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technical => music production => Topic started by: unclesomebody on October 23, 2007, 12:49:02 pm
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Just a little warning to those who had been using Oink's Pink Palace. Just seen a story on BBC news that the website has been shut down, and the guy running it has been busted. They've accosted all his computer stuff in the UK and also the server side which was in the Netherlands. Just in case you have any torrents still running I guess it would be a good idea to stop them running now.
Well, that's the end of the best torrent site around. Such a shame in my opinion... Time to move on...
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That is the worst news possible!! My life will never ever be the same.
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It's a fucking tragedy - nipped home and stopped my client as soon as I heard.
I just hope he manages to escape jail / crippling fines and can continue elsewhere.
I'd uploaded over 100GB to Oink :wall: :thumbsdown:
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I donated a tenner so I could see the top 10 stats and have more features. I can't see the authorities coming after 180,000 members though :S
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More on this story;
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2007/oct/24/piracy.crime
ps. I don't love the Guardian more than any other national paper.
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I always thought that the pre-release stuff would spell trouble eventually. When you can get hold of demos/finished albums weeks or even months ahead of their official release date, sooner or later somebody is going to spit a dummy and it's finally happened.
It's not nice to know that us ex-oinkers are all currently under investigation by interpol, but hopefully they are just after the people who fed the pre-releases to the scene rather than average users like moi.
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A spokesman for Cleveland Police, responsible the Middlesbrough inquiries, said: “It is too early to tell if we will go after individuals, it all depends on what we find.”
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Running that through the Mets' Bullshitulator: It's a Kiddieprune thang.
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They are not going to go after 180,000 people. They don't have the manpower. I would guess they will target the big uploaders, so if you were in the top 5% then you might have a bit of cause to worry. I'd only uploaded about 120Gb and my brother about 200Gb so I doubt we are anywhere near the top. To give you an idea of what the real uploaders were doing... a friend of mine had access to a private admin account for a while and there was many many terabyte uploaded on that account. I think those people will have something to worry about (maybe). This kind of thing is usually all smoke and no fire.
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DLing like that is some kind of extreme addiction; bizarre primitive behaviour where he (DLer) can't hope to hear all in his lifetime. Must. Have. It. All-itis.
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Can someone sort me out with a demonoid invite. You know I'm good for it... really.. I need it. PM me.
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why can't I delete my previous post? anyway, it's sorted.
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Can someone sort me out with a demonoid invite. You know I'm good for it... really.. I need it. PM me.
will sort you out. check your email
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maybe you didn't read the post directly above yours, but I had sorted one already. Now I have two accounts. Wonderful.
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I wonder if demonoid will take over as the music king now?
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is demonoid a good source for torrents? i've had difficulty finding decent sites.
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Yes, demonoid has a shit load on it, but not so hot for obscure music, which was Oink's forte.
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Interview by Zeropaid with Oink's (ex)admin (http://www.zeropaid.com/news/9074/OiNK+Admin%3A+%27The+Logs+We+Store+Aren%27t+Enough+to+Incriminate+Users%27)
Includes:
<Yawg> did you anticipate a raid in the past? Did you take any precautions regarding site design and logs and whatnot to protect the community?
<OiNK> the logs we store aren't enough to inciminate users
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And there is now an Oink Memorial Site (http://oinkmemorial.blogspot.com/) :)
(http://bp3.blogger.com/_w6BD02rLjME/Rx4tJ5z4o2I/AAAAAAAAACw/lJKvOOuximI/s1600/oinkus9.png)
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Interesting article regarding the current state of the music industry and comment on Oink's takedown. (http://www.demonbaby.com/blog/2007/10/when-pigs-fly-death-of-oink-birth-of.html)
It also looks like http://oink.cd has been returned to it's owner - the takedown message is gone.
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That's a good rant (as someone replied to the article).
Shame about OINK. But there will be other OINKS, other avenues. Sympathy for the record industry? None at all. Why? Read this (http://www.negativland.com/albini.html). (May have posted this before eons back, but still pertinent.)
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Yes there will be other Oinks....eventually. But the way that Oink was run ensured an extremely high standard of releases and i've never seen that anywhere else.
Oink itself may even come back - it was only a tracker, it didn't host any music itself.
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I hope a suitable replacement does come along. I don't really miss the days of queuing stuff up on soulseek but it looks like that is what I will be returning to.
What is everyone else using instead?
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Oink... ...was only a tracker, it didn't host any music itself.
So is this a case of shooting the postman?
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So is this a case of shooting the postman?
I think so, yes, but if the authorities have been investigating it for 2 years (as they have said) then you'd think they had something concrete to prosecute him with - i've no idea what though, i guess we'll have to wait for the trial which won't be until December at the earliest.
I believe that the senior tech person on the site is still in hiding, though the owner himself has been released.
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What is everyone else using instead?
Demonoid for general stuff (but not music), and I've signed up to stmusic.org which is looking quite promising.
Other existing sites which have had good things said about them are:
libble.com (full and now invite only)
funkytorrents.com (full and now invite only)
exigomusic.org (invite only)
revolutiontt.net (invite only)
btmusic.eu (invite or donation only)
filemp3.org (open but i can't get the confirmation email)
But all the hype at the moment seems to be pointing to 2 new offerings - waffles.fm which will open in the next couple of days, and what.cd which is in beta but has a lot of music on it already (apparantly, it's down right now).
I think waffles.fm is the one to go with until oinks legal battles are sorted out.
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edit - got into filemp3.org now and there's a lot of stuff there.
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If you can prove that you were an Oink member then waffles.fm may well sort you out with an invite near launch day - see http://www.waffles.fm/faq.php
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Interesting... is it OK to send a message containing a current fixed IP address do you think?
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I seriously doubt it
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Mmm, it seems so dunt it. Send us proof of your previous oink activity including emails or live urls to your machine. :goodidea:
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I seriously doubt it's a honey-pot - when you use bittorrent anyone can see your IP address and exactly what you're seeding/leeching. The feds have been watching Oink for 2 years so if they were going to go after you then they'd have more than enough to go on already :)
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S'pose so. Well we'll see. STMusic is open...
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Yeah, and ST seems quite good too...but from reading the Oink's memorial forums it seems most people are going to be heading to what.cd or waffles.fm, with funkytorrents being a popular choice too.
Anyway, all of us were small fry compared to the Oink heavyweights - there were people with many TB uploaded...
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Signing up for STMusic ends on the midnight on the 8th November. If you want to sign up go here (http://www.stmusic.org). Afterwards it'll be invite only.
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looks like demonoids gone down as well now
The CRIA threatened the company renting the servers to us, and because of this it is not possible to keep the site online. Sorry for the inconvenience and thanks for your understanding.
shite
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Anyone gained access to waffles.fm yet? I get the impression its mainly ex oinkers on there.
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I'm on stmusic / what.cd / waffles.fm and funkytorrents but i've not been there long enough to get invites. Trying to get my waffles ratio up to scratch.
When i get a load of invites i'll pass some on the the usual suspects :)
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Is waffles.fm noticeably better than ST Music?
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There is more torrents and more .flac.
About 35k torrents so far i think.
What is pretty good too. Funkytorrents not great really.
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urgh, this all totally sucks. Was bound to happen at some point though. Would massively appreciate a waffles or what invite when someone gets one spare. Totally missed all the registration periods...
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If/when i get invites i'll invite all the old "wasters" people - you know who you are :)
I've already invited the person who invited me to Oink so hopefully he'll get some spares too before very long.
Was bound to happen at some point though.
I agree, it was. But now Oink is dead (maybe not forever) 3 alternatives have sprung up in it's wake. The recording industry just don't get it - they can't stop this.
Even if they start to go after users (as has been threatened this week) then everyone will just use darknets and they will have lost all control over who is sharing what. They will lose, the writing's on the wall.
The music industry has changed forever. For me it's not even about getting stuff for free any more. I'd rather donate £10 to an artist that I love rather than buy the CDs in the shops and see them getting the 50p (or whatever other measly sum) that they typically get after the industry has taken it's cut.
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anyone using ftwr.in?
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It's not working for me atm - are you a member? is it any good?
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nah not a member but trying to find out how! take it you're not a member? follow the white rabbit.
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Nope, not a member...nor at Exigo which is another one of the "underground" sites. I'm not sure these really exclusive sites are ever going to have a big enough userbase to offer a wide range of music tbh.
I'll stick with stm/what/waffles for now - it's hard enough trying to keep a good ratio on 3 at once, let alone more.
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Pirate Bay scraps their plans for their Oink replacement "Boink" due to lack of point
http://torrentfreak.com/the-pirate-bay-cancels-oink-replacement-071124/
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Demonoid and albumbase.com have gone *pop* too...
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Demonoid was shit for music anyway, but i think they will be back once they've relocated servers.
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i repeat, urgh this all totally sucks
Can't even download stuff to find out whether i want to go to a couple of concerts and gigs in december, so i'm not going to any at the moment. So much for oink et al not helping the music industry.... OK, sure i downloaded stuff which I didn't pay for in the long run, albums, gigs or otherwise but I aint putting anything back in to the industry whatsoever at the moment. And its not even stuff that you can just buy one track off on itunes etc...
urgh. :-(
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Can't even download stuff to find out whether i want to go to a couple of concerts and gigs in december, so i'm not going to any at the moment.
Could always do it the old fashioned way and..........take a chance!
Could be :devangel: but I've discovered some great music live before I'd ever heard of them, let alone heard any of their music. If you can't get at the music and want some insight, what about reviews of previous gigs?
Besides, if it is shit, then so what? You're presumably out with friends who will make the evening enjoyable irrespective of the quality of the music. (or you could just neck some drugs and then you won't care what the music is like)
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since oink has gone i have gone back to soulseek, however i am having trouble staying connected , when peer guardian is on
wondered if anyone has any tips ?
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Soulseek's so unreliable anyway, the entire program is full of bugs. I'm on deepbassnine which is great for DnB but nothing else.
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I've found you can only run Soulseek without Peerguardian.
It's better to try and get entry to one of the good new "oink replacements" like stmusic/waffles/what
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Soulseek's so unreliable anyway, the entire program is full of bugs. I'm on deepbassnine which is great for DnB but nothing else.
yeah i agree , it used to be ok , dont know whats happened
I've found you can only run Soulseek without Peerguardian.
It's better to try and get entry to one of the good new "oink replacements" like stmusic/waffles/what
again i have found the problem with peer guardian, where this never used to be the case
any ideas on how / where to get an invite
also wondered if it is possible to set up a private ukbouldering p2p, althougfh i dont have the knowledge to do this , i have around 120gb of music to share
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...also wondered if it is possible to set up a private ukbouldering p2p, although I dont have the knowledge to do this, I have around 120gb of music to share.
Would this be a great idea? The rock (music) forum I use has a G-Mail account, but it could be done better.
(It's called the "Funky fresh beats etc.." music thread (you'd think that was a reasonable description of electronica) yet the more electronica is posted the more whines are heard, why so? Perhaps a separate share-zone? There's not exactly enough of it going on over UKB to justify the programming work, I'd guess. Personally I don't see the point on UKB - but it might stop people moaning about techno that no-one ever asked/forced them to hear anyway. It must be a Brit thing: to be British is to piss & moan 24/7...)
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We've actually already had a ukb p2p network in the past but it didn't work all that well really. Only a couple of us would share 24/7 and without everyone doing it there is little point.
Anyway the torrent trackers do it much better really.
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was about to post similar t'other day but had to rush off to the hospital.
Almost 99% of everything people want is already on the web somewhere. Just needs finding
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An interesting article regarding music industry leaks (http://nymag.com/news/features/42391/)
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An interesting article regarding music industry leaks (http://nymag.com/news/features/42391/)
An interesting read, and the fairly obvious logical conclusion (i.e. leaks are from within the industry somewhere).
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Admin of Oink is going to be in court soon (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/09/11/oink_charges/) hopefully the jury will have the concepts and technology behind torrents and their trackers fully explained to them.
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Good luck to the lad. If he's prosecuted of anything then it will be a travesty.
He charged no money and held no music on his server - exactly wtf did he do that was illegal again?
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I bet he got a speeding ticket once, and they'll lock him up for it for 10 years.
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Not worthy of a new thread but wondered if anyone is a member of torrenttech.org? Struggling to obtain an invite from hanging around in their IRC (as advised by mods). If anyone can pm me a link to any other decent electronic music torrent sites, I'd be glad to hear from you!
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Not worthy of a new thread but wondered if anyone is a member of torrenttech.org? Struggling to obtain an invite from hanging around in their IRC (as advised by mods). If anyone can pm me a link to any other decent electronic music torrent sites, I'd be glad to hear from you!
Somewhat mixed bag, but theres tons of good shit at The Mixing Bowl (http://www.themixinbowl.org/). May not be to your taste, and as with many others you're expected to maintain a decent ratio. Just checked though and there aren't currently any invites available to dish out as they've hit their self-imposed limit of 50,000 members, PM me your email address if you'd like an invite though and I'll try and get you one when they prune inactive user accounts.
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stmusic.org isn't bad but the best 2 private trackers are what.cd and waffles.fm.
hard to get an invite but worth persevering
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Bubba, I could cry.
I spent the last 3 hours revising encoding, transcoding, decoding, spectral displays, constant bitrates, variable bitrates etc.
all to no avail!
what.cd have a strict vetting process for invitees. I joined the relevant IRC channel and eventually got invited to sit the interview. I fumbled the 'enter' key and by mistake added a wrong option in answer to the question "Which formats are acceptable....".
> Lossless to lossless
>Lossless to lossy
>Lossy to lossy
>Lossy to Lossless.
I accidentally submitted lossy to lossy in my answer and all bar lossy to lossless (which I know is correct) .
I wasn't asked a second or third batch of questions and got booted off to "do my studies" and am only allowed back in 48hours for a second attempt. If you fail at interview on your third, you can't possibly get an invite through the IRC means.
One error, one shot kill! Be warned candidates!
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Wow, I didn't even know they had such an interview process! It's good in a way though as it keeps the quality of the place high.
I was lucky to get in on what.cd when it started and I also very luckily got an invite to waffles.fm from one of it's admins on the strength of me being an old Oink power user+. I don't really contribute to the communities on the sites but have a solid ratio on both. If you get completely stuck I might be able to help you out but only as a last resort as invites are also very limited.
Talking of Oink, his trial is up in 3 days - I wish the lad luck and if he gets convicted of anything it will be a fucking travesty as he never actually did anything illegal.
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I'll pm you now Bubba.
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The Oink trial gets put back again - this time to 12.12.08.
Surely the Cleveland Police must have some sort of a case by now? Or perhaps they just royally fucked up?
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Monolith : PM'd you about this.
Everyone : The Mixing Bowl (http://www.themixingbowl.org/) have re-vamped their site and sign-ups are currently open :thumbsup:
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The Oink trial gets put back again - this time to 12.12.08.
Surely the Cleveland Police must have some sort of a case by now? Or perhaps they just royally fucked up?
And it gets adjourned once more - 23th March 2009.
I've read on Slyck.com that he has actually now been charged with "conspiracy to defraud", presumably the recording industry or something. I'm not sure how this will work out?
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Hahaha - Cleveland Police you are fucking idiots (http://torrentfreak.com/oink-uploaders-sentenced-to-community-service-090123/) :)
Wonder what Alan Ellis will get now?
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Also just saw this regarding file-sharing in general - interesting development... (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7854494.stm)
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Also just saw this regarding file-sharing in general - interesting development... (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7854494.stm)
Yeah I saw that, good news.
If only David Lammy could have a quiet word in Jacquie Smiths ear about criminalising teenagers (and of course others) :whistle:
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Case against Alan Ellis adjourned again to the 15th May.
:-\ :yawn:
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Oink founder had ~£20,000 (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/tees/8457260.stm) (if news reports of court proceedings are reliable).
Doesn't look promising.
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But they were donations, not earnings.
They should just give it a rest, Oink never charged a penny and now What/Waffles have taken it's place anyway.
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For anyone who is interested, he got away with it. :thumbsup:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/oink-creator-cleared-of-conspiracy-to-defraud-1869191.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/oink-creator-cleared-of-conspiracy-to-defraud-1869191.html)
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Good news. The difference a jury makes.
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That is such good news - if he had been convicted it would have been a travesty.
I suspect there are many red faces amongst the Cleveland Police and the BPI tonight :lol:
A good day for all private BT trackers!
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:thumbsup: Sense prevails (for once!)