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Title: IFSC 2021
Post by: jwi on April 16, 2021, 01:12:25 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SA2K2o2kCCQ

Semis and finals in Meiringen tomorrow in the first real international competition in over a year. The men's qualifier has just taken place and the women's is on its way. The qualifiers are streamed from a mounted cell phone showing all ten boulders at the same time, with bilingual german & french commentary (apparently the organisers are not allowed to stream in English as per the contract with IFSC)

Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: J_duds on April 16, 2021, 02:39:59 pm
Thanks.

I watched about 30 seconds of the mens qualification round, and just couldn't get it into it because of the wide filming angle covering all boulders. Seems such a shame.

Makes me realise how good the filming and live streaming of climbing comps as come on recently, until this one.

The early rounds are shown here: https://youtu.be/N7hBefNC5lg
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Duma on April 16, 2021, 06:16:17 pm
Well, Domen's new home wall seems to have done the trick...

Jakob not making semis biggest shock? Nothing really a shock after a year in limbo for everyone I guess.
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: GraemeA on April 16, 2021, 07:29:35 pm
Jakob not making semis biggest shock? Nothing really a shock after a year in limbo for everyone I guess.

There's been a fair few comps in AUT so Jakob shouldn't be rusty.
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Duma on April 16, 2021, 08:46:45 pm
Well yeah, he was someone I kind of thought would hit the ground running.
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: jwi on April 16, 2021, 09:07:15 pm
I think it just goes to show how strong the competition is nowadays. Apart from Tomoa Narasaki and maybe Adam Ondra, no one is guaranteed a place in the semis.
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Duma on April 17, 2021, 09:22:42 am
Link for semis at 10

https://youtu.be/SA2K2o2kCCQ
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: arast on April 17, 2021, 11:34:43 am
Terrible commentary as per usual
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Duma on April 17, 2021, 12:26:48 pm
Really good semis I thought.
Shame to see Jernej out on attempts, especially when he flashed a boulder and Kokoro didn't.
Good to see Adam looking strong.
Janja still different class.
Akiyo still defying time.
Oriane still looks like the next big thing.
I guess they have to set something like W3 for Janja to show how much better she is, but it's wasted really, one zone from the rest of the field - everyone else is being split on 3 boulders.
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: J_duds on April 17, 2021, 12:36:39 pm
Enjoyable watching, whilst doing elbow rehab. Good to see a crack problem, but less balancey slabs please!

I thought the commentary was acceptable overall, I liked the different co commentators (not terrible and not amazing).

Makes me want to go climb! Bring on the final.
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: ali k on April 17, 2021, 01:12:16 pm
When is the final? And is there a link? Sorry to be lazy!
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Duma on April 17, 2021, 01:19:24 pm
7pm

https://youtu.be/sO7KPBUeDWY
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: ali k on April 17, 2021, 01:23:24 pm
Brilliant thanks Duma.
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: sherlock on April 17, 2021, 04:27:35 pm
Seems to be 17:40 T
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: sherlock on April 17, 2021, 04:31:03 pm
Should have read 17:40 GMT.
Bloody eyesight.
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: erm, sam on April 17, 2021, 05:29:31 pm
In his comentary Jacob said he missed semis by one attempt.
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: erm, sam on April 17, 2021, 05:30:55 pm
and for what its worth, I thought the commentary on the semis was fine/good.
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Duma on April 17, 2021, 05:35:55 pm
In his comentary Jacob said he missed semis by one attempt.
Yes, and?
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Duma on April 17, 2021, 05:38:13 pm
Should have read 17:40 GMT.
Bloody eyesight.

YouTube says live stream starting in 2 mins, but they def said 7pm on commentary, maybe that was CET?
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: erm, sam on April 17, 2021, 05:38:49 pm

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Yes, and?
Nothing really. Up above somebody was saying they were surprised he had not done better and there was a little discussion about wether he would have hit the ground running better. Turns out he only missed semis by 1 attempt thus attempts to read too much into his no progression are somewhat not needed as he was superclose to getting to semis thus not climbing that shit really..
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Duma on April 17, 2021, 05:43:52 pm
Just checked and it's def 7pm CET so 6pm BST - sorry if anyone misses the start!
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Duma on April 17, 2021, 05:51:00 pm

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Yes, and?
Nothing really. Up above somebody was saying they were surprised he had not done better and there was a little discussion about wether he would have hit the ground running better. Turns out he only missed semis by 1 attempt thus attempts to read too much into his no progression are somewhat not needed as he was superclose to getting to semis thus not climbing that shit really..
Yeah that was me. I'd say for someone of Jakob's level not making semis by any margin is underperforming, though as I mentioned, with covid there's a big wild card.
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Duma on April 17, 2021, 06:11:16 pm
Terrible commentary as per usual
Quote
I thought the commentary was acceptable overall, I liked the different co commentators (not terrible and not amazing).
and for what its worth, I thought the commentary on the semis was fine/good.

Glad we've got Stasa as Co commentator, she's always been my favourite for that
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Bradders on April 17, 2021, 07:01:41 pm
Thought Jakob was quite good for the semis. Offered some nice little insights at times.
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Duma on April 17, 2021, 07:50:40 pm
Spoiler...
NSFW  :
Fuck yeah! If Adam doesn't win the Olympics it will be a fucking travesty.
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: moose on April 17, 2021, 08:04:02 pm
Spoiler

NSFW  :
I've only ever watched 3-4 indoor competitions before, so this is will either be a very clichéd view or just plain wrong, but half-way through that I was thinking "Ondra looks a bit clunky and uncoordinated compared to the Japanese climbers".  I almost felt a little embarrassed for him, trying to adapt his rock skills to plastic; it was like watching an Ent attempting to breakdance......and. then. he. won!
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Duma on April 17, 2021, 08:05:26 pm
Thought Jakob was quite good for the semis. Offered some nice little insights at times.
Yeah he was OK, though the nonsense he spouted about the jam did annoy me. Seemed not to notice how a couple of his teammates were doing either which was odd.
Stasa though is different class. IFSC should get an option on her commentary for the Olympics
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Duma on April 17, 2021, 08:43:15 pm
NSFW  :
Oriane on W2!
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: abarro81 on April 17, 2021, 08:57:10 pm
Just started watching... Start of M1 is terrible setting. Any time dabbing is an issue that's a real fuck up IMO.
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Duma on April 17, 2021, 10:21:46 pm
I thought that at first, but no one else had any issue with it so think it was just bad beta that brought the dab into play
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: NoonThunder on April 17, 2021, 10:47:18 pm
Well that was dull.

Crap setting for the men and of course Janja won! She really is something else.

Interesting to see so many pretty gnarly falls.
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Fiend on April 23, 2021, 09:03:19 am
Well that was cool!

Mostly good varied setting all round (even the jumps turned out to be kinda fun once they got done), and it was cool to see some unknown women pull something spectacular out of the bag!

Also...

Stasa though is different class. IFSC should get an option on her commentary for the Olympics
:agree: best co-commentator I can recall them having. For a young-ish lass in her second language, she was excellent. Very quick responses, always had something to say without hesitation nor blethering, lots of great insights both personal and technical, and overall eloquence - talking about Akiyo (?) "snookering herself" on W3 was a gem. Although I'd probably still prefer to see her on the mats...

Moose - you're absolutely right. Sometimes his outdoor nouse and tactics do work against him when he focuses on trying to work out a refined and optimum method instead of just getting the fuck on with whatever bollox the setters have contrived. And then sometimes that cunning gets him well ahead....along with raw skill ofc.
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: fatneck on April 23, 2021, 10:58:57 pm
Just finished watching with the wife. She commented that she really enjoyed the problems. I agreed and thought the commentary was ace!

Contrary to someone above who said it was dull, we thought it was an excellent comp 👍
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Bradders on April 24, 2021, 07:04:43 am
Just finished watching with the wife. She commented that she really enjoyed the problems. I agreed and thought the commentary was ace!

Contrary to someone above who said it was dull, we thought it was an excellent comp 👍

Yeah likewise, the only thing that could possibly be labelled dull was the complete predictability of Janja's win, but even that was amazing to watch as she's just so impossibly good. I had to remind myself that I'd just watched 8B / 8B+ / 8C climbers and previous World Cup winners failing on these problems each time she smoothly dispatched, as she makes it look so easy.
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: sherlock on May 21, 2021, 11:01:33 am
IFSC World Cup in Utah.
I think we' ll see the semis live at 18:00 BST on Saturday.
Absolutely cracking line-up but   Janja & Akiyo absent.
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Fiend on May 21, 2021, 11:12:43 am
:bounce:

Edit cheers for the links Duma  :bounce:
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Duma on May 21, 2021, 11:28:41 am
Start list:
https://www.ifsc-climbing.org/index.php/world-competition/calendar?task=starters&event=1190
Womens Quals 4pm BST today
Mens Quals 10:30pm today
Semis  6pm BST Sat -  YT link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwvwGG6AGdw
Finals midnight BST Sat - YT link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXC52wxDCGg


Shauna's first comp in how long?

Oriane FTW though.

Still no Tomoa which is a shame
Only one Mawem brother, be good to see how he goes in the bouldering before the olympics
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: sherlock on May 21, 2021, 11:39:58 am
Yeah Duma, thanks!
I always seem to stuff up putting links in the message  :slap:
Think SC last competed in 2019, Hachioji Olympic Quals?
Olympics looking on a shoogly peg just now BTW.
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Duma on May 21, 2021, 12:11:25 pm
just had a look at the start list for next weekends WC (also in SLC) and some interesting changes:

Janja's back, as are Akiyo and Tomoa

I guess this is as there's a speed comp too so they can combine.

Shauna's competing this weekend but not next, seems a weird choice, if you're only doing one surely you'd choose the one with speed given the olympic aspect - as the three above seemed to have done?
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: NoonThunder on May 21, 2021, 01:13:48 pm
I think if I was Shauna and I'd already qualified for the Olympics I would avoid any speed comps at all costs!

Flipping dull   :yawn:
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: remus on May 21, 2021, 01:27:31 pm
I think if I was Shauna and I'd already qualified for the Olympics I would avoid any speed comps at all costs!

Flipping dull   :yawn:

Surely if you want to win in the combined format then getting some practice in your weaker disciplines, especially under comp conditions, is going to be very beneficial?
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Bradders on May 21, 2021, 01:57:55 pm
Psyched for this, shame Janja's not there but otherwise it's a bit of a who's who of current elite competition climbing.

Interesting very few of the more traditional American outdoor climbers present; no Woods, Webb, Fultz, Puccio, Johnson, etc. Granted they're all getting on a little bit but considering all of them have pushed their bouldering grades in the last year and given it's on home soil I'd have thought at least one of them would have shown up.

Oriane FTW though.

Podium of Oriane, Kyra Condie and Shauna I reckon  :boxing:
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: sherlock on May 21, 2021, 02:24:23 pm

Podium of Oriane, Kyra Condie and Shauna I reckon  :boxing:
[/quote]

I'll stick my neck out and go for Condie, Miho and Grossman, no particular order.
Absolutely no idea in Men's.
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: NoonThunder on May 21, 2021, 02:30:58 pm
I think if I was Shauna and I'd already qualified for the Olympics I would avoid any speed comps at all costs!

Flipping dull   :yawn:

Surely if you want to win in the combined format then getting some practice in your weaker disciplines, especially under comp conditions, is going to be very beneficial?

I doubt it. When it's the a discipline they're all only doing because they have to rather than want to alot of it comes down to luck on the day. Speed seems to be one of those things where even if you've practied everything a million times a footslip is all it takes.

Just my 2pence anyway!
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: teestub on May 21, 2021, 02:37:13 pm

Interesting very few of the more traditional American outdoor climbers present; no Woods, Webb, Fultz, Puccio, Johnson, etc. Granted they're all getting on a little bit but considering all of them have pushed their bouldering grades in the last year and given it's on home soil I'd have thought at least one of them would have shown up.

I think comp problems have become so specialised these days that they wouldn’t really have a chance! More than a decade on from Woods crushing in Vail
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4QrvLoxFAM4
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Dexter on May 21, 2021, 03:25:47 pm
I think if I was Shauna and I'd already qualified for the Olympics I would avoid any speed comps at all costs!

Flipping dull   :yawn:

Surely if you want to win in the combined format then getting some practice in your weaker disciplines, especially under comp conditions, is going to be very beneficial?

I doubt it. When it's the a discipline they're all only doing because they have to rather than want to alot of it comes down to luck on the day. Speed seems to be one of those things where even if you've practied everything a million times a footslip is all it takes.

Just my 2pence anyway!

Surely this will be affected in part by nerves, which will be alleviated by doing more speed climbing in a competition format.
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Duma on May 21, 2021, 04:23:02 pm
Agree with Grossman for the podium, she looked very good in Meringen
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: jwi on May 21, 2021, 04:53:43 pm
My guess (based on assumed "American setting" i.e. basic):

Women: Miho Nonaka, Oriane Bertone, Laura Rogora

Men: Adam Ondra, Fuji Kokoro, Ogata Yoshiyuki
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Duma on May 21, 2021, 08:02:29 pm
No Shauna in semis, not even close. Molly way down too.

Jen Wood on the edge in 19th, couple of women left to climb though - fingers crossed!
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Sidehaas on May 21, 2021, 08:32:25 pm
How do you follow the qualis? I can't find updates anywhere.
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: jwi on May 21, 2021, 08:33:31 pm
How do you follow the qualis? I can't find updates anywhere.
https://www.ifsc-climbing.org/index.php/world-competition/calendar/?task=resultathletes&event=1190&result=7
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: robertostallioni on May 21, 2021, 08:36:16 pm
theres  a very handy real time IFSC WC Series app.
Holly Toots currently13th. Is she still British Champion?
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Duma on May 21, 2021, 08:41:55 pm
There's an app, ifsc WC series I think it's called?

Holly topped her last problem and seems safely through, Jen Wood out of semi places now though.
Only Hannah Slaney of the British women still climbing, but I don't think she can make semis now even if she tops her last problems.
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: teestub on May 21, 2021, 08:48:35 pm
Good showing from the americans 4 in top 10, look like Kyra must have had a nightmare!
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Sidehaas on May 21, 2021, 08:49:19 pm
 ::) thanks all, was trying to navigate the website but didn't find anything, app sounds good!
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Duma on May 21, 2021, 09:10:12 pm
Oriane FTW though.

Podium of Oriane, Kyra Condie and Shauna I reckon  :boxing:
I'll stick my neck out and go for Condie, Miho and Grossman, no particular order.
Absolutely no idea in Men's.

Well Kyra and Shauna are out...

Shauna sounds gutted on SM, seems like her back is a big issue.
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Bradders on May 21, 2021, 09:18:57 pm
Well shit there go my predictions!

Sad for Shauna. Seems like her back is a much bigger and more ongoing issue than has previously been made out. Must be incredibly frustrating.
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: sherlock on May 21, 2021, 09:24:45 pm
2 out of my 3 predictions are through! :smartass:
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Bradders on May 21, 2021, 09:45:15 pm
Mens predictions then.

Ondra, Ogata, Coleman
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Duma on May 21, 2021, 09:50:34 pm
Ondra, Kokoro, Coleman

Would most like to see Jernej and Stasa do well though.
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Duma on May 21, 2021, 09:54:34 pm
Also anyone know what happened to Julia Chanourdie? Says DNS on the app.
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: jwi on May 21, 2021, 10:23:25 pm
Chanourdie has had a biceps injury this spring 🤷🏼‍♂️
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: joel182 on May 21, 2021, 11:43:04 pm
Videos of every boulder of the women's qualifiers are on Katja Debevec's instagram (https://www.instagram.com/p/CPJRyFtDpud/).

And the only top of W3 is on Miho Nonaka's (https://www.instagram.com/p/CPJnBFjhYND).
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: sxrxg on May 22, 2021, 08:19:04 am
Anyone know what happened to Shauna? 36th in qualifying. With only a single top and a couple of zones.
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Duma on May 22, 2021, 08:43:05 am
Shauna sounds gutted on SM, seems like her back is a big issue.
Sad for Shauna. Seems like her back is a much bigger and more ongoing issue than has previously been made out. Must be incredibly frustrating.
I think (don't quote me...) she had an epidural for an operation on her knee last year and its left her with serious back problems?
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: remus on May 22, 2021, 08:43:59 am
Anyone know what happened to Shauna? 36th in qualifying. With only a single top and a couple of zones.

Trouble with her back https://www.instagram.com/p/CPJaDnsBYkO/ Not sure what the details of the injury are though.
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: remus on May 22, 2021, 08:47:24 am
For those who were asking, this is the app you can use to keep an eye on results

android: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.ifsc.boulder14
iOS: https://apps.apple.com/gb/app/ifsc-wc-series/id796061884
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Duma on May 22, 2021, 09:04:14 am
Ondra, Kokoro, Coleman

Would most like to see Jernej and Stasa do well though.

Coleman out, Kokoro and Oriane only scraped into semis - so much for my predictions...
No Jernej in semis either :-(
At least Stasa and Adam look good

No British men through, pretty good showing though as far as I can tell from the app - 4 of them got three tops, and one more bonus for Matt Cousins would have been enough for semis.
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: jwi on May 22, 2021, 09:12:18 am
Also anyone know what happened to Julia Chanourdie? Says DNS on the app.

I'm sure you have seen https://www.instagram.com/p/CPJ1C_8DUQL/ otherwise, Chanourdie aborted during warm-up due to injury
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Duma on May 22, 2021, 10:19:58 am
Yeah saw that, hopefully clears up in time for next weekend
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Bradders on May 22, 2021, 11:01:12 am
Ondra, Kokoro, Coleman

Would most like to see Jernej and Stasa do well though.

Coleman out, Kokoro and Oriane only scraped into semis - so much for my predictions...
No Jernej in semis either :-(
At least Stasa and Adam look good

No British men through, pretty good showing though as far as I can tell from the app - 4 of them got three tops, and one more bonus for Matt Cousins would have been enough for semis.

Yeah Coleman not making it a bit of a surprise, given made finals in Meiringen.

Mens comp looks pretty wide open for finals, seems like anyone could make it. Ondra and Ogata came top due to tops but others were able to do the problems they could do faster / fewer attempts it seems so all to play for.

And the only top of W3 is on Miho Nonaka's (https://www.instagram.com/p/CPJnBFjhYND).

Love how easy she makes it look, yet no one else could do it.
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Wellsy on May 22, 2021, 04:46:03 pm
Fucking sucks for Shauna, hope her back can be fixed up for the Olympics
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Duma on May 22, 2021, 05:54:10 pm
semis on now, little bit with shauna to start
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Duma on May 22, 2021, 07:39:30 pm
Men's way too hard, shame.
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Bradders on May 22, 2021, 08:30:50 pm
Yeah agreed, men's boulders a combo of too hard and too hard to read.

NSFW  :
Pure class from Ondra flashing mens 4 though considering it saw only one other top.

Thought Mejdi Shalck was climbing really well, thoroughly deserved final place.

Grossman in cruise control in the women's.
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Duma on May 22, 2021, 08:45:12 pm
NSFW  :
12 tops in the semis is ridiculously few, obviously the setters job is really hard but still.

Feeling better about my Podium Predictions now though!
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: remus on May 22, 2021, 08:47:31 pm
Men's way too hard, shame.

Too right!

NSFW  :
1 top enough to get in to the Men's top 10, only 2 climbers who got 2 or more tops!
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Duma on May 22, 2021, 08:58:58 pm
Also...
(Not a spoiler, but sensitive)
NSFW  :
Laura Rogora is pretty worrying. Tbh I'm glad she didn't threaten finals
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Fiend on May 22, 2021, 10:02:36 pm
I liked that Czech bloke on M4.

Balance was screwy but problems seemed fun although not much brutal steepness. I was only half paying attention due to focusing a bit more on death metal on bandcamp tho.
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Duma on May 22, 2021, 10:27:00 pm
How long since more Austrians than Japanese in finals?
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Duma on May 23, 2021, 11:47:08 am
Just finished the finals, Great finish to the womens!
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Duma on May 23, 2021, 12:41:14 pm
NSFW  :
https://www.instagram.com/p/CPNIIdJAo2H/?utm_medium=share_sheet
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Fultonius on May 23, 2021, 06:39:01 pm
Also...
(Not a spoiler, but sensitive)
NSFW  :
Laura Rogora is pretty worrying. Tbh I'm glad she didn't threaten finals

My thoughts exactly, I can't help but feel she needs some professional support.
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: finbarrr on May 23, 2021, 10:58:00 pm
problems seemed fun although not much brutal steepness.

I felt like I was watching World Cup slab bouldering.

Still enjoyed it.

Also , there is no ideal weight, ..
and we shouldn’t comment on climbers’ bodies, ...
I hope she’s ok
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Bradders on May 24, 2021, 07:02:27 am
Great comp I thought, for both men and women. Sustained interest right to the end. Glad the men's problems were more balanced versus semis.

Ondra just oozing class atm, seems like he's on great form and Mehjdi Shalck looks like an incredible talent. He might well have won if he'd flashed the first problem, as I thought he was going to, just misread the top.

Also...
(Not a spoiler, but sensitive)
NSFW  :
Laura Rogora is pretty worrying. Tbh I'm glad she didn't threaten finals

My thoughts exactly, I can't help but feel she needs some professional support.

I agree. Had similar thoughts about Grossman tbh, not that I'd like to take anything away from a great performance from her!
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Bradders on May 24, 2021, 09:33:25 am
Here's a fun fact; this was the first bouldering World Cup or World Championship since June 2018 which wasn't won by Janja Garnbret. 10 consecutive events.

Wonder why she wasn't there this time?

Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: NoonThunder on May 24, 2021, 09:35:16 am

[/quote]Also , there is no ideal weight, ..
and we shouldn’t comment on climbers’ bodies, ...
I hope she’s ok
[/quote]

Personally I can't agree with that as I believe it's a topic we need to talk more about, openly and not judgementally.

Great to see all shapes and sizes bouldering to an incredibly high level but at the same time worrying that her coaches, family, team have clearly allowed her to undereat.
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: jwi on May 25, 2021, 09:56:03 am

I agree. Had similar thoughts about Grossman tbh, not that I'd like to take anything away from a great performance from her!

I was mostly wondering if she is somehow related to the great Vasily, but much to my disappointment my better half told me that Grossman is/was a common name in Ukraine.
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: abarro81 on May 25, 2021, 02:56:15 pm
Given the discussion here:
https://www.ukclimbing.com/forums/ukc/ifsc_boulder_world_cup_salt_lake_city_2021_report-735122
[TLDR: T-nut holes are "out" like bolts and advertising banners are]

how come Brooke could use the t-nut holes and get away with it? And why did no other teams appeal? Anyone know?

Edit: this was double posted, with the second post a quote of the first post, but including the TLDR - I have deleted the duplicate post and included the TLDR in this post - Ru.
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: joel182 on May 25, 2021, 04:19:07 pm
Given the discussion here:
https://www.ukclimbing.com/forums/ukc/ifsc_boulder_world_cup_salt_lake_city_2021_report-735122
[TLDR: T-nut holes are "out" like bolts and advertising banners are]

how come Brooke could use the t-nut holes and get away with it? And why did no other teams appeal? Anyone know?

Edit: this was double posted, with the second post a quote of the first post, but including the TLDR - I have deleted the duplicate post and included the TLDR in this post - Ru.

I thought T-nut holes were disallowed for hands but allowed for feet, but skimming through the rules (https://cdn.ifsc-climbing.org/images/World_Competitions/2021_IFSC_Rules_v176.pdf) I can't find anything to back that up:

Quote
Artificial Aidmeans Controlling or Using any of the following

a)any “T-Nut”placements provided for the fixing of artificial holds;

Use means,  for  the  purposes  of  judging  and  scoring,  that  a  competitor  has  made  use  of  some object/structure  toeffectboth  a  progressive  movement  of  their  centre  of  mass  or  hips;  anda movementof either or both hands toward:
a) the next sequential handhold along the line of progression;

8.17 A competitor’s attempt will be:
A)judged “Unsuccessful” if:
4)the competitor has made use of any Artificial Aid,
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Muenchener on May 25, 2021, 04:24:44 pm
Seemed odd to me too.

I've heard it argued that it would be hard to draw the line between smearing on a bit of wall that happened to include a t-nut hole and deliberately "using" one. But I've also watched a lot of world cup bouldering, both live and on video, and I've never seen anybody else as blatantly and deliberately front-pointing on them as Brooke was.
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Dac on May 25, 2021, 05:18:50 pm
Given how the majority of the top competitors are extensively coached, and attend training events to climb problems in a competition style setting, surely at one of these Brookes propensity for using t-nut holes for feet has been observed before.
So I can only assume that Brooke and her coach are satisfied that the technique is permitted, because you wouldn't want to risk doing it otherwise.

Having said that, from the extracts from the rules people have been posting on UKC that doesn't appear to be the case.

Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: jwi on May 25, 2021, 06:12:54 pm
Time to get out some crampons for the slabs then!
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Moo on May 26, 2021, 08:43:59 am
I'm a bit surprised that they're still bothering to T-Nut competition walls, it would seem to make more sense to just use screws then it avoids the issue entirely.
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: teestub on May 26, 2021, 08:49:02 pm
Did I miss a reason why there’s two bouldering world cups on the bounce in SLC? I had assumed this weekend coming was speed and lead.
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: danm on May 26, 2021, 09:13:01 pm
Did I miss a reason why there’s two bouldering world cups on the bounce in SLC? I had assumed this weekend coming was speed and lead.
The main reasons without a doubt are
a) there have been pretty much no intl comps for over a year and competitors are rusty as sin so want to get off as many comps in as possible to get match fit again
b) getting the travel exemptions etc sorted is such a huge amount of work and so uncertain, that once you've actually travelled, why wouldn't you do as many comps as you can? Its totally logical.
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Bradders on May 26, 2021, 09:25:16 pm
b) getting the travel exemptions etc sorted is such a huge amount of work and so uncertain, that once you've actually travelled, why wouldn't you do as many comps as you can? Its totally logical.

Making it extra strange that Shauna's gone home!
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: teestub on May 26, 2021, 09:27:23 pm
I guess they are hoping the travel situation is improved a bit before Austria>Switzerland>France>Moscow>Seoul>Xiamen>Wujiang>Jakarta!
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: joel182 on May 26, 2021, 09:41:02 pm
I guess they are hoping the travel situation is improved a bit before Austria>Switzerland>France>Moscow>Seoul>Xiamen>Wujiang>Jakarta!

Don't forget Tokyo in the middle of all that  :worms:
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Fiend on May 26, 2021, 10:00:15 pm
Bit easy and a bit slabby but still a good comp. The teenage Francaises especially!
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: remus on May 26, 2021, 10:53:36 pm
Making it extra strange that Shauna's gone home!

Just speculating, but I wonder whether last weekend was meant to test the waters and see how the injury felt? Maybe that's why she wasn't on the start list for this weekend.
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: GraemeA on May 27, 2021, 04:19:42 pm
[Making it extra strange that Shauna's gone home!

Someone said that she is getting married.
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: galpinos on May 27, 2021, 08:53:48 pm
Sod the wedding goss Graeme, what's the deal with using bolt holes for feet? Legit or not?
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Fiend on May 27, 2021, 08:55:29 pm
Hell yeah. Give us the bolt-hole goss!

I was waving as you strolled past the camera several times, hth.
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: GraemeA on May 28, 2021, 02:05:14 am
Sod the wedding goss Graeme, what's the deal with using bolt holes for feet? Legit or not?

Well we had the Technical meeting for the 2nd BWC in SLC a couple of hours ago and I was able to confirm that it was never intended to change the rule to eliminate the use of T-nuts holes for feet. So they are allowed and it is public knowledge  :dance1:
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Potash on May 28, 2021, 08:54:05 am
Will hard lugs within the rubber of climbing shoes be explicitly banned soon then?

I can picture a shoe with duel density rubber, soft and normal in all the normal places whilst containing hard lugs in the outside edge for bolt holes.

Are those weird heel hooking ridged shoes allowed?
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: galpinos on May 28, 2021, 08:57:22 am
Sod the wedding goss Graeme, what's the deal with using bolt holes for feet? Legit or not?

Well we had the Technical meeting for the 2nd BWC in SLC a couple of hours ago and I was able to confirm that it was never intended to change the rule to eliminate the use of T-nuts holes for feet. So they are allowed and it is public knowledge  :dance1:

Cheers Graeme, you can now return to your other roll as the over-caffeinated sugary drink company wedding correspondent.......
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Muenchener on May 28, 2021, 12:42:13 pm
Will hard lugs within the rubber of climbing shoes be explicitly banned soon then?

I can picture a shoe with duel density rubber, soft and normal in all the normal places whilst containing hard lugs in the outside edge for bolt holes.

Pah. Go the whole hog with jwi's idea: fruit boots with filed down monopoints
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: SA Chris on May 28, 2021, 01:14:56 pm

Are those weird heel hooking ridged shoes allowed?

Like the old orange Mad Rocks? Would have thought so.
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: moose on May 28, 2021, 01:36:01 pm
Will hard lugs within the rubber of climbing shoes be explicitly banned soon then?

I can picture a shoe with duel density rubber, soft and normal in all the normal places whilst containing hard lugs in the outside edge for bolt holes.

Pah. Go the whole hog with jwi's idea: fruit boots with filed down monopoints

I'd prefer the stealth variant - Rosa Klebb style retractable "flick crampons":

https://youtu.be/EeXAojTEkvg?t=80 (https://youtu.be/EeXAojTEkvg?t=80)
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: SA Chris on May 28, 2021, 01:41:02 pm
About as effective a weapon as a bowler hat.
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: jwi on May 28, 2021, 08:56:06 pm
Just checked the ifsc webpage and saw that Kiromal Katibin broke the world record in speed by quite a bit in the qualifiers in Salt Lake. 5.25 seconds compared to the old record of 5.48
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: GraemeA on May 28, 2021, 09:55:32 pm
Both of his runs were under the old WR (5.25 and 5.32). His compatriot, Veddriq Leonardo ran 5.37
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: joel182 on May 28, 2021, 10:01:10 pm
Fastest times in the Qualifying round for the Olympic climbers:

Code: [Select]
| Aleksandra | Miroslaw    | POL | 7.20  |
| Janja      | Garnbret    | SLO | 8.36  |
| Kyra       | Condie      | USA | 8.44  |
| Anouck     | Jaubert     | FRA | 8.49  |
| Miho       | Nonaka      | JPN | 8.58  |
| Akiyo      | Noguchi     | JPN | 9.13  |
| Brooke     | Raboutou    | USA | 9.37  |
| Petra      | Klingler    | SUI | 9.43  |
| Laura      | Rogora      | ITA | 11.60 |
| Erin       | Sterkenburg | RSA | 12.05 |

Code: [Select]
| Ludovico    | Fossali    | ITA | 6.09        |
| Mickael     | Mawem      | FRA | 6.28        |
| Colin       | Duffy      | USA | 6.75        |
| Christopher | Cosser     | RSA | 6.83        |
| Jan         | Hojer      | GER | 6.89        |
| Nathaniel   | Coleman    | USA | 6.97        |
| Michael     | Piccolruaz | ITA | 7.15        |
| Sean        | McColl     | CAN | 7.81        |
| Kai         | Harada     | JPN | 7.89        |
| Tomoa       | Narasaki   | JPN | false start |

Some climbers (Ondra, Megos) seemed to be registered for Speed but didn't compete which I find quite surprising. Feels a shame to miss out on any Speed competition practice before Tokyo.
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Fiend on May 28, 2021, 10:02:27 pm
 :sick:
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Duma on May 29, 2021, 09:55:07 am
janja fastest non specialist in qualifying then 14.47 in finals? did she fall asleep?
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: jwi on May 29, 2021, 10:23:48 am
Just checked the ifsc webpage and saw that Kiromal Katibin broke the world record in speed by quite a bit in the qualifiers in Salt Lake. 5.25 seconds compared to the old record of 5.48

Oh well, the record stood for a few hours until his landsman Leonardo Veddriq made a 5.21 s run in the finals.
https://www.grimper.com/news-vitesse-deux-records-monde-tombent-coup-coup-salt-lake-city
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: tomtom on May 29, 2021, 10:31:26 am
Ondra’s pulled out. To stop further aggravation of a shoulder niggle.
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Duma on May 29, 2021, 11:51:56 am
anyway, back to the proper stuff, Qualification this afternoon/eve from 1500 on the app
Semis from 4 tomorrow on YT:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMr4n5vSgVQ
Finals from 11:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yM1wjzE-ss
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: sherlock on May 29, 2021, 03:14:48 pm
Miho impressive for a non specialist.
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Duma on May 29, 2021, 03:23:50 pm
think I've got the time for qualis wrong as Alex waterhouse has posted on IG that he'll be livestreaming from 630pm BST?
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: WillRobertson on May 29, 2021, 04:32:33 pm
That'll be after he's climbed presumably.

Scores are updating, Tomoa looking on ominous form already...

Edit to add: 1600 BST start time for qualis today.
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Duma on May 29, 2021, 04:37:54 pm
Alex waterhouse's IG is live now
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Bradders on May 29, 2021, 04:38:51 pm
Reckon it'll be another fairly high bar to make semis for the men by the looks of it.
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: sherlock on May 29, 2021, 06:37:51 pm
Where's Jacob Schubert? Am l missing something on the app? Always a possibility.

Edit just seen his IG.
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Sidehaas on May 29, 2021, 07:47:45 pm
Looks like Alex will be through with four tops. Max just did problem 2 as well - I think so far everyone who did that has gone on to four tops and looks like qualifying.
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Duma on May 29, 2021, 07:50:27 pm
Yes! Go Alex! Look like 4 tops is pretty much the minimum to make semis
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Bradders on May 30, 2021, 07:42:11 am
Anyone know what happened to Molly T-S? Climbs 8B during the week, managed just one zone in the comp! Maybe she was tired.
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Duma on May 30, 2021, 08:57:01 am
Not sure how much relevance 8B has to bouldering comps these days. She had a disappointing qualification last weekend too.

Nice to see Janja "hoping for some hard stuff tomorrow" !
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: 205Chris on May 30, 2021, 08:21:30 pm
Spoilers

NSFW  :
Looks like Janja got her wish.

Max qualifies for finals in 6th.

Shame we didn't get to see Alex on men's 2
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Fiend on May 30, 2021, 10:23:48 pm
Semis got pretty exciting overall for a few reasons! Some great problems especially Ws. Psyched for the finals.  :2thumbsup:  :punk:
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Coops_13 on May 31, 2021, 04:38:24 am
Watched both finals live tonight, v impressive US display and good fun to watch
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: monkey boy on May 31, 2021, 07:18:31 am
Spoilers

NSFW  :
Looks like Janja got her wish.

Max qualifies for finals in 6th.

Shame we didn't get to see Alex on men's 2

Alex took a while to figure the start of Men's 2 but got his hand on the finish hold but then ran out of time for another go. Great performance from Max and Alex.
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: remus on May 31, 2021, 08:12:08 am
NSFW  :
janja in not-first shocker!! She is mortal.
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Steve R on May 31, 2021, 01:16:20 pm
Good comp but not quite as good as it could've been due to the setting.  Men's slightly too easy in the semis with women's too hard. Then the reverse (over compensation?) in the final.  That said, lots of great moments, B Raboutou only woman managing that grim looking arse bar problem in the semis was good.  Shame there wasn't something hard in the final for Grossman and Garnbret to actually compete on rather than just attempts. A personal favourite little moment was S Gejo's reaction here: https://youtu.be/3yM1wjzE-ss?t=11690  surely a meme maker's dream.  Would've liked to have seen Ondra on the desperate looking techy ones that didn't get done in the final.   
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: cheque on May 31, 2021, 07:04:02 pm
Just checked the ifsc webpage and saw that Kiromal Katibin broke the world record in speed by quite a bit in the qualifiers in Salt Lake. 5.25 seconds compared to the old record of 5.48

Oh well, the record stood for a few hours until his landsman Leonardo Veddriq made a 5.21 s run in the finals.

This all sounds a bit Flo Jo. Have they checked the wall wasn’t a few degrees too slabby or something?  :-\
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: GraemeA on May 31, 2021, 07:45:45 pm
This all sounds a bit Flo Jo. Have they checked the wall wasn’t a few degrees too slabby or something?  :-\

Yes I did, it was pretty much bob on

The tolerance is +1.5/-0.5 and it was never more than 0.1 out
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: tomtom on May 31, 2021, 07:49:49 pm
This all sounds a bit Flo Jo. Have they checked the wall wasn’t a few degrees too slabby or something?  :-\

Yes I did, it was pretty much bob on

The tolerance is +1.5/-0.5 and it was never more than 0.1 out

At altitude. Less dense air - less drag 😁
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: GraemeA on May 31, 2021, 08:38:39 pm
This all sounds a bit Flo Jo. Have they checked the wall wasn’t a few degrees too slabby or something?  :-\

Yes I did, it was pretty much bob on

The tolerance is +1.5/-0.5 and it was never more than 0.1 out

At altitude. Less dense air - less drag 😁

Both of them were short arses. Less body mass, less drag.
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: danm on June 01, 2021, 01:37:58 pm
Do you also check the autobelays to see if they have a secret motor built in, like they do on the bikes on Le Tour etc?
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Fiend on June 03, 2021, 08:46:34 pm
Well, the balance wrt M/W finals was bolloxed, but the climbing was very good, some great movements indeed. The level of climber/crowd psyche was great too. Good watching, cheers IFSC.
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: joel182 on June 12, 2021, 02:23:52 am
The IFSC has apparently (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0uK-oWwxf887yOGYIeQpWQ/community?lb=UgwMvFQaWkacVhXgeAl4AaABCQ) issued a copyright claim against the small time youtube channel BoulderingHighlights (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0uK-oWwxf887yOGYIeQpWQ) that had been making highlight videos of the World Cups since the first Salt Lake City round this year.

Their videos had been very popular pulling in way more views than the official IFSC highlights, and in Speed Cup more views than the official livestream.

I hope some arrangement is reached. Issuing copyright claims against community creators does not seem like the right thing to do here.
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: danm on June 12, 2021, 12:00:52 pm
Whose content is it? Are they editing footage shot by the IFSC or shooting their own?
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: joel182 on June 12, 2021, 12:41:11 pm
They are editing footage from the IFSC livestream.
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: abarro81 on June 12, 2021, 01:40:25 pm
Not surprised then tbh.. YouTube is a revenue stream nowadays innit
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Teaboy on June 12, 2021, 01:54:07 pm
I hope an arrangement is sorted out too but the defences that have been put forward by their supporters seems pretty weak, it seems to boik down to two things. Either ‘they should be allowed to use it because they only use the best bits of footage they have nicked’ or ‘They are making more money from the Ifsc official footage than the ifsc are’
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: danm on June 12, 2021, 06:28:26 pm
If it's IFSC footage, then it's theft plain and simple, regardless of how good a job they are doing. Who pays for the film makers to travel? Just about the only valid rationale I can see for it is if the IFSC are doing such a poor job at it that these guys want to show them that they can do it better and deserve a contract to do it for the IFSC.
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: teestub on June 12, 2021, 07:00:25 pm
If it's IFSC footage, then it's theft plain and simple, regardless of how good a job they are doing. Who pays for the film makers to travel?

This.
I remember Ondra used to use footage for his vlogs which seemed fair game as it was him climbing, but they put a stop to that too.
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Bradders on June 13, 2021, 07:36:56 pm
Shauna quitting after the Olympics. Not really a massive surprise, seems injuries have taken their toll physically and no doubt mentally.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CQEcSWyB9f4/?utm_medium=copy_link
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Dexter on June 14, 2021, 08:20:48 am
I hope an arrangement is sorted out too but the defences that have been put forward by their supporters seems pretty weak, it seems to boik down to two things. Either ‘they should be allowed to use it because they only use the best bits of footage they have nicked’ or ‘They are making more money from the Ifsc official footage than the ifsc are’

Seems like they should sue them for copyright then straight after give them a job making their highlight videos.
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: GraemeA on June 14, 2021, 05:22:31 pm
If it's IFSC footage, then it's theft plain and simple, regardless of how good a job they are doing. Who pays for the film makers to travel?

This.
I remember Ondra used to use footage for his vlogs which seemed fair game as it was him climbing, but they put a stop to that too.

Athletes have to apply for a Licence and the 2021 Licence includes this "- I agree not to shoot IFSC competitions without IFSC prior approval; and I agree not to use IFSC footage without IFSC prior approval." (NB I have no idea whether this clause was included in previous year's licence details but can't be arsed checking).
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Duma on June 23, 2021, 05:58:52 pm
Innsbruck lead qualis today, Ondra looking good. Brooke in 3rd in women's - after her shock "not win" in SLC, has Janja finally got some competition? Dora the explorer in 2nd and skinny as ever.
Boulder qualis tomorrow at 8am BST I think.
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: GraemeA on June 23, 2021, 10:57:42 pm
There is a brief highlights video of the Mixed Gender comp that was trialled in SLC. Nice touch that isn't in the vid is that we couldn't get the national anthemn sorted so I suggested the winning team just sang it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGyfZmUni24
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Duma on June 24, 2021, 11:41:02 am
lead semis tomorrow morning:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7ey_DZu_8g
lead finals tomorrow eve:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdGBYBoGh_s
Boulder semis Sat morning:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=El0WuBMUFI0
Boulder finals Sat eve:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpPQ1vE8a0k
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Duma on June 24, 2021, 12:31:29 pm
Sean Bailey, winner of last WC, well out of semis. Likewise Jernej Kruder, Manu Cornu. Megos scraped in.
Mickael Mawem looking good again. Jakob looking very strong in Lead and Bouldering.
Good to see Akiyo looks back on form. Got to be a bit gutted for Kyra Condie - 21st in lead and boulder.

Bouldering going to be interesting as lots of this field doing lead semis/finals tomorrow.
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: galpinos on June 24, 2021, 03:59:47 pm
...... Got to be a bit gutted for Kyra Condie - 21st in lead and boulder.

21st in lead gets her into the semis?
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: crimpinainteasy on June 24, 2021, 04:02:24 pm
How comes Adam Ondra isn't participating in bouldering, only lead?
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Kingy on June 24, 2021, 04:28:22 pm
He injured his shoulder in the last World Cup in Salt Lake
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Duma on June 24, 2021, 05:03:19 pm
...... Got to be a bit gutted for Kyra Condie - 21st in lead and boulder.

21st in lead gets her into the semis?

Does it? my bad, assumed it would be the same cut off as bouldering. Shows how much lead I pay attention to!
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: galpinos on June 25, 2021, 10:16:21 am
...... Got to be a bit gutted for Kyra Condie - 21st in lead and boulder.

21st in lead gets her into the semis?

Does it? my bad, assumed it would be the same cut off as bouldering. Shows how much lead I pay attention to!

I didn't realise either, it was the press release that made me realise it's 26 in the lead semis.

Are the grey bolt covers new? Seems a good addition if so, stops the, "did their foot touch the bolt" controversies.
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: jwi on June 25, 2021, 07:41:41 pm
Genius routesetting in the women's final. That's how you make being skinny-strong a disadvantage.
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Mr_Cus on June 25, 2021, 07:59:08 pm
Janjajajaja killin it again - olympic champ?
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: teestub on June 25, 2021, 09:39:11 pm
Oh!
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Bradders on June 26, 2021, 09:38:17 am
NSFW  :
Wonder what was going on with Ondra?! Very uncharacteristic, although the first slip led to an incredible save, so strong! He was pissing it to that point too.

Good women's final. Janja cruising but good to see her being pushed at least a little bit by Akiyo and Brooke.
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: J_duds on June 26, 2021, 10:09:25 am
His foot slipped twice!  Were his boots too small?

Enjoyed watching the lead final.
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: galpinos on June 26, 2021, 03:00:57 pm
What’s happened to the boulder semis? No longer televised? The link to/on YouTube seems dead/to have disappeared.

Great route setting for the Ladies final imho. Thought it might suit the more “boulder strong” women too much and might be too low percentage but worked well.

Men’s final, well, wasn’t expecting that!
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Duma on June 26, 2021, 03:13:33 pm
Semis streamed fine live but now says it's private, weird?
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Duma on June 26, 2021, 03:16:05 pm
Lead semis and finals still online though, very odd
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: galpinos on June 26, 2021, 04:04:02 pm
IFSC Facebook page now shows an apology from ORF for some of their footage during the women’s semi. I presume that’s why it was pulled.
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: jwi on June 27, 2021, 09:46:52 am
Pretty impressive showing from the Japanese men.

Even if Garnbret comes last in speed (not completely unlikely) it will be hard to beat a score of 1x1x20. If Raboutou comes second in both bouldering and lead, she will have to be fourth or better in speed to win.
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: 36chambers on June 27, 2021, 10:14:33 am
IFSC Facebook page now shows an apology from ORF for some of their footage during the women’s semi. I presume that’s why it was pulled.

Is this to do with the slow-mo ass shots?   
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: galpinos on June 27, 2021, 12:07:58 pm
IFSC Facebook page now shows an apology from ORF for some of their footage during the women’s semi. I presume that’s why it was pulled.

Is this to do with the slow-mo ass shots?

I believe so, yes.
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: GraemeA on June 27, 2021, 12:35:35 pm
Pretty impressive showing from the Japanese men.

Even if Garnbret comes last in speed (not completely unlikely) it will be hard to beat a score of 1x1x20. If Raboutou comes second in both bouldering and lead, she will have to be fourth or better in speed to win.

The medals are decided in the finals though ;-)

So it is 1 x 1 x 8 for Janja in your scenario. Brooke would need to win speed if she gets 2nd in both lead and boulder. 2 x 2 x 2 for Brooke would see Janja win due to the tie breaking rules.
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: jwi on June 27, 2021, 12:56:09 pm
Pretty impressive showing from the Japanese men.

Even if Garnbret comes last in speed (not completely unlikely) it will be hard to beat a score of 1x1x20. If Raboutou comes second in both bouldering and lead, she will have to be fourth or better in speed to win.

The medals are decided in the finals though ;-)

So it is 1 x 1 x 8 for Janja in your scenario. Brooke would need to win speed if she gets 2nd in both lead and boulder. 2 x 2 x 2 for Brooke would see Janja win due to the tie breaking rules.

ahh.... yeah. Of course!
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: remus on June 28, 2021, 01:23:12 pm
Not sure how new it is but I like the introduction of the 'bolt blocker' holds. Nice solution to the problem of climbers dabbing a bolt while climbing and then having to be called off.
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: crimpinainteasy on June 28, 2021, 11:35:56 pm
Fuji's top of men's 3 was definitely the highlight for me.  He made that boulder look like total piss after everyone else had struggled so much with it.
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Durbs on June 29, 2021, 09:57:33 am
What was the thinking behind leaving half of Dover on M3?

Surely they could have / should have brushed that off before the first competitor, part of my thinks it got progressively easier as all the chalk was removed.
Appreciate it needed to be dried, but didn't seem remotely fair.

Flipside, really fun problem to finish on - no run n' jumping, no massive burl, just delicate feet-only padding. Top-stuff.

What was that stat they put out too - Janja tops 92% of finals problems?! Utterly incredible.

Part of me wants to see the slo-mo ass shot, just to see how truly awful it was, and whether it was a cameraman (and producer) not paying attention as to what they were actually filming so not cutting away, or a cameraman being a massive pervert.

Edit: Found this:
The host broadcaster, ORF, showed a slow-motion sequence lasting around five seconds zooming in on chalk handprints on the backside of home climber Johanna Färber while she took part in the women’s bouldering semi-final.

Sounds very deliberate. Foreigners eh  ;)
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Duma on June 29, 2021, 10:40:13 am
I saw it on a mates IG - it was very definitely deliberate. I'm pretty surprised by the lack of comment from the competitors tbh.
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Steve R on June 29, 2021, 12:53:55 pm
I'm pretty surprised by the lack of comment from the competitors tbh.

Maybe cos most of 'em wear hotpants anyway and aren't really arsed?  :spank:
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Durbs on June 29, 2021, 01:05:32 pm
I saw it on a mates IG - it was very definitely deliberate. I'm pretty surprised by the lack of comment from the competitors tbh.

Competitors or commentators?
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: jwi on July 11, 2021, 09:31:43 am
Cracks formed by a space between two macro volumes is clearly a new thing in comps.... they did not appear before 1998

(https://i.imgur.com/I4q4FBq.jpg)

(Did not know where to post this, but I found it interesting in light of the renewed interest in making cracks appear on indoor boulders and routes)
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Duma on July 12, 2021, 10:52:06 am
Womens Semis in Chamonix this eve, feat MTS:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaPdu9JVLFA
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: jwi on July 12, 2021, 01:20:59 pm
I saw on FFME's facebook page that the men's semis has been moved forward to tonight because of the weather forecast. The men's and women's semi will both take place at 7.30 PM CET
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Fiend on July 12, 2021, 02:20:41 pm
Cheers chaps, also nice footjam pic jwi.

Have caught up on Innsbruck and Villars, all good  :2thumbsup:
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Fiend on July 12, 2021, 07:05:34 pm
Possible jam 2/3 the way up W's semis?? Haven't been looking too closely tho...
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: jwi on July 26, 2021, 08:55:07 pm
Nice short/flathold commercial about setting in Meiringen. Well worth watching

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6nDlGPYvN8
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: jwi on August 24, 2021, 09:20:07 am
Finals in the Youth World Championships for Youth A now, with Mejdi Schalk among others.
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: GraemeA on August 24, 2021, 03:09:03 pm
2 Brits in Male Juniior final, along with 2 French and 2 Japanese
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: edshakey on August 24, 2021, 07:17:48 pm
Spoilers
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Congrats the Hamish for the win! Great result for him, already had some decent results in seniors so good to see him end the juniors on a high. And nice one Dayan too, finals is still very impressive. Strong lads  :strongbench:
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: jwi on August 25, 2021, 12:03:29 pm
Just watched the womens junior lead final (due to local interest) and jeez... the draws on the lead walls are ... funky. Recognised some old Petzl and Singing Rock draws that definitely where not sewn in the last decade.
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: edshakey on August 27, 2021, 12:57:00 am
Hamish into lead finals in first... the double would be something special!

Also not strictly IFSC but Molly is in Rock Masters in Arco, think there might be a stream somewhere but not 100% sure
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: edshakey on August 27, 2021, 06:47:21 pm
Hamish into lead finals in first... the double would be something special!

He's only gone and done it!
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: UnkArl on August 27, 2021, 10:44:53 pm
Hamish into lead finals in first... the double would be something special!

He's only gone and done it!

Absolutely incredible!
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Bradders on August 29, 2021, 04:46:36 pm
Emily Phillips with the combined win!

https://www.instagram.com/p/CTKIldlDR4k/?utm_medium=copy_link

What are they putting in the water at the Precision Climbing Team meetings?
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Duma on September 04, 2021, 11:31:26 am
Good showing in qualifiers yesterday, 3 to semis. No finalists tomorrow (though MTS was close in 11th) but staja is co commentating so should be good. Very strong women's field in particular.
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Duma on September 04, 2021, 11:47:24 am
Interesting (?) that 5 female Olympians competing but no males.
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Fiend on September 04, 2021, 11:57:28 am
KRANJ. Thanks for the reminder. Some viewing for later.
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: tk421a on September 17, 2021, 12:21:54 am
Speed World Champs finals today.
Danyil Boldryev wearing a Edelrid Loopo skimo harness c. 80g and Iuliia Kaplina wearing a Camp Alp Racing c. 90g one. Others wearing sport harnesses (Erik Noya hasn't even cut his gear loops off!). Saving about 200g there.
Would've thought in a comp where times are measured to the thousandth you'd go for every marginal gain.
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Fultonius on September 17, 2021, 07:41:11 am
Speed World Champs finals today.
Danyil Boldryev wearing a Edelrid Loopo skimo harness c. 80g and Iuliia Kaplina wearing a Camp Alp Racing c. 90g one. Others wearing sport harnesses (Erik Noya hasn't even cut his gear loops off!). Saving about 200g there.
Would've thought in a comp where times are measured to the thousandth you'd go for every marginal gain.

I'm actually surprised they don't just have a standard harness / fixed weight.
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: wasbeen on September 17, 2021, 07:51:26 am
Speed World Champs finals today.
Danyil Boldryev wearing a Edelrid Loopo skimo harness c. 80g and Iuliia Kaplina wearing a Camp Alp Racing c. 90g one. Others wearing sport harnesses (Erik Noya hasn't even cut his gear loops off!). Saving about 200g there.
Would've thought in a comp where times are measured to the thousandth you'd go for every marginal gain.

I'm actually surprised they don't just have a standard harness / fixed weight.

That is what I was thinking. I have seen quite a few inversions on falls. Not sure how much I would want to trust a semi-adjustable mountaineering harness which may not be designed for repeated falls.
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: SA Chris on September 17, 2021, 08:15:07 am
Speed World Champs finals today.
Danyil Boldryev wearing a Edelrid Loopo skimo harness

https://www.edelrid.de/en/sports/sit-harnesses/loopo-lite.html

Jesus, things are like dental floss. hopefully only worn in events, wouldn't want to fall in that too many times, like falling on cheese wire.
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Duma on September 17, 2021, 08:33:46 am
Anyway, proper climbing...
Women's bouldering qualifiers now, livestream for semis tomorrow morning: https://youtu.be/namoHgTJN0M
Finals tomorrow afternoon:
https://youtu.be/M5Qpj86XEsY
Mens semis sun morning:
https://youtu.be/InamGY_UhQ4
Finals Sun afternoon:
https://youtu.be/8i_FOk955c0
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Duma on September 17, 2021, 11:47:15 am
Holly Toothill just missing out on semis (21st by one attempt).

Oriane Bertone well out, interesting how her season has gone after an exceptional start.
Two Russians both in top ten, definitely seem to do well at home.
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: SA Chris on September 17, 2021, 01:16:04 pm
where are you seeing qualifier results?
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: abarro81 on September 17, 2021, 01:26:21 pm
https://www.ifsc-climbing.org/index.php/world-competition/calendar/?task=resultathletes&event=1185&result=7
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: SA Chris on September 17, 2021, 01:57:00 pm
Cheers ABs. Find that site a PitA  to navigate.
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Duma on September 17, 2021, 02:21:34 pm
There's an app that makes it less painful
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Duma on September 17, 2021, 02:22:33 pm
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.ifsc.boulder14
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: SA Chris on September 17, 2021, 04:55:39 pm
Ta.
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: SA Chris on September 17, 2021, 10:27:00 pm
Looks like 3 brits in top 20; Hamish McArthur, Nathan Philips, Billy Ridal.
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: edshakey on September 17, 2021, 11:46:58 pm
Great return for GB men, given the pretty reasonable quality of the field.

Jan Hojer outside even top 40 is a bit bizarre, but form has been hard to judge this year.
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: edshakey on September 18, 2021, 02:33:53 pm
Quote
IFSC OFFICIAL STATEMENT

The International Federation of Sport Climbing (IFSC) would like to deeply apologise to Johanna Farber, Austria Climbing, all the athletes, and the Sport Climbing community for the images that were broadcast today during the women's Boulder semi-final at the IFSC Climbing World Championships Moscow 2021.

The IFSC condemns the objectification of the human body and will take immediate action in order for it to stop, and to protect the athletes.

After meeting with representatives of the Austrian team, IFSC President Marco Scolaris issued the following comment: ''How many times will things have to be done wrong, before we learn how to do them right?''


Didn't we already have something like this this season? I haven't seen it, don't know the details, but sounds like the incident when the camera kept focusing on women's short shorts. Really poor if this is the same again


Edit:: went back through the thread, it was Innsbruck


Edit: Found this:
The host broadcaster, ORF, showed a slow-motion sequence lasting around five seconds zooming in on chalk handprints on the backside of home climber Johanna Färber while she took part in the women’s bouldering semi-final.


Poor Johanna, whatever it is, it involves her again :(
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: J_duds on September 18, 2021, 03:16:03 pm
It was a very similar incident to last time with a slow mo shot of a ladies chalky shorts. The commentators handled it well, with apologies etc., and did say they don't control the footage that is broadcast.
I'd hope the IFSC could control this kind of thing from happening again, but clearly they can't?
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: edshakey on September 18, 2021, 03:25:03 pm
Where the fuck do they find these camera operators? As much as I am critical of IFSC for the quality of coverage over recent years, they shouldn't need to make extra effort to prevent objectifying pictures - that should be well within bare minimum for what you expect for professional TV crew. I don't know what IFSC could do other than ask all camera operators if they had any overtly inappropriate shots planned! Completely ridiculous that it's managed to happen twice in a season
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Fiend on September 18, 2021, 04:03:57 pm
Timestamp??
 
(To be better informed to join in the outrage...)
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: edshakey on September 18, 2021, 04:15:10 pm
Video is private/removed now, so can't help you there i'm afraid.

I imagine they will reupload an edited version? Think that's what happened with Innsbruck
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Duma on September 18, 2021, 04:32:42 pm
This won't help you fiend, but I think it's on Jan hikers IG stories
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Bradders on September 18, 2021, 04:37:08 pm
Rachel Carr put it on her IG story and it's as bad as it sounds.
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Fiend on September 18, 2021, 04:47:04 pm
Video is private/removed now, so can't help you there i'm afraid.

I imagine they will reupload an edited version? Think that's what happened with Innsbruck
An edited short of just the pervy camera-work?? Sheesh, I might have actually wanted to see a bit of the semis climbing too  :blink:
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Bradders on September 18, 2021, 04:49:10 pm
NSFW  :
On a positive note, Andrea Kumin on W1!  :jaw:
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Duma on September 18, 2021, 06:23:33 pm
Spoilers:
NSFW  :
enjoyed that, good psyche while on the home board. Natalia obvs was the deserved winner, but Camilla was the star for sure. Bit gutted for Stasa when she dropped the top of W3, but it didn't make a difference in the end anyway.
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: GraemeA on September 18, 2021, 09:21:01 pm
where are you seeing qualifier results?

Best place for results if https://ifsc.results.info/admin/events#/
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Duma on September 19, 2021, 08:15:45 am
Mens semis live now
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: edshakey on September 19, 2021, 09:07:57 am
Spoiler
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That heel to top M1 for Hamish :jaw:

Then as I type this, Manu Cornu immediately does it straight after, impressive stuff
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Fiend on September 19, 2021, 09:16:57 am
Mens semis live now
Christ, is the cameraman zooming in on those too?? They really have no shame  :o
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: edshakey on September 19, 2021, 09:23:11 am
Fuck fuck fuck

That fall look awful. Not much of a spoiler - Minyoung Lee coming off M4, thoroughly whipped his back the wrong way on landing, immediately appearing to be in lots of pain.

TV director still showed a replay, because why wouldn't you :-\

For anyone curious (this up your street Fiend?), it was approx 1hr 20 into the stream, Korean athlete on boulder on left of stage, towards the end of the 5 min rotation. Really not nice though
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Fiend on September 19, 2021, 09:52:46 am
Definitely not up my street. Thanks, will know to avoid it if I watch on catch-up.
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: GraemeA on September 19, 2021, 01:39:26 pm
That fall look awful.

Latest news is the CT scan shows no problem. They are waiting for the blood test result
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: edshakey on September 19, 2021, 02:56:45 pm
That fall look awful.

Latest news is the CT scan shows no problem. They are waiting for the blood test result


Great news, thanks for the update. Such a shame, to injure yourself in celebration - gonna make me pause next time i'm at the wall and finishing a problem, I can't get the image out of my head  :(
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Durbs on September 20, 2021, 12:09:49 pm
Horrendous fall and arse-gate aside (not to diminish either), both Finals were excellent IMHO.

So, SO refreshing to get decent commentary, both co-commentators Alex and Sofya were excellent, and Matt was solid.
Please, let us never hear from Jonny Bryan ever again.

Perhaps a little too jumpy in the men's, but both were great comps, well set, exciting moments, different solutions.
Some iffy camera work, showing feet/hands when the excitement was elsewhere, but overall really good.

Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: GraemeA on September 20, 2021, 01:04:47 pm
Lee Minyoung has just finished his 2nd route in Lead Quals. He is currently in 26th although is likely to get bumped out of the semi.

Wow  :2thumbsup: :2thumbsup: :2thumbsup:

(He is the guy that had the hiddeous landing)
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Duma on September 20, 2021, 01:28:50 pm
glad he seems ok.

MTS and Hamish M look like they're through to semis
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: GraemeA on September 20, 2021, 04:07:36 pm
glad he seems ok.

MTS and Hamish M look like they're through to semis

Along with Will and Billy. Jim would have also got through but he missed 2nd clip - the judges scored him but the microphone wasn't working so they could stop him, he got high enough to qualify before he was stopped.
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Duma on September 20, 2021, 04:11:32 pm
ah that's shit! thought it looked weird him only getting to 8 - assumed he'd slipped
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: edshakey on September 20, 2021, 06:10:07 pm
Generally great results today, real shame about Jim. If anyone finds a vid of it, I'd appreciate a link - must have been climbing quick to just breeze right past
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: sherlock on September 21, 2021, 11:26:06 am
Looks like Seoul has been cancelled next month, think that makes Natalia overall bouldering champion.
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Duma on September 21, 2021, 11:38:08 am
Good semis - excellent result from Hamish again! Shame the women all split at the same point, seems really shit for final places at the world champs to be decided on countback or time. Are there appeals ongoing? - Men's final startlist is out but women's still showing no data on the app.
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Duma on September 21, 2021, 11:40:20 am
The app has updated to move Salome up from 39+ to 40, and Molly down from 39+ to 39

makes it look a bit less shit - only 4 women on 39+ instead of 6...
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: edshakey on September 21, 2021, 02:24:46 pm
Incredible from Hamish, getting the only top is crazy. Excited for tonight!
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Wood FT on September 21, 2021, 07:00:24 pm
Great comp. worth a watch on. At iplayer catch up
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: edshakey on September 21, 2021, 07:04:21 pm
Great comp. worth a watch on. At iplayer catch up

Agreed, very exciting.

Spoiler
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I was a mess watching that, haven't been so nervous in ages. Well done Hamish, incredible result - we don't have many British world championship medalists!

Shame the route was a bit soft with the bunched results at the top, but exciting nonetheless.

Lucky there's no Brits in the women's, my nerves couldn't take that  ;D
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: IanP on September 21, 2021, 10:08:06 pm
Great comp. worth a watch on. At iplayer catch up

Agreed, very exciting.

Spoiler
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I was a mess watching that, haven't been so nervous in ages. Well done Hamish, incredible result - we don't have many British world championship medalists!

Shame the route was a bit soft with the bunched results at the top, but exciting nonetheless.

Lucky there's no Brits in the women's, my nerves couldn't take that  ;D

Do we need spoiler warnings? Surely anybody who doesn't want to know what's happened is not clicking on this thread  :???:

Anyway, great stuff.

NSFW  :
Super impressive from Hamish to perform at the top level over every round, looks like a real talent.
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Bradders on September 22, 2021, 10:39:38 am
Great comp. worth a watch on. At iplayer catch up

Agreed, very exciting.

Spoiler
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I was a mess watching that, haven't been so nervous in ages. Well done Hamish, incredible result - we don't have many British world championship medalists!

Shame the route was a bit soft with the bunched results at the top, but exciting nonetheless.

Lucky there's no Brits in the women's, my nerves couldn't take that  ;D

Yep, great comp, amazing performance from Hamish.

On the women's, worth mentioning how unfortunate Molly TS was. Got to the same point as at least 2 of the other finalists, in a quicker time, yet somehow was marked down and missed out. Suspicious that the Russian athlete Dinara was the one who made it through, but there we go.
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: edshakey on September 22, 2021, 10:48:23 am
Do we need spoiler warnings? Surely anybody who doesn't want to know what's happened is not clicking on this thread  :???:

Probably would be fine, but just in case some people got their times wrong and thought it might be later in the eve? Rather add the tag than ruin someone's evening entertainment!

On the women's, worth mentioning how unfortunate Molly TS was. Got to the same point as at least 2 of the other finalists, in a quicker time, yet somehow was marked down and missed out. Suspicious that the Russian athlete Dinara was the one who made it through, but there we go.

I suppose it's times like these we call out for the insider knowledge from Graeme  :please:
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: galpinos on September 22, 2021, 11:46:06 am
On the women's, worth mentioning how unfortunate Molly TS was. Got to the same point as at least 2 of the other finalists, in a quicker time, yet somehow was marked down and missed out. Suspicious that the Russian athlete Dinara was the one who made it through, but there we go.

I suppose it's times like these we call out for the insider knowledge from Graeme  :please:

Agreed. I thought she seemed hard done by (as did she as per her Insta) so some reasoning would be nice.
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: GraemeA on September 23, 2021, 12:08:16 pm
I suppose it's times like these we call out for the insider knowledge from Graeme  :please:

No comment from me about the outcome of reviewing all the scores of athletes bunched around that area other than Dinara's nationality had nowt to do with anything (anyway she is not Russian , she represents CFR!). No one from the host nation had anything to do with the decisions.
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Duma on September 23, 2021, 12:20:41 pm
CFR is climbing federation of Russia, I'm pretty sure?

Hometown Gubkinsky, in Russia...
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: SA Chris on September 23, 2021, 01:33:51 pm
I think he means CFR not officially being Russia.
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: GraemeA on September 23, 2021, 02:45:20 pm
I think he means CFR not officially being Russia.

I mean that due to the WADA ruling Russia/Russian etc was not seen or mentioned during the whole event. Just like there were no athletes reprsenting Russia in Tokyo , they were all representing the ROC.

But the main point was that Dinara did not get preferential treatment due to being on home soil.
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: SA Chris on September 24, 2021, 10:31:49 am
Finally got round to watching Men's final. Hamish looked nervous and wobbly compared to the other competitors, amazing gutsy tenacity hanging on and doing as well as he did, brilliant effort. Bit more top level exposure will hopefully help with this though.
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Fiend on September 24, 2021, 10:38:24 am
Caught up on the bouldering. Great stuff, one of the best ones I've seen recently. Even Matt Groom's commentary is getting more tolerable. Only the slightly annoying action-missing close-ups on hands and feet were a detraction. Highlights included, good variety of problems, some really cool moves, interesting diverse beta, Camilla's exuberant vibes, Stasa's toblerone, and the men's winner JFC that was impressive, Garbret style next level!
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: danm on September 24, 2021, 01:57:39 pm
If I'm honest I don't usually follow the comps, but tuned in to see Hamish in the final. I ended up being as gripped watching it as I've ever been following any sport on TV. To me it looked as though he was more bunched on that final move as he's tall, which lead to the dry fire off the hold as he made the pop?

Either way, it feels like we have a team of contenders rather than one big name, which bodes well for the future. Exciting to see what Lorraine and the team can help the athletes achieve with the UK Sport funding they've secured.
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Bradders on September 24, 2021, 03:20:42 pm
I'm excited to see Natalia v Janja next season. Natalia in both boulder and lead just seemed to be moving with a similar sort of ease to Janja, so I reckon if she maintains her progression it'll be tight between those two next year! Be nice to see Janja given a good run for her money.
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: wasbeen on September 24, 2021, 04:05:03 pm
I wonder if it is possible for a female over 5'5" to make it at the top level these days. I can't think of any Ondra'esque outliers and it seems to me that all the new extrants to the scene are close to 5 foot.
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: teestub on September 24, 2021, 04:24:40 pm
Not sure how much of an outlier Ondra is in terms of height, when at least 3 inches of it is just neck, with little associated weight disadvantage 😂
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: wasbeen on September 24, 2021, 04:37:13 pm
Good point.

My suspicion is that we will see climbers reaching the top level at a younger and younger age. Then drop out as they finish growing.

It has got the recipe for eating disorders written all over it.

One positive to the speed climbing was at least it gave a bit of advantage to raw burl.

Currently it seems the issue of weight/height is the elephant in the room. But from what I can see, once they get to 5"5' female climbers might as well hang up their competitive climbing shoes.
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Duma on September 24, 2021, 05:48:36 pm
Stasa Gejo
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Bradders on September 24, 2021, 06:00:01 pm
Good point.

My suspicion is that we will see climbers reaching the top level at a younger and younger age. Then drop out as they finish growing.

It has got the recipe for eating disorders written all over it.

One positive to the speed climbing was at least it gave a bit of advantage to raw burl.

Currently it seems the issue of weight/height is the elephant in the room. But from what I can see, once they get to 5"5' female climbers might as well hang up their competitive climbing shoes.

Why can men be successful >5' 5", but women can't?

Just doesn't make sense to me.
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: wasbeen on September 24, 2021, 06:06:14 pm
I think there are a few factors. The most obvious is power to weight.

However, I also think that setters set for the shortest climbers to avoid stopper moves. However this disadvantages taller/heavier climbers on all other moves.

It is interesting that British rowing have minimum height requirements for selection to their talent programmes. I wonder if the opposite is the future for climbing.
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: wasbeen on September 24, 2021, 06:11:38 pm
Stasa Gejo

I suspect bouldering is a bit more forgiving than lead.

A
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Fiend on September 24, 2021, 07:02:14 pm
However, I also think that setters set for the shortest climbers to avoid stopper moves. However this disadvantages taller/heavier climbers on all other moves.
Definitely NOT always the case and you just have to watch some recent comps to see it. I think it was the Austrian Graz comp where the women had to spring onto an arms outstretched slab to start a problem and the shorter ones that could only just touch holds with fingertips were pretty fucked. Nimrod Marcus on M3 in the recent IFSC another example. Although clearly the routesetters generally aim to do a good job, with the modern style of setting - often sparse holds (no little jibs to spare) and sometimes long moves - the shorter climber seems to have as much disadvantage as the longer climbers occasionally getting bunched up into cramped spaces.
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: wasbeen on September 24, 2021, 07:12:20 pm
Yes you are right. But I think what is forgotten is that even on the moves that are not bunched or stretched. Shorter climbers have a weight advantage. Less so in bouldering which requires more power and less endurance.

In my mind, Laura Rogora climbed like a punter in the recent lead comp and still came third. Unfortunately, being small and light acccounts for a lot.
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Fiend on October 01, 2021, 08:10:09 pm
Caught up on the Lead, somewhat belatedly. A great end to the season despite the somewhat experimental performance art bollox of the choice of camera cuts (yes the audience are fascinating BUT NOT AS MUCH AS THE FUCKING MOVES WE'RE TRYING TO WATCH). The actually footage of the climbing was good, the routes were good and varied, the highlight was probably the squirmy techy headwall of the Mens, despite the relative lack of separation it was always exciting to see that bit. Excellent work by Hamish ofc. Also, Matt Groom's commentary is definitely improving, maybe he's got inspired by the "surely this is satire" blethering horror of the Olympic commentator and that's put a boot up his arse to stay away from that, but at any rate it was more palatable than usual with even a few nice insights (and the co-commentator suggesting that a competitor get two pluses for two really good lunges for a hold had me laughing out loud).

Kinda sad the season is over TBH. IFSC have done a great job taking into account the lingering malign of covid and the shadow of the Olympics. In fact Graeme can have a wad point for being part of it  :icon_beerchug:
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: arast on October 23, 2021, 07:04:56 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7iV9XxqUEs

European Lead Finals just starting with Jim, Alex and Max having qualified in 1st, 3rd and 5th respectively
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: Duma on October 23, 2021, 07:50:35 pm
Womens final was appalling!
Title: Re: IFSC 2021
Post by: edshakey on October 23, 2021, 08:15:33 pm
I really hope nobody falls off this men's start, would be very unlucky. Slovenian kid nearly did  :'(
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