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music, art and culture / Re: The right to counter-protest

« Last post by mrjonathanr on April 21, 2024, 11:42:41 am »

Also may be worth distinguishing between organised and sanctioned things like the Palestine protests etc. and the Just Stop Oil style gluing oneself to things?

Very definitely, good point.

There was an interesting article about XR giving up on civil disobedience style protests

Might be interesting to share this? Coincidentally, I have been listening to Spiral Tribe and reading a bit about the Free Party movement of the 90s recently. You can see links between current youth and climate protests through illegal rave culture back to the earlier 80s New Age Traveller movements.

Two key pieces of legislation in restricting right of assembly and protest are the Criminal_Justice_and_Public_Order_Act_1994

and recent Public Order Act
see also https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-9899/

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music, art and culture / Re: The right to counter-protest

« Last post by teestub on April 21, 2024, 10:50:17 am »

This might be an example. Jewish man threatened with arrest for breach of the peace for being ‘openly Jewish’ near pro Palestine protest march:

Yeah saw this, absolutely mad, I was wondering if this is what prompted the initial post, but not really a counter protest as such as noted?

Also may be worth distinguishing between organised and sanctioned things like the Palestine protests etc. and the Just Stop Oil style gluing oneself to things? There was an interesting article about XR giving up on civil disobedience style protests

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music, art and culture / Re: The right to counter-protest

« Last post by monkoffunk on April 21, 2024, 10:35:32 am »

Do you have actual examples you’re thinking of Stone? There seem to have been plenty of protests and counter protests over the past few years.

This might be an example.
https://news.sky.com/story/met-police-chief-mark-rowley-should-resign-says-antisemitism-campaigner-called-openly-jewish-by-officer-13119818

He wasn’t even counter protesting, he was just there. That was terrible and response so poorly thought through that it’s hard to give any ‘heat of the moment’ benefit of doubt.

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music, art and culture / Re: The right to counter-protest

« Last post by mrjonathanr on April 21, 2024, 10:32:05 am »

Do you have actual examples you’re thinking of Stone? There seem to have been plenty of protests and counter protests over the past few years.

This might be an example. Jewish man threatened with arrest for breach of the peace for being ‘openly Jewish’ near pro Palestine protest march:

https://news.sky.com/story/met-police-chief-mark-rowley-should-resign-says-antisemitism-campaigner-called-openly-jewish-by-officer-13119818

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music, art and culture / Re: The right to counter-protest

« Last post by mrjonathanr on April 21, 2024, 10:19:27 am »

A really interesting topic, Stone. Thanks for posting. There is a lot that could be considered here, but if I may, I will just pick up on one point you make.

I've never been involved in a street protest but I see them as a fairly crucial aspect of democracy.

My impression is that current UK policing is struggling with their endeavours to balance the right to protest and a desire to maintain harmony and order.

Do you think the government is endeavouring to balance -ie to respect- the right to protestt?


Climate protestors might think otherwise. For climbing onto a bridge: 3 years’ imprisonment.
/just-stop-oil-marcus-decker-morgan-trowland-jail-dartford-crossing

For holding a placard reiterating an existing right of juries: on trial at the High Court herself for contempt of court:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-68846780

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/13/how-will-recent-and-future-legislation-affect-the-right-to-protest-in-the-uk#:~:text=The%20Police%2C%20Crime%2C%20Sentencing%20and,may%20now%20be%20shut%20down.

UN High Commissioner for Human Rights expresses concern over UK legislation:
https://news.un.org/en/story/2023/04/1136107#:~:text=The%20Public%20Order%20Act%20introduces,particular%20people%2C%20or%20even%20to

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music, art and culture / Re: The right to counter-protest

« Last post by teestub on April 21, 2024, 10:16:28 am »

Do you have actual examples you’re thinking of Stone? There seem to have been plenty of protests and counter protests over the past few years.

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news / Re: significant repeats

« Last post by Fiend on April 21, 2024, 10:04:54 am »

Not bad for a veteran ledge-shuffler!!   

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music, art and culture / Re: The right to counter-protest

« Last post by stone on April 21, 2024, 09:57:26 am »

As with many things my views on counter protests and protests come down to what the protests are protesting about. I appreciate that from a legal and policy perspective that's basically useless though.

But isn't it crucial to have a system of democracy?

Even, if at a moment in time, we had a government with a viewpoint that perfectly aligned with your own, don't you see that as something precarious that requires democracy in order to keep things OK longer term?

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music, art and culture / Re: Anyone seen any good films lately - Part the second

« Last post by Wellsy on April 21, 2024, 09:46:43 am »

Anyone seen Monkey Man? I'm seeing it this week, looks pretty good imo

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music, art and culture / Re: The right to counter-protest

« Last post by Wellsy on April 21, 2024, 09:46:17 am »

As with many things my views on counter protests and protests come down to what the protests are protesting about. I appreciate that from a legal and policy perspective that's basically useless though.