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Title: Big News
Post by: JamieG on September 20, 2023, 02:54:06 pm
remus announced:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jBavqTama8&t=1932s

Haha beat me too it. What happened higher up? Did a hold break or something? He threw something to the ground I think.
Title: Re: Re: Significant First Ascents
Post by: JamieG on September 20, 2023, 02:58:07 pm
Haha beat me too it. What happened higher up? Did a hold break or something? He threw something to the ground I think.

To answer my own question. He said a jug broke higher up and he almost fell off.  :lol:  That would have been totally devastating.
Title: Re: Re: Significant First Ascents
Post by: spidermonkey09 on September 20, 2023, 03:03:17 pm
If you watch the stream back you can see the hold break. It looks like it jams in place long enough for him to grab something with the other hand and then he chucks it off. Bit of luck!
Title: Re: Re: Significant First Ascents
Post by: jakaitch on September 20, 2023, 03:05:49 pm
Think we should also take a moment to appreciate how odd it is that a FA of one of the hardest routes in the world was live streamed... Wasnt on my 2023 bingo card
Title: Re: Re: Significant First Ascents
Post by: jakaitch on September 20, 2023, 03:08:46 pm
Also, he looked so cruisy through (what I assume to be) the crux compared to previous attempts!
Title: Re: Re: Significant First Ascents
Post by: Duncan campbell on September 20, 2023, 03:21:49 pm
Feels like this went down relatively quickly for a 9c? Tbh even for a 9b+! The level is high!

Be great to see Ondra back on this as well! 
Title: Re: Re: Significant First Ascents
Post by: JamieG on September 20, 2023, 03:47:41 pm
If you watch the stream back you can see the hold break. It looks like it jams in place long enough for him to grab something with the other hand and then he chucks it off. Bit of luck!

Around 28:15 in live stream. So lucky!
Title: Re: Re: Significant First Ascents
Post by: Bradders on September 20, 2023, 04:40:14 pm
If you watch the stream back you can see the hold break. It looks like it jams in place long enough for him to grab something with the other hand and then he chucks it off. Bit of luck!

Around 28:15 in live stream. So lucky!

Looks like it was basically the edge of a jug rather than the whole thing, hence why he stayed on. Very lucky.
Title: Re: Re: Significant First Ascents
Post by: spidermonkey09 on September 20, 2023, 04:57:20 pm
He doesn't put his hand back in the same place which is interesting; definitely uses a slightly lower hold instead of where the bit came off.
Title: Re: Re: Significant First Ascents
Post by: T_B on September 20, 2023, 05:16:11 pm
The top section after the final crux looks like a Pabbay E6. It’s basically a trad route with 9c start.
Title: Re: Re: Significant First Ascents
Post by: Sasquatch on September 20, 2023, 05:22:44 pm
Feels like this went down relatively quickly for a 9c? Tbh even for a 9b+! The level is high!

Be great to see Ondra back on this as well!
He did say it was his longest project to date and took 2 months over 2 years...
Title: Re: Re: Significant First Ascents
Post by: Will Hunt on September 20, 2023, 05:36:17 pm
The live stream makes Ondras media team look Neolithic. Two or three camera angles including abseil and drone and presumably somebody somewhere watching the feed saying "camera 2 in 3, 2, 1, camera 2". Impressive.
Title: Re: Re: Significant First Ascents
Post by: IanP on September 20, 2023, 06:04:18 pm
The top section after the final crux looks like a Pabbay E6. It’s basically a trad route with 9c start.

"From this pretty good hold, it should be over; still 15 or 20 metres of climbing but only around F8a."

Those E6s at Pabby sound tough  :)
Title: Re: Re: Significant First Ascents
Post by: IanP on September 20, 2023, 06:09:21 pm
Feels like this went down relatively quickly for a 9c? Tbh even for a 9b+! The level is high!

Be great to see Ondra back on this as well!
He did say it was his longest project to date and took 2 months over 2 years...

And working it alongside Ondra (and Bouin) for quite a lot of the time which must help in term of working out and refining the best beta.
Title: Re: Re: Significant First Ascents
Post by: Duncan campbell on September 20, 2023, 06:10:59 pm
Feels like this went down relatively quickly for a 9c? Tbh even for a 9b+! The level is high!

Be great to see Ondra back on this as well!
He did say it was his longest project to date and took 2 months over 2 years...

Ha I see! I’ve not watched the successful ascent and was mainly going off the videos from last year, but obviously have got the wrong impression… though would be interested to know how many sessions he has had on the route…
Title: Re: Re: Significant First Ascents
Post by: thunderbeest on September 20, 2023, 07:18:17 pm
The top section after the final crux looks like a Pabbay E6. It’s basically a trad route with 9c start.
I think most routes in Flatanger could be climbed on trad. But I wouldn't wanna project a 80m overhanging trad route, sounds like a pain to clean after each attempt.
Title: Re: Re: Significant First Ascents
Post by: Fiend on September 20, 2023, 07:58:16 pm
Jakob has just done the fa of Project Big in flatanger. 9b+ or 9c.

https://www.youtube.com/live/1jBavqTama8?si=sk6aoCC_Ci5tGjy_
Well that was jolly good fun! Fair play to him, great effort doing it, and presenting it to us audience in such a direct way. Good report at the end including the hold break too.
Title: Re: Re: Significant First Ascents
Post by: lukeyboy on September 20, 2023, 08:17:23 pm
This is the ultimate in terms of confirmation of a route being climbed - gone are the days of trying to find out who his belayer/spotter was 😂

(just to be clear, not raising any doubts about JS etc)
Title: Re: Re: Significant First Ascents
Post by: jwi on September 20, 2023, 09:09:33 pm
Great! I cannot be the only one who wish for a better name for the route than Project Big.
Title: Re: Re: Significant First Ascents
Post by: remus on September 20, 2023, 09:11:41 pm
Great! I cannot be the only one who wish for a better name for the route than Project Big.

Flatanger 7b perhaps?
Title: Re: Re: Significant First Ascents
Post by: jwi on September 20, 2023, 09:17:17 pm
Great! I cannot be the only one who wish for a better name for the route than Project Big.

Flatanger 7b perhaps?
😂
Title: Re: Re: Significant First Ascents
Post by: Dingdong on September 21, 2023, 07:14:42 am
Imagine putting that much time and effort into something choss… a man after my own heart
Title: Re: Re: Significant First Ascents
Post by: jakaitch on September 21, 2023, 08:31:26 am
The top section after the final crux looks like a Pabbay E6. It’s basically a trad route with 9c start.
I think most routes in Flatanger could be climbed on trad. But I wouldn't wanna project a 80m overhanging trad route, sounds like a pain to clean after each attempt.

You heard it here first - Connor Herson Silence on gear
Title: Re: Re: Significant First Ascents
Post by: SA Chris on September 21, 2023, 08:36:37 am
Good report at the end including the hold break too.

I reckon that was staged, it was a stunt hold made of ricecakes which he snapped to add drama to the live feed ;).

Jokes aside, good effort. Lets see who's first to repeat..
Title: Re: Re: Significant First Ascents
Post by: JamieG on September 21, 2023, 10:41:04 am
Great! I cannot be the only one who wish for a better name for the route than Project Big.

Do you think he will follow Ondra's single word style (Change, Move, Silence etc) and just call it Big? Or maybe Groß? I hope not.
Title: Re: Re: Significant First Ascents
Post by: 36chambers on September 21, 2023, 11:16:24 am
I'm praying he goes for Too Hard For Adam Ondra
Title: Re: Re: Significant First Ascents
Post by: jwi on September 21, 2023, 12:03:49 pm
It's an 'extension' of 'Kakestykket' (Piece of cake). So "Piece of cake extension" if he's shopping around for really crappy names.

Otherwise I think that the equipper should name the route. They are the first ascensionists after all, even if they don't do it in free.
Title: Re: Re: Significant First Ascents
Post by: stone on September 21, 2023, 12:44:50 pm
Otherwise I think that the equipper should name the route. They are the first ascensionists after all, even if they don't do it in free.

A French friend was baffled by how in the UK we don't have that naming prerogative for the equipper but do consider the equipper has "closed project" rights (which apparently isn't the case in France). I wonder whether the French way is better than ours and (say) a couple of years ought to be viewed as an absolute max for closed project status with naming as a consolation prize.
Title: Re: Re: Significant First Ascents
Post by: Dexter on September 21, 2023, 01:14:58 pm
Personally I'd go with "Too much cake for Ondra"
Title: Re: Re: Significant First Ascents
Post by: SA Chris on September 21, 2023, 01:54:16 pm
Cakewalk. He made it look easy.
Title: Re: Re: Significant First Ascents
Post by: Paul B on September 21, 2023, 02:25:33 pm
Otherwise I think that the equipper should name the route. They are the first ascensionists after all, even if they don't do it in free.

A French friend was baffled by how in the UK we don't have that naming prerogative for the equipper but do consider the equipper has "closed project" rights (which apparently isn't the case in France). I wonder whether the French way is better than ours and (say) a couple of years ought to be viewed as an absolute max for closed project status with naming as a consolation prize.

Isn't there a big difference between how French/British routes are equipped and ultimately who pays for that?
Title: Re: Re: Significant First Ascents
Post by: jwi on September 21, 2023, 07:43:29 pm

Isn't there a big difference between how French/British routes are equipped and ultimately who pays for that?

In France, the equipment is often payed for by the equipper or a local club or usually a combination of the two. They then try to recover the cost by making low-cost topos sold at relative high mark-up.
Title: Re: Re: Significant First Ascents
Post by: Fiend on September 21, 2023, 07:54:38 pm
Great! I cannot be the only one who wish for a better name for the route than Project Big.
Is that what it's settled as? Hmm. It would be nice to have a nod to Adam's vision and efforts there. Something like "Cacaphony" or "White Noise" or "Whispers"??
Title: Re: Re: Significant First Ascents
Post by: Wellsy on September 21, 2023, 07:57:00 pm
Doesn't make sense to call it Project Big cos its not a chuffin Project now is it, he did it
Title: Re: Re: Significant First Ascents
Post by: thunderbeest on September 21, 2023, 07:57:54 pm
'Kakestykket' (Piece of cake).
I heard the meaning was more "piece of the cake" as it was the first line they did and saw that there was a lot more cake. I also don't think "piece of cake" is actually and expression in Scandinavian?
The FA was in fact done on gear.
Title: Re: Re: Significant First Ascents
Post by: Bradders on September 21, 2023, 08:04:07 pm
Great! I cannot be the only one who wish for a better name for the route than Project Big.
Is that what it's settled as? Hmm. It would be nice to have a nod to Adam's vision and efforts there. Something like "Cacaphony" or "White Noise" or "Whispers"??

No he's said he's going to give it a different name.
Title: Re: Re: Significant First Ascents
Post by: jwi on September 22, 2023, 11:10:00 am
I also don't think "piece of cake" is actually and expression in Scandinavian?

In the 90s in northern Sweden we most definitely used 'kakbit' as an ironic calque of 'piece of cake' instead of the established Swedish loan translation 'munsbit' (from French amuse-bouche). How they spoke in Trondelag at that time, I would not know.
Title: Re: Big News
Post by: remus on September 27, 2023, 07:55:12 pm
B.I.G 9c

https://www.instagram.com/p/CxtCl5Lo58g/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
Title: Re: Re: Significant First Ascents
Post by: JamieG on September 27, 2023, 09:33:12 pm
Great! I cannot be the only one who wish for a better name for the route than Project Big.

Do you think he will follow Ondra's single word style (Change, Move, Silence etc) and just call it Big? Or maybe Groß? I hope not.

Called it!
Title: Re: Big News
Post by: SA Chris on September 27, 2023, 10:07:45 pm
B.I.G 9c

After the K-Pop Band presumably  Boys In Groove - B.I.G https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B.I.G_(band)
Title: Re: Big News
Post by: knollchri on September 28, 2023, 06:45:48 am
Given Jakob's liking of good old hip-hop, I'd rather assume it to be a nod to The Notorious B.I.G. -- but who knows.
Title: Re: Big News
Post by: SA Chris on September 28, 2023, 08:04:47 am
I'd like to hope so.
Title: Re: Big News
Post by: Fiend on September 28, 2023, 09:34:08 am
 :agree: It's an acceptable name. And okay grade.

Also mods please rename thread to to B.I.G. News  ;D
Title: Re: Big News
Post by: mrjonathanr on September 28, 2023, 10:23:52 am
B.I.G 9c

https://www.instagram.com/p/CxtCl5Lo58g/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

That’s some command of English for a German speaker.
Title: Re: Big News
Post by: T_B on September 28, 2023, 01:35:31 pm
Have you ever read any of Niky Ceria’s IG posts? His written English is outstandingly good.
Title: Re: Big News
Post by: Johnny Brown on September 28, 2023, 02:18:41 pm
It would be nice to have a nod to Adam's vision and efforts there. Something like "Cacaphony" ??

If that's not a typo it's a great name but hardly a nod of respect!
Title: Re: Big News
Post by: Fiend on September 28, 2023, 05:53:59 pm
Sorry JB it's a misspelling because I am a moron, in my defence I think it was lockdown that turned me dyslexic as a trauma response (better than believing in 5g-activated-gender-eradicating-chemtrails as a trauma response at least).
Title: Re: Big News
Post by: andy popp on September 28, 2023, 08:35:53 pm
Ondra's written a good post about the grade (can also write well in English):

https://www.instagram.com/p/Cxvax5ft-F7/
Title: Re: Big News
Post by: SA Chris on September 28, 2023, 10:08:55 pm
Compared to some of the post "send" claptrap posted by some native English speakers, they all write pretty well.
Title: Re: Big News
Post by: steveri on September 29, 2023, 09:51:43 am
Megos makes some pretty good English gags in the Jam Crack I listened to. Humourless Teutons.
Title: Re: Big News
Post by: Wellsy on September 29, 2023, 10:00:17 am
I find Megos' vids to be very entertaining, largely due to the understated, slightly odd but genuinely very funny humour in them

The very slow one armer with a completely straight face, eyes staring blankly into the camera, in complete silence, just totally cracked me up
Title: Re: Big News
Post by: 36chambers on September 29, 2023, 11:57:50 am
Ondra's written a good post about the grade (can also write well in English):

https://www.instagram.com/p/Cxvax5ft-F7/

"All things considered, I support Jakob's 9c proposition. The only other possible solution is a slash grade."

I can't help but think the entire post was to just to let everyone know that Silence is harder :lol:
Title: Re: Big News
Post by: Muenchener on September 29, 2023, 02:30:12 pm
Compared to some of the post "send" claptrap posted by some native English speakers, they all write pretty well.

But try convincing any of them that the b in climbing is silent, no matter how good their English is otherwise.
Title: Re: Big News
Post by: SA Chris on September 29, 2023, 02:44:29 pm
Given my command of any foreign languages (even my Afrikaans is getting rusty through lack of use) I'll not criticise anyone!
Title: Re: Big News
Post by: jwi on September 29, 2023, 05:41:30 pm
Compared to some of the post "send" claptrap posted by some native English speakers, they all write pretty well.

But try convincing any of them that the b in climbing is silent, no matter how good their English is otherwise.


(https://img.ifunny.co/images/7f6d72b3712d54c2ff0a234f2d49cfd22aba77e42dd5a78233883be3857703a9_1.webp)

(Unfair, buy funny. Unfair because english spelling is ... a lot more irregular than French.)

For most impressive command of a foreign language, all categories, I nominate Amin Maalouf who despite speaking Arab as his native language yesterday got elected to the be the perpetual secretary of the Académie française — the governmental institution charged with defining the French language.
Title: Re: Big News
Post by: SA Chris on October 01, 2023, 10:58:56 am
French - "every living thing is born without reason" - and every single thing, living or otherwise, has a gender, and there are no rules as to what gender it is you just have to know.
Title: Re: Big News
Post by: jwi on October 01, 2023, 11:47:50 am
Quite. That the gender of a noun conveys absolutely no semantic information seems hard to wrap the head around for speakers of languages with ungendered nouns (Afrikaans as well I guess?). The good news is that if you learn the genders of French nouns you can guess the genders of Spanish nouns with near 95 % accuracy (exceptions like la tomate <> el tomate are quite rare). Swedish has four genders, but two of them are for things with biological genders and the other two convey no inherent meaning and are not completely stable across all dialects . Norwegian and Danish only have three, poor people.
Title: Re: Big News
Post by: mrjonathanr on October 01, 2023, 12:14:49 pm
French - "every living thing is born without reason" - and every single thing, living or otherwise, has a gender, and there are no rules as to what gender it is you just have to know.

Well, there are patterns which help. Recognise the suffixes -sse and -ion for example, and you have yourself a feminine noun. French, Spanish (and the other Romance languages) are a corrupted C21st form of Latin. And Latin feminine noun = French/Spanish feminine too. *

* as jwi says, there are always oddities eg la mer/ el mar
Title: Re: Big News
Post by: jakk on October 01, 2023, 08:46:16 pm
Norwegian and Danish only have three, poor people.

Luckily, some Norwegian dialects simplify by just ignoring the feminine gender other than in the cases of specifically gendered nouns (eg woman, girl, etc), effectively turning it into normal vs neutral, which is much easier!
Title: Re: Big News
Post by: SA Chris on October 01, 2023, 09:44:56 pm
Useful knowledge thanks guys, but unless I immerse myself in it I doubt my French is ever going to progress much.
Title: Re: Big News
Post by: mrjonathanr on October 01, 2023, 11:01:26 pm
This should help get you started:
 https://youtu.be/X5hrUGFhsXo?t=1 (https://youtu.be/X5hrUGFhsXo?t=1)
Title: Re: Big News
Post by: jwi on October 02, 2023, 03:43:42 pm
Useful knowledge thanks guys, but unless I immerse myself in it I doubt my French is ever going to progress much.

Hang in there, after all the only way to find out which restaurants are good in an arbitrary location is to buy the francophone guidebook for the area (sometimes googling "meuilleurs addresses en XYZ" also work).

Apparently there's no other language in which this information can be reliably conveyed.
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