an actual female the anti-DFBQGC hysteria and she thought those who were offended by it were a bunch of dickheads.

Anyway Lund, what do you actually think my sadly-replaced under strict UKB MODERATION TEAM threat avatar says about me?? Rampantly homophobic? Denegrator of gay rights? Keen to use potentially offensive terms to gay people as much as possible?? Really? Anything else?

Also I presume that mark also can't "choose" whether to change it or not.
Title: Re: Optimum macros for climbing / cutting
Post by: Lund on May 23, 2016, 12:55:46 pm
Do you think gay people don't use Ukb because they're offended by an avatar? Stop talking bollocks

Don't be such a simpleton.

I know many people who don't use UKB because of it's culture - and permissiveness of the word "faggot" in an avator is simply a demonstration of that culture.
Title: Re: Optimum macros for climbing / cutting
Post by: Three Nine on May 23, 2016, 12:56:13 pm
Moderators - please can I have karma back so I can wad Fiend for his super avatars?
Title: Re: Optimum macros for climbing / cutting
Post by: Fiend on May 23, 2016, 01:10:13 pm
I know many people who don't use UKB because of it's culture - and permissiveness of the word "faggot" in an avator is simply a demonstration of that culture.

Interesting - the general culture thing not the word thing. Feel free to list (anonymously) the people you know who don't use it and what aspects of the culture they object to, e.g.

D.H. - refuses to visit since DFBWGC was ever allowed to exist.
M.C. - put off by too many Sheffield people.
J.T. - put off by too many smileys.
T.R. - tried to visit but prolonged vomitting fit in response to mark s's avatar.

etc etc. Genuinely interested in the problems with UKB culture. I've had a couple of people thinking it's "too cliquey" and I've assured them that it IS cliquey but it's generally a smart, well-informed, and welcoming clique, as long as you're psyched and contribute sensibly (with SOME EXCEPTIONS obviously) and/or entertainingly.

Edit: Shark is back, I'm doomed.
Title: Re: Optimum macros for climbing / cutting
Post by: galpinos on May 23, 2016, 04:22:33 pm
ale the anti-DFBQGC hysteria and she thought those who were offended by it were a bunch of dickheads.

Anyway Lund, what do you actually think my sadly-replaced under strict UKB MODERATION TEAM threat avatar says about me?? Rampantly homophobic? Denegrator of gay rights? Keen to use potentially offensive terms to gay people as much as possible?? Really? Anything else?

You can come across as a bit of a dick?
Title: Re: Optimum macros for climbing / cutting
Post by: Will Hunt on May 23, 2016, 04:35:02 pm
When Mark eventually changes his avatar to a picture of a bundle of firewood doing crossfit, none of this is going to make any sense at all.

P.S The thread needs splitting. I didn't pick up on it till now because I'd assumed it was a boring training thread.
Title: Re: Optimum macros for climbing / cutting
Post by: ducko on May 23, 2016, 04:37:29 pm
It's now very common to hear people say, 'I'm rather offended by that.' As if that gives them certain rights. It's actually nothing more... than a whine. 'I find that offensive.' It has no meaning; it has no purpose; it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. 'I am offended by that.' Well, so fucking what. - Stephen fry
Title: Re: Optimum macros for climbing / cutting
Post by: fried on May 23, 2016, 04:40:30 pm
Hasn't Mark S been using this avatar for about 10 years....?
Title: Re: Optimum macros for climbing / cutting
Post by: Will Hunt on May 23, 2016, 05:03:54 pm
This isn't the first time we've had this discussion:
http://ukbouldering.com/board/index.php/topic,26318.msg500054.html#msg500054
Title: Re: Optimum macros for climbing / cutting
Post by: monkoffunk on May 23, 2016, 05:18:32 pm
It's now very common to hear people say, 'I'm rather offended by that.' As if that gives them certain rights. It's actually nothing more... than a whine. 'I find that offensive.' It has no meaning; it has no purpose; it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. 'I am offended by that.' Well, so fucking what. - Stephen fry


What a lovely world we live in. I reckon I'll bring my kids up by that philosophy when I have them. Bet they will have happy and fulfilling lives.
Title: Re: Optimum macros for climbing / cutting
Post by: Three Nine on May 23, 2016, 05:43:31 pm
It's now very common to hear people say, 'I'm rather offended by that.' As if that gives them certain rights. It's actually nothing more... than a whine. 'I find that offensive.' It has no meaning; it has no purpose; it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. 'I am offended by that.' Well, so fucking what. - Stephen fry


What a lovely world we live in. I reckon I'll bring my kids up by that philosophy when I have them. Bet they will have happy and fulfilling lives.


Stephen Fry, as well as being a bellend and a faggott, is by all accounts a miserable bastard. I do rather admire him as a comic actor though.

Title: Re: Optimum macros for climbing / cutting
Post by: Three Nine on May 23, 2016, 05:52:34 pm
Personally I think there's a difference between genuinely upsetting someone when you don't really need to (sometimes you do), and fretting about whether you'll provoke a spot of sanctimonious indication through what you say.
Title: Re: Optimum macros for climbing / cutting
Post by: monkoffunk on May 23, 2016, 05:54:38 pm
Probably a reasonable summary.
Title: Re: Optimum macros for climbing / cutting
Post by: lagerstarfish on May 23, 2016, 05:56:52 pm
I am offended by Will Hunt's glans-mushroom shaped head

can I throw rocks at him?
Title: Re: Optimum macros for climbing / cutting
Post by: Fiend on May 23, 2016, 06:10:09 pm
You can come across as a bit of a dick?
(in the abscence of an actual reply from Lund....) No shit. Not a homophobic or sexist or racist or religionist dick though.

Title: Re: Optimum macros for climbing / cutting
Post by: shark on May 23, 2016, 06:24:31 pm
sanctimonious indication

Is that an optional extra on the Pope mobile ?
Title: Re: Optimum macros for climbing / cutting
Post by: Three Nine on May 23, 2016, 06:28:03 pm
ha indignation
Title: Re: Optimum macros for climbing / cutting
Post by: ducko on May 23, 2016, 06:53:39 pm
It's now very common to hear people say, 'I'm rather offended by that.' As if that gives them certain rights. It's actually nothing more... than a whine. 'I find that offensive.' It has no meaning; it has no purpose; it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. 'I am offended by that.' Well, so fucking what. - Stephen fry


What a lovely world we live in. I reckon I'll bring my kids up by that philosophy when I have them. Bet they will have happy and fulfilling lives.

Possibly, atleast that way they won't spend their lives being upset by remedial shit
Title: Re: Optimum macros for climbing / cutting
Post by: Oldmanmatt on May 23, 2016, 06:54:38 pm
ale the anti-DFBQGC hysteria and she thought those who were offended by it were a bunch of dickheads.

Anyway Lund, what do you actually think my sadly-replaced under strict UKB MODERATION TEAM threat avatar says about me?? Rampantly homophobic? Denegrator of gay rights? Keen to use potentially offensive terms to gay people as much as possible?? Really? Anything else?

You can come across as a bit of a dick?

Well, only really if you think that avatar is a selfy.


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Title: Re: Optimum macros for climbing / cutting
Post by: tomtom on May 23, 2016, 07:32:21 pm
sanctimonious indication

Is that an optional extra on the Pope mobile ?

The irony, coming from a BMW driver....
Title: Re: Optimum macros for climbing / cutting
Post by: Fiend on May 23, 2016, 07:47:10 pm
I know many people who don't use UKB because of it's culture - and permissiveness of the word "faggot" in an avator is simply a demonstration of that culture.

Interesting - the general culture thing not the word thing. Feel free to list (anonymously) the people you know who don't use it and what aspects of the culture they object to, e.g.

D.H. - refuses to visit since DFBWGC was ever allowed to exist.
M.C. - put off by too many Sheffield people.
J.T. - put off by too many smileys.
T.R. - tried to visit but prolonged vomitting fit in response to mark s's avatar.

In case this is a genuine issue, I've split it off here....

http://ukbouldering.com/board/index.php/topic,27098.0.html
Title: Re: Optimum macros for climbing / cutting
Post by: Sasquatch on May 25, 2016, 07:30:28 am
Bring back DFBWGC
agreed :)
Title: Re: Optimum macros for climbing / cutting
Post by: mark s on May 25, 2016, 07:48:14 am
Bring back DFBWGC
agreed :)

Oh no just imagine the offence that would be caused to the three over sensitive little boys who love to be offended.
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