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the shizzle => bouldering => Topic started by: andy_e on July 15, 2015, 11:51:51 am
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Hopefully this list will be a lot longer than the following I can think of off the top of my head...
Shauna Coxsey - New Base Line 8B+
Mina Leslie-Wujastyk - ? don't know her hardest problem!
Michaela Tracey - The Dark Room 8A
Please help me fill in the gaps!
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Don't think Mina's done 8B
think your grade cut off is a bit high if you want a comparable list to the men >=8B, 7Cish would be closer to the mark I think
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Leah Crane - Tourniquet 8A
Ella Russell - Ben's Roof Extension 8A? (Long for a boulder and potential grade squabbling about knees aside, still a bloody good effort)
Think you're not going to find many more though, cut-off probably too high.
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Is 7C not a little too low? What about 7C+?
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i thought turniquet had settled down at 7c+
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Jemma Powell - Corridors of Power?
Tourniquet still gets 8A, used to be 7C+ then broke and went to 8A+ and broke again so it's back down to 8A.
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Jemma Powell - Corridors of Power?
Tourniquet still gets 8A, used to be 7C+ then broke and went to 8A+ and broke again so it's back down to 8A.
that's where I've got confused. i had remembered you being upset about it "only" getting 7c+ at some point
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Thought CoP had settled at 7C+ now. I think 7C is a better cut off point
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Is this another "in the last five years" list? If not Naomi Guy and Claire Murphy both climbed 8a+ (http://climbingaway.fr/en/climbers/claire-murphy) in the US. Remarkable how ahead of their time they were
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Let it run to all time above 8A, but last five years for 7C...
(Do I have to compile it all as I started the thread? Oh bollocks...)
8B+
Shauna Coxsey - New Base Line
8B
8A+
Naomi Guy - ?
Claire Murphy - a V12 in Hueco beginning with C I think? I forget...
8A
Michaela Tracy (Tracey?) - The Dark Room
Leah Crane - Tourniquet
Ella Russell - Ben's Roof Extension
7C+/8A
Jemma Powell - Corridors of Power
7C+
7C
Charlotte Telfer - Jess's Roof at the very least
I think I saw some videos of some welsh beasts cruising 7Cs...
Plenty of info to add!
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Emma Flaherty has climbed 7c+ I'm pretty sure and bags of 7cs
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Mina - 8A+ (lethal design plus more)
Jo Allen - 7C (the pinch plus more)
Emma Twyford - 7C (Rock Atrocity) Maybe something harder??
Jules Littlefair - 7C (Ben's Roof)
Dark Room and Ben's Ext may need grade adjustments, or slash grades, to reflect recent consensus.
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Claire Bell (née Murphy) climbed Chbalanke (V12, now considered V11) some years ago. Also Sarah Sit Start around the same time.
She's now got two kids and is still climbing at least V9 https://vimeo.com/84074091
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Jo allen - pinch crag x
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Jemma Powell, Stone Temple Pilots 8A
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Steph shepard painted black 7C
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Righto...
8B+
Shauna Coxsey - New Base Line
8B
8A+
Naomi Guy - ?
Claire Murphy - Chbalanke, Sarah SS
Mina Leslie-Wujastyk - Lethal Design
8A
Jemma Powell - Stone Temple Pilots
Leah Crane - Tourniquet
7C+/8A
Ella Russell - Ben's Roof Extension
Michaela Tracy (Tracey?) - The Dark Room
7C+
Emma Flaherty - ?
7C
Charlotte Telfer - Jess's Roof at the very least
Jo Allen - The Pinch
Emma Twyford - Rock Atrocity
Jules Littlefair - Ben's Roof
Steph Shepard - Painted Black (Do you mean Paint It Black Haydn?)
I think I saw some videos of some welsh beasts cruising 7Cs...
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Tara Hayes - 7C in Font on her first trip there.
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I think I saw some videos of some welsh beasts cruising 7Cs...
Maybe some of the women on these videos? https://vimeo.com/user25237610/videos/page:1/sort:date
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Katy Whittaker has done some 7Cs no? Ben's Wall?
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I think I saw some videos of some welsh beasts cruising 7Cs...
Maybe some of the women on these videos? https://vimeo.com/user25237610/videos/page:1/sort:date
That's the ones! Ta. Charlie Torrance and Michelle someone?
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penny orr did dr crimp last year in chironico
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Diane Merrick, a number of 7cs, including
https://vimeo.com/102657092
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Steph shepard Shepherd Holland painted black 7C
Paint it black 7C, Mirf's Roof 7C and Ben's Roof 7C+
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Nia Fletcher - Trailer Trash 7C+ - St. Bees
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Debbie Corbett - Ben's roof (3 years ago?), Rock Atrocity (4/5 years ago?)
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Good, good, keep it coming!
8B+
Shauna Coxsey - New Base Line
8B
8A+
Naomi Guy - ?
Claire Murphy - Chbalanke, Sarah SS
Mina Leslie-Wujastyk - Lethal Design
8A
Jemma Powell - Stone Temple Pilots
Leah Crane - Tourniquet
7C+/8A
Ella Russell - Ben's Roof Extension
Michaela Tracy (Tracey?) - The Dark Room
7C+
Emma Flaherty - ?
Steph Holland - Ben's Roof
Jules Littlefair - Ben's Roof
Nia Fletcher - Trailer Trash
Debbie Corbett - Ben's Roof
7C
Charlotte Telfer - Jess's Roof at the very least
Jo Allen - The Pinch
Emma Twyford - Rock Atrocity
Charlie Torrance - Rock Atrocity, Fish Pie
Michelle someoneorother - Rock atrocity
Diane Merrick - Paint it Black and more
Penny Orr - Dr. Crimp
Tara Hayes - something in Font
Maybes/probablies
Katy Whittaker
Lucy Creamer?
Anna I forget her surname, climbs at the depot?
Charlotte Garden?
Naomi Buys - did she do Tourniquet or something?
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Katy Whittaker has done some 7Cs no? Ben's Wall?
She's done The Angel's Share, given 7C I think.
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Tara Hayes - 7C in Font on her first trip there.
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Just asked her which - Ecialle de Line, which she says is soft and given 7B+ in some guides.
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Diane Merrick has also done Ben's Roof. But I didn't think that anybody considered it to be 7c+ anymore.
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Charlote garden hannible 7C
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Katy whittaker did walk on by http://www.ukclimbing.com/news/item.php?id=66928
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Katy Whittaker has done some 7Cs no? Ben's Wall?
She's done The Angel's Share, given 7C I think.
Walk On By too I think.
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just to add more to the K Whiddy fanfare did she not flash Shirley's Shining Temple, 7C+? :bow:
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Lucinda Whittaker - at 7C+ with Ben's Roof and Caroline (Rocklands), maybe others?
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But I didn't think that anybody considered it to be 7c+ anymore.
Everyones first/only 7c+ - check
A grade easier than any other 7c+s on Peak limestone - check
About the same difficulty as the 7cs at the same crag - check
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Pretty sure Emma Twyford climbed Lotus 7C+ earlier this year and Emma Flaherty has climbed a number of 7C+s including Lou Ferrino (and maybe harder)
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mrs rodma did sprung 3 years ago, but it's so easy to work/read (given you can reach almost every hold) that some people seem to think it's easier.
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Does Mrs Rodma have a name? :)
That reminds me to try Sprung...
Good info, keep it coming.
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Pretty sure Esther Seddon has done 7c. Might be rock atrocity? Not quite sure
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8B+
Shauna Coxsey - New Base Line
8B
8A+
Naomi Guy - ?
Claire Murphy - Chbalanke, Sarah SS
Mina Leslie-Wujastyk - Lethal Design
8A
Jemma Powell - Stone Temple Pilots
Leah Crane - Tourniquet
7C+/8A
Ella Russell - Ben's Roof Extension
Michaela Tracy - The Dark Room
7C+
Emma Flaherty - ?
Nia Fletcher - Trailer Trash
Katy Whittaker - Shirley's Shining Temple (flash)
Emma Twyford - Lotus
Lucinda Whittaker - Caroline
7C
Charlotte Telfer - Jess's Roof
Jo Allen - The Pinch
Charlie Torrance - Rock Atrocity, Fish Pie
Michelle someoneorother - Rock Atrocity
Diane Merrick - Paint it Black and more
Penny Orr - Dr. Crimp
Tara Hayes - Ecialle de Line
Charlotte Garden - Hannibal
Esther Seddon - Rock Atrocity
Debbie Corbett - Ben's Roof
Steph Holland - Ben's Roof
Jules Littlefair - Ben's Roof
"Mrs Rodma" - Sprung
Alison Monks - Sprung, Coronary Bypass
Maybes/probablies
Lucy Creamer?
Anna I forget her surname, climbs at the depot?
Naomi Buys - did she do Tourniquet or something?
Suzan Dudink surely!
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Dudink must've Shirley done something recently, since she did plenty 7cs and up back in the day.
What about Katy mundy?
Mrs rodma is anna trybis
Has rae Cowie managed anything hard enough recently? Again surely she climbed plenty hard enough back in the day.
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Sprung is not 7C, it's 7B+ tops.
Lucy Creamer did a trav somewhere in France which she called Trente Six and gave 7C+
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I guess dalvinder's ticks are too long back?
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Michelle somoneorother = michelle wardle
Charlie Torrance has done fish pie @ pigeons too. It's either hard 7B+ or soft 7C. I'd err towards 7C though.
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is Dr Crimp really considered 7c? 95 ascentionists reckon 7b on 8a.spew
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Ruth Smitton did Bens Roof a couple of years ago.
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8B+
Shauna Coxsey - New Base Line
8B
8A+
Naomi Guy - ?
Claire Murphy - Chbalanke, Sarah SS
Mina Leslie-Wujastyk - Lethal Design
8A
Jemma Powell - Stone Temple Pilots
Leah Crane - Tourniquet
7C+/8A
Ella Russell - Ben's Roof Extension
Michaela Tracy - The Dark Room
7C+
Emma Flaherty - ?
Nia Fletcher - Trailer Trash
Katy Whittaker - Shirley's Shining Temple (flash)
Emma Twyford - Lotus
Lucinda Whittaker - Caroline
Lucy Creamer - Trente Six
7C
Charlotte Telfer - Jess's Roof
Jo Allen - The Pinch
Charlie Torrance - Rock Atrocity, Fish Pie
Michelle Wardle - Rock Atrocity
Diane Merrick - Paint it Black and more
Penny Orr - Dr. Crimp
Tara Hayes - Ecialle de Line
Charlotte Garden - Hannibal
Esther Seddon - Rock Atrocity
Debbie Corbett - Ben's Roof
Steph Holland - Ben's Roof
Jules Littlefair - Ben's Roof
Ruth Smitton - Ben's Roof
Anna Trybis - Sprung
Alison Monks - Sprung, Coronary Bypass
Maybes/probablies
Anna I forget her surname, climbs at the depot?
Naomi Buys - did she do Tourniquet or something?
Suzan Dudink surely!
Dalvinder Sodhi?
Katy Mundy?
Rae Cowie?
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Off the top of my head, Emma Flaherty has done:
7c+
Lou Ferrino
Caroline
Weichei
Loaded with power
Fingerhut
7c
Rock atrocity
Bens roof
Resident evil
Last day in paradise
Welcome to Tijuana
Supplement d'armes assis
Coup de force
I've probably forgotten some others there.
But more importantly, her second name is actually Banks.
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In spite of which she remains an excellent climber :)
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But more importantly, her second name is actually Banks.
good wedding that :oops:
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Dudink must've Shirley done something recently, since she did plenty 7cs and up back in the day.
Yeah fo sho, she's climbed upto 8A+ and is still pretty active.
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8B+
Shauna Coxsey - New Base Line
8B
8A+
Naomi Guy - ?
Claire Murphy - Chbalanke, Sarah SS
Mina Leslie-Wujastyk - Lethal Design
Suzan Dudink - ?
8A
Jemma Powell - Stone Temple Pilots
Leah Crane - Tourniquet
7C+/8A
Ella Russell - Ben's Roof Extension
Michaela Tracy - The Dark Room
7C+
Emma Flaherty - Lou Ferrino, Caroline, Weichei, Loaded With Power, Fingerhut
Nia Fletcher - Trailer Trash
Katy Whittaker - Shirley's Shining Temple (flash)
Emma Twyford - Lotus
Lucinda Whittaker - Caroline
Lucy Creamer - Trente Six
7C
Charlotte Telfer - Jess's Roof
Jo Allen - The Pinch
Charlie Torrance - Rock Atrocity, Fish Pie
Michelle Wardle - Rock Atrocity
Diane Merrick - Paint it Black and more
Penny Orr - Dr. Crimp
Tara Hayes - Ecialle de Line
Charlotte Garden - Hannibal
Esther Seddon - Rock Atrocity
Debbie Corbett - Ben's Roof
Steph Holland - Ben's Roof
Jules Littlefair - Ben's Roof
Ruth Smitton - Ben's Roof
Anna Trybis - Sprung
Alison Monks - Sprung, Coronary Bypass
Maybes/probablies
Anna I forget her surname, climbs at the depot?
Naomi Buys - did she do Tourniquet or something?
Dalvinder Sodhi?
Katy Mundy?
Rae Cowie?
There must be more than this!
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Lily FG climbed 7c in August 2010 so scrapes in by a whisker.
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Cheers Dave.
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8B+
Shauna Coxsey - New Base Line
8B
8A+
Naomi Guy - ?
Claire Murphy - Chbalanke, Sarah SS
Mina Leslie-Wujastyk - Lethal Design
Suzan Dudink - ?
8A
Jemma Powell - Stone Temple Pilots
Leah Crane - Tourniquet
7C+/8A
Ella Russell - Ben's Roof Extension
Michaela Tracy - The Dark Room
7C+
Emma Flaherty - Lou Ferrino, Caroline, Weichei, Loaded With Power, Fingerhut
Nia Fletcher - Trailer Trash
Katy Whittaker - Shirley's Shining Temple (flash)
Emma Twyford - Lotus
Lucinda Whittaker - Caroline
Lucy Creamer - Trente Six
7C
Charlotte Telfer - Jess's Roof
Jo Allen - The Pinch
Charlie Torrance - Rock Atrocity, Fish Pie
Michelle Wardle - Rock Atrocity
Diane Merrick - Paint it Black and more
Penny Orr - Dr. Crimp
Tara Hayes - Ecialle de Line
Charlotte Garden - Hannibal
Esther Seddon - Rock Atrocity
Debbie Corbett - Ben's Roof
Steph Holland - Ben's Roof
Jules Littlefair - Ben's Roof
Ruth Smitton - Ben's Roof
Anna Trybis - Sprung
Alison Monks - Sprung, Coronary Bypass
Lily Fitzgibbon - ?
Maybes/probablies
Anna I forget her surname, climbs at the depot?
Naomi Buys - did she do Tourniquet or something?
Dalvinder Sodhi?
Katy Mundy?
Rae Cowie?
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Rae's done Ben's Roof (at least), and far more impressively - she's done Powerband, which is several grades harder than Ben's if we're honest
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I think she might have done strict blueband, but that might be bollocks
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Also, cant remember her name, but Joe Lesage's bird must have done something hard?
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If only there were some software available that allowed a web-page editable by anyone to be created and updated as required for these lists to save reposting a growing list repeatedly.
I've set up the structure and started filling in from the different threads (got work to do so don't have time to do it all now)
UK Cream of the Crop (http://ukbouldering.com/wiki/index.php/UK_Cream_of_the_Crop#Bouldering)
Anyone bothered with copying the rest over and/or updating might find the information on spanning rows in Wikimedia mark-up (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Table#Combined_use_of_COLSPAN_and_ROWSPAN) useful, because without using rowspan for the cells in the grade column its tricky to start a new line within a tables cell for multiple entries within a grade.
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Une Rhyme Stupide is another 7c+ for Emma F that I'd forgotten about.
I think Lily's 7c was Man of A Cow. (And possibly others?)
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Ah, I was probably there then!
OK, latest info:
8B+
Shauna Coxsey - New Base Line
8B
8A+
Naomi Guy - ?
Claire Murphy - Chbalanke, Sarah SS
Mina Leslie-Wujastyk - Lethal Design
Suzan Dudink - ?
8A
Jemma Powell - Stone Temple Pilots
Leah Crane - Tourniquet
7C+/8A
Ella Russell - Ben's Roof Extension
Michaela Tracy - The Dark Room
7C+
Emma Flaherty - Lou Ferrino, Caroline, Weichei, Loaded With Power, Fingerhut
Nia Fletcher - Trailer Trash
Katy Whittaker - Shirley's Shining Temple (flash)
Emma Twyford - Lotus
Lucinda Whittaker - Caroline
Lucy Creamer - Trente Six
7C
Charlotte Telfer - Jess's Roof
Jo Allen - The Pinch
Charlie Torrance - Rock Atrocity, Fish Pie
Michelle Wardle - Rock Atrocity
Diane Merrick - Paint it Black and more
Penny Orr - Dr. Crimp
Tara Hayes - Ecialle de Line
Charlotte Garden - Hannibal
Esther Seddon - Rock Atrocity
Debbie Corbett - Ben's Roof
Steph Holland - Ben's Roof
Jules Littlefair - Ben's Roof
Ruth Smitton - Ben's Roof
Rae Cowie - Powerband, Ben's Roof
Anna Trybis - Sprung
Alison Monks - Sprung, Coronary Bypass
Lily Fitzgibbon - Man of Cow
Maybes/probablies
Anna I forget her surname, climbs at the depot?
Naomi Buys - did she do Tourniquet or something?
Dalvinder Sodhi?
Katy Mundy?
Mrs. Sausage?
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Katie Maxwell did Bens Roof last year.
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Ta. Going to start a new list, "UK women who haven't done Ben's Roof" as there's probably only two or three names on that list.
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Didn't Leach Crane do a new 8A in Spain a year or two ago as well? It was on the web/in the mags??
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Suzan Dudink -tea with elmarie (8a+, rocklands)
of course she deserves respect for that, and that is why she is the first Dutch woman to boulder 7C,7C+,8A and 8A+
(sent from amsterdam ) :-\
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Claire Curling? No idea what she's done but 8A according to her UKC profile
http://www.ukclimbing.com/forums/profile.php?id=52023
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Good sleuthing. She always looks some miserable and focused in her photos so 8A sounds legit to me.
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Emma F did Royksopp in Rocklands yesterday.
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Just saw on FB that Holly Rees did Caroline 7c+ today so you can add her to the list. :dance1:
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Eh?
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+1 on the eh?
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:lol:
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Emma F did Royksopp in Rocklands yesterday.
Boom. Hope you guys are having a good trip. Sounds like you are by the big numbers going down.
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+1 on the eh?
Eh to the mother fucking eh? Have I missed some unwritten rule, I'm confused.
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Probably some confusion arising from the thread title and the subsequent revision to 7C not reflected in the thread title! Good reporting skills Mr. Fulton.
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Clocked on UKC logbooks that Ellie Bacmeister has done her first 8A - White Light at Anston
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Good to see the UK Cream of the Crop (http://ukbouldering.wikia.com/wiki/UK_Cream_of_the_Crop) gradually becoming dated.
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Clocked on UKC logbooks that Ellie Bacmeister has done her first 8A - White Light at Anston
Yep, can't say I'm familiar with the problem but she's done it. Some other updates:
Lisa Alhadeff & Frances Bensley have done Ben's Roof.
Holly Rees did Ben's Roof Extension without any kneebars, got to be worth 8A of anyone's money!
I'd edit the wiki but the permissions still seem to be locked down. There's a video of Frances climbing it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kDl5c3Ey-Y
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You can add Rachel Briggs to the wimmin's Font 7C section (Welcome to Tijuana, Apremont Envers). Extra kudos for climbing it in August. No, I'm not biased ;)
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Good effort in spite of being dragged down by the punter she hangs about with.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kDl5c3Ey-Y
Backaround for the dodgy starting position?
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Backaround for the dodgy starting position?
That's the way Kristian starts it.
Good luck arguing it with him
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No intention of arguing it with anyone. It starts LH on the biggish low hold, RH on a small pinch at the same level.
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No intention of arguing it with anyone. It starts LH on the biggish low hold, RH on a small pinch at the same level.
No intention? Really? Why raise it then ?
If you can have your LH in the biggish low hold then matching it to start is neither here nor there
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Becasue it's there.
The move up from the proper start and subsequently moving your feet across are not trivial. This problem needs a defined start because if you just go for "start with whatever you fancy" or "as high as you can reach from sitting" then it's ripe for all kinds of pisstaking, as a few youtube vids will attest to.
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On an unrelated note, sweet mid/late 90's skater / Sharma climbing vid vibe in that Ben's Roof footage with the fisheye.
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Becasue it's there.
The move up from the proper start and subsequently moving your feet across are not trivial. This problem needs a defined start because if you just go for "start with whatever you fancy" or "as high as you can reach from sitting" then it's ripe for all kinds of pisstaking, as a few youtube vids will attest to.
Someone told me about this when I was working it. Having done both, I don't think it really makes any difference personally. Also, just a thought but if people want these things to have defined starts then it needs to be written in the guide / on PB.info to that level of detail. You can't expect people to magically know.
Back on topic, forgot to add that Ella climbed Sleepy Hollow (8A+) (http://climber.co.uk/news/latest-news/ella-russell-gets-a-pb-down-under.html) which I reckon is a pretty big deal!
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you're suggesting that people know the rules before they attempt a problem?
:lol:
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Also, just a thought but if people want these things to have defined starts then it needs to be written in the guide / on PB.info to that level of detail. You can't expect people to magically know.
Are you suggesting that people didn't read the post where Andy Harris clarified the start position as an aside in a post about Keen Roof from 2006? Lazy bastards.
The current guide description looks to be lifted straight from the previous 2003 edition. To be fair it does say "sidepulls", which kind of rules out most of the illegal start positions you see on vids these days. Luckily there's a new edition due.
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Anyway - I liked the vid and she cruised it! Jealous!
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Holly rees(bean) did bens extension no kneebars. Dunno if this already got a mention or not
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Mrs Reprobate (AKA Steph Holland) continued her clean up of the Churnet's hard stuff yesterday with a ridiculously smooth repeat of Witness the Churnetness :great:
In between injuries, over the last few months she's also done The Mentalist (7C), Mirf's Roof (7C), Burly McMirfy (7C+) and Crazy Horses (7C+).
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Mrs Reprobate (AKA Steph Holland) continued her clean up of the Churnet's hard stuff yesterday with a ridiculously smooth repeat of Witness the Churnetness :great:
In between injuries, over the last few months she's also done The Mentalist (7C), Mirf's Roof (7C), Burly McMirfy (7C+) and Crazy Horses (7C+).
impressive stuff :bow: :strongbench:
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Holly rees(bean) did bens extension no kneebars. Dunno if this already got a mention or not
Dual wedding/crushing wad required there! Looked like a great party I missed!
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Frances Bensley did Pilgrim in parisella's cave yesterday. Strong effort. I sieged that thing relentlessly she went yesterday for the first time in months and pathed it.
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Frances Bensley did Pilgrim in parisella's cave yesterday. Strong effort. I sieged that thing relentlessly she went yesterday for the first time in months and pathed it.
Waddage
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This thread has escaped list-ification for too long! Take back control! https://github.com/bourbonspecial/UKStrongPeople/blob/master/women_boulders.md
Pulled in all the latest changes and added a few more that came to mind.
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Mina has climbed 8B, think it was called the pursuit of happiness in SA, Tara Hayes has done Nutsa and The Hatchling, Nia Fletcher has done what seems like everything on the Bowderstone haha-including Fat Lady at 8A+ I believe. Bet there are loads more.
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Ah Molly Thompson Smith did Tsunami and Dead can't dance in the hollow mountain cave.
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Becky Wilby has done Armed Response 8A+ in Rocklands.
Plus a bunch of UK 8As - from her instagram she's done Supergene, Tourniquet and Backhand into Flying Finish, all this year.
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Perhaps time to shorten the list to 8A and up? There are too many 7C's to list.
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K-Whiddy did the Hatchling I’m SA last year... think that’s 8A?
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K-Whiddy did the Hatchling I’m SA last year... think that’s 8A?
Down to 7C/+ in the new book.
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Thanks for the updates https://github.com/bourbonspecial/UKStrongPeople/blob/master/women_boulders.md
What's the thinking on bumping the entry requirements up to 7C+ or even 8A? would make it quite a short list, but maybe 7C is overly long? Is there loads of 7C women out there?
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Thanks for the updates https://github.com/bourbonspecial/UKStrongPeople/blob/master/women_boulders.md
What's the thinking on bumping the entry requirements up to 7C+ or even 8A? would make it quite a short list, but maybe 7C is overly long? Is there loads of 7C women out there?
This list is significantly shorter than either of the two men's lists so seems strange to change the threshold of this one. There if there turns out to be a welter of female 7C ascents then maybe reconsider but at the moment I am finding it interesting just as it is.
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Similar thoughts from me, was just wondering whether my knowledge of women who've climbed 7C is lacking and there's loads missing.
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Rhos has done a few 7C+'s (AWOL Apprentice RH, Caroline, poss some others). Llinos Cassidy has done Fat Cat Roof at Dinas if that is still considered 7C.
I suspect there's lot's of 7C women out there that aren't on the list.
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Must be loads of 7C women. This list hasn't been updated for two years. But perhaps 7C+ is still fairly infrequent.
Some from a quick look on 8a.nu, plus some I knew about...
Jo Allen, Backstreet Mime Artist, 8A, Burbage (remove from 7C list)
Gill Peet, Moreau's Island 7C+/8A, Hyning Wood (her slash, gets 8A elsewhere)
Naomi Cokell, Megalithe 7C+, Font
Charlotte Garden, The Departed and Caroline, 7C+, Rocklands (remove from 7C list)
Rachel Carr, Caroline 7C+, Rocklands
Helen Dudley, Iceberg (aller-detour) 7C+, Font
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Also, from a look on UKC...
Katie Maxwell - Working 9-5 stand & Caroline, both 7C+ (move from 7C list)
Jess bt, Working 9-5 - White Mazda Clan, Eye of Sauron, Weichei, Caroline, all 7C+
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Thanks for the updates https://github.com/bourbonspecial/UKStrongPeople/blob/master/women_boulders.md
Jess bt, Working 9-5 - White Mazda Clan, Eye of Sauron, Weichei, Caroline, all 7C+
Jess is a guy.
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Woops!
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Steph Holland can be bumped up to 8A for Witness the Churnetness
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Kate Ennis- Oreo SS (7C), Vastervik.
I think these lists are great, however, its a shame its doesn't really capture the amount of climbing an individual has done.
For example, the likes of Nia Fletcher, who I personally think is one of the most impressive on this list, she has probably done upwards of 75 7C and above, 10 of which are 8A. (With almost no recognition).
Likewise, Mina, super impressive, consistently climbed hard on a range of styles, rock types and some absolutely world class boulders, racking up one hell of a tick list.
^^ These are the kind of people that get me psyched to go climbing. Good on you.
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Thanks for the updates one and all https://github.com/bourbonspecial/UKStrongPeople/blob/master/women_boulders.md
Totally agree on the volume thing, just plucking the top couple of ascents doesn't do anything to demonstrate consistency at a grade which can be very impressive in it's own right. Tricky to capture it in list form, though, without it getting a bit overboard in terms of maintenance.
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^^ These are the kind of people that get me psyched to go climbing. Good on you.
Preach. Was a privilege to see Nia absolutely smash Fat Lady, really was a blink and you'll miss it moment, then she pretty much just smiled and cracked on with the next one. Awesome.
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Kate Ennis- Oreo SS (7C), Vastervik.
For example, the likes of Nia Fletcher, who I personally think is one of the most impressive on this list, she has probably done upwards of 75 7C and above, 10 of which are 8A. (With almost no recognition)
That must make her one of the most prolific Uk female boulderers ever and hardly anyone’s heard of her.
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I would say so.
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Compared to some with thousands of followers who don’t do a lot.
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https://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/showlog.php?id=97973&sort=g&country=0&crag=0&gradetype=0&partner=0&year=0&season=0&nresults=25&pg=9
Nia's log book (hopefully that should go straight to the boudering)
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https://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/showlog.php?id=97973&sort=g&country=0&crag=0&gradetype=0&partner=0&year=0&season=0&nresults=25&pg=9
Nia's log book (hopefully that should go straight to the boudering)
Fuck me, she's done The Pinch on the back of the Calf. That's enough to put her on the list on its own.
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Holy crap. That's what prolific looks like.
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Frances Bensley joins the top three with Fat Lip.
https://github.com/bourbonspecial/UKStrongPeople/blob/master/women_boulders.md
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Vickie Fringe did Backstreet y'day according to Mrs T_B. Fine effort :weakbench:
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Cool!
https://github.com/bourbonspecial/UKStrongPeople/blob/master/women_boulders.md
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What's the entry requirements for this list now? 7C or 8A?
If it's the former, Evelyn Dearlove climbed Enchantress 7C at Forest Rock today.
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7C, so she's on the list! https://github.com/bourbonspecial/UKStrongPeople/blob/master/women_boulders.md
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Imogen Horrocks has done The Hatchling as well.
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Does that get 7C+ these days? I've added her in with that for the moment https://github.com/bourbonspecial/UKStrongPeople/blob/master/women_boulders.md
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Imogen Horrocks has done The Hatchling as well.
snazzy video here too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gkBge6OPbY
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When you wrote ‘snazzy’ did you actually mean ‘fucking awful’?
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Ha ha I thought you meant this one:
https://youtu.be/MrOHD9ik14o
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Does that get 7C+ these days? I've added her in with that for the moment https://github.com/bourbonspecial/UKStrongPeople/blob/master/women_boulders.md
7c/+ in the new guide (which has far too many slash grades), supposedly depends on if you use a pocket off to the side or not and how big your fingers are.
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7c/+ in the new guide (which has far too many slash grades), supposedly depends on if you use a pocket off to the side or not and how big your fingers are.
That's going to ruin a lot of people's claim to an 8A...
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Imogen Horrocks has done The Hatchling as well.
snazzy video here too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gkBge6OPbY
Made her mark on the international climbing scene by doing a 7C/+?
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7c/+ in the new guide (which has far too many slash grades), supposedly depends on if you use a pocket off to the side or not and how big your fingers are.
That's going to ruin a lot of people's claim to an 8A...
Better cancel my ticket... :D
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Imogen Horrocks has done The Hatchling as well.
snazzy video here too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gkBge6OPbY
:sick: That vid truly embodies almost everything awful about sponsorship in climbing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lgLYGBbDNs
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Roz needs moving up:
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bu-xOUFlaB2/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=1ovyzmftj9dj9
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Roz needs moving up:
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bu-xOUFlaB2/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=1ovyzmftj9dj9
Awesome, thats a proper 8A. Nice one!
When you wrote ‘snazzy’ did you actually mean ‘fucking awful’?
Dear god! As a result, I just checked out her Instagram :badidea:
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When you wrote ‘snazzy’ did you actually mean ‘fucking awful’?
Like moths to a flaming. Ha ha
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Imogen Horrocks has done The Hatchling as well.
snazzy video here too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gkBge6OPbY
That was shameless :sick: I unfollowed her instagram a while back for peddling that coconut water bollocks, felt like I was using an ad blocker.
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A sponsored climber who basically doesn't have climbing pictures. You've got to admit, it's original.
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A sponsored climber who basically doesn't have climbing pictures. You've got to admit, it's original.
No? That's how you do instagram, right?
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Rhos has been bumped up
https://github.com/bourbonspecial/UKStrongPeople/blob/master/women_boulders.md
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Per significatn repeats, Keen Roof for Frances Bensely https://github.com/bourbonspecial/UKStrongPeople/blob/master/women_boulders.md
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Yeah but can you please add an asterix with "easier for the short"? :wank:
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Rachel Carr needs bumping up for God Save My Finger:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BwKlJCbhwSj/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=1ic0bqhlg4jvz
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While you're editing, can you move Jo Allen up from the 7C's?
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Rachel Carr needs bumping up for God Save My Finger:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BwKlJCbhwSj/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=1ic0bqhlg4jvz
While you're editing, can you move Jo Allen up from the 7C's?
Done and done https://github.com/bourbonspecial/UKStrongPeople/blob/master/women_boulders.md
While we're at it on the clean up, does anyone have details of ascents for the following women?
Anna, "climbs at the depot"
Naomi Buys, "did she do Tourniquet or something?"
Dalvinder Sodhi
Katy Mundy
Claire Curling, "8A"
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Anna, "climbs at the depot"
Given that there are 5 or 6 Depots now this one’s got a bit of a needle in a haystack vibe to it...
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Dalvinder did the first female ascent of Brad Pit
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Thanks T_B, https://github.com/bourbonspecial/UKStrongPeople/blob/master/women_boulders.md
Agreed Cheque. This is the post where she's first mentioned so I guess Andy might know her?
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Hazel Findlay joins the ranks with her ascent of Corridors of Power https://github.com/bourbonspecial/UKStrongPeople/blob/master/women_boulders.md
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She says 7C+ on Insta.
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She says 7C+ on Insta.
Sorry, confusing thread name...the list is actually women who have climbed 7C or harder as 8A was too selective. Any chance of a thread name change shark?
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Doh! and it was me that suggested 7C...
Don't think Mina's done 8B
think your grade cut off is a bit high if you want a comparable list to the men >=8B, 7Cish would be closer to the mark I think
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New name for the list:
Emily Fell - Peckitt's Traverse (amongst others)
https://www.instagram.com/p/BW8QVJxDlau/?igshid=yiaiqe7a3cer
Met her and Jonny the other day, lovely couple.
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Rebecca Stephens has done Ash Tree Wall which I believe is 7C? As well as the Noisy Cricket at Stronsay Bank Quarry and Lizard King (7B+/C?)
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well into 50s now! (number on the list, not age).
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Ace! Always good to see some new names on the list https://github.com/bourbonspecial/UKStrongPeople/blob/master/women_boulders.md
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Rachel Daly has done Not Bad Dave, Ash Tree Wall and Hell Boy all at 7C, not bad in her first 2 years of outdoor climbing! Dropped the finishing jug on a 7C+ recently too..
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Rachel Daly has done Not Bad Dave, Ash Tree Wall and Hell Boy all at 7C, not bad in her first 2 years of outdoor climbing! Dropped the finishing jug on a 7C+ recently too..
Not taking anything away from her but First 2 years? Shes been going outside for years. More like 4.
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Rachel Daly has done Not Bad Dave, Ash Tree Wall and Hell Boy all at 7C, not bad in her first 2 years of outdoor climbing! Dropped the finishing jug on a 7C+ recently too..
Now done the extension to Hell Boy
https://www.instagram.com/p/CBwDPQvjLBP/?igshid=bjliw0fimovo
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Paths the undercut section at the start :strongbench:
Kroenen probably isn't far off 8A either. Well good after only two years climbing.
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Strong work! https://github.com/bourbonspecial/UKStrongPeople/blob/master/women_boulders.md
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Rebecca Stephens has done Kroenen (7C+), her first of the grade.
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Also Gwyneth Uttley did Ben's Roof a few weeks ago, not sure what grade that is considered now.
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Thea Cameron has done Grand Opera 7C or 7C+ (unsure what consensus
is) and Tanya Meredith has done Left Wall High 7C.
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Kitty Morrison did Caroline in Rocklands too.
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Thanks for the updates both, exemplary knowledge https://github.com/bourbonspecial/UKStrongPeople/blob/master/women_boulders.md
Ben's is down as 7C on the list. It gets 7C+ on ukc but I think that's just a hold over from the days when people didn't know knees existed.
Grand Opera seems to just tip in to 7C+ on UKC, though if someone wants to make an argument for 7C Im all ears as I've not done it and have no opinion.
Any thoughts on what Caroline gets these days? I haven't seen the new guide, though it seemed pretty generous at 7C+ to me.
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Caroline is 7C+ in the 2018 guide.
Seemed to be the consensus on most places when I was researching problems for a potential trip.
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Grand Opera is easier than Ben's in my opinion but I haven't done ben's with the knee and grand is easier if you're tall. Does that help :lol:
I thought Caroline was 7C but I know a lot consider it 7C+.
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Grand Opera is easier than Ben's in my opinion but I haven't done ben's with the knee and grand is easier if you're tall. Does that help :lol:
Ha, clear as day now!
I'll leave Carloine as 7C+ then.
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I found Grand a lot harder than Impropa and Inaudible Vaudeville, but know others who've had the complete opposite experience.
I'd go with UKC consensus Remus.
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My daughter, Hannah Toward (12) did Tension Set at the cuttings Boulderfield just before lock down (sorry proud dad, again). Thanks to UKB for the suggestion.
https://ukbouldering.com/board/index.php?topic=30509.0
NOTE. It is given 7C+ but a hold broken off last year from the start (see UKC). So she started on an undercut under the start hold. According to a friend who did it the same way and also did the sit start (8B). It is still 7C/+.
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Other people for the list are - Rowanne Bennett-Waters (Dr Crimp, Paint it Black and Power Strips, 7C) and Michelle Greenall (stalker on the Horizon, 7C).
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Rowan Page has done Learning to Fly 8A and Shieldmaiden 8A/7C+ plus a load of 7Cs and 7C+s.
https://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/showlog.php?id=190759&sort=g&country=0&crag=0&gradetype=4&partner=0&year=0&season=0&pg=1&nresults=25
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Rowan Page has done Learning to Fly 8A and Shieldmaiden 8A/7C+ plus a load of 7Cs and 7C+s.
https://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/showlog.php?id=190759&sort=g&country=0&crag=0&gradetype=4&partner=0&year=0&season=0&pg=1&nresults=25
Rowan is a he. Also Shieldmaiden I think could creep in at low end 8A for what its worth, some people have started missing out the first move or two by not sitting, it definitely wouldn't be 8A like that, nor would it be a legitimate ascent imo.
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:oops: :sorry:
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Gracie Martin - Lou Ferrino and Katherine Schirmacher - Brad Pit.
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Good knowledge all https://github.com/bourbonspecial/UKStrongPeople/blob/master/women_boulders.md
Particular congrats to Hannah, not many people her age smashing in 7C+!
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Didn't Shauna do Ropes as well?
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Katherine Schirmacher - Brad Pit.
Old sequance for 8a?
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Didn't Shauna do Ropes as well?
She did yeah but that's eclipsed in this list by New Base Line.
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OK, so you only have more than one problem named if they are all at your maximum grade?
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Yeah think that's the current approach. Otherwise Monkey Boy would have about 50 8Bs listed alongside his handful of 8B+s, for example.
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Ok, fair enough, hopefully no "apex" problem gets a two grade downgrade!
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Yeah think that's the current approach. Otherwise Monkey Boy would have about 50 8Bs listed alongside his handful of 8B+s, for example.
Worth noting that the 'multiple problems for one person' is not very rigorous so there's almost certainly quite a few people who could have multiples listed but don't (especially at the lower grades). I've tended to use it more as a very general indicator of who's more established at a given grade.
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Ruby Petch did The Revolution is Coming (8A) at Hartland today.
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Thanks for the heads up, added her https://github.com/bourbonspecial/UKStrongPeople/blob/master/women_boulders.md
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Gwyneth Uttley did The Revolution is Coming (8A) yesterday.
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Sounds like Hartland is where the action is! https://github.com/bourbonspecial/UKStrongPeople/blob/master/women_boulders.md
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Tess Bennett did Antihero 7C at Forest Rock in June.
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Good knowledge, cheers Orrin. https://github.com/bourbonspecial/UKStrongPeople/blob/master/women_boulders.md
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Rebecca Stephens has climbed Hatchatrocity 8A at Parisella's today
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Rebecca Stephens has climbed Hatchatrocity 8A at Parisella's today
:strongbench: good lass
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I do hope this is the same woman who climbed lots of big mountains and wrote about it
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Mega! She's been smashing it lately! https://github.com/bourbonspecial/UKStrongPeople/blob/master/women_boulders.md
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Really good form lately! I think she's up to three 7C+s and that 8A in the last two months along with a lot of very quick 7Cs
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Liv Pearson did Peckitt’s Traverse at Biblins yesterday. She also did Taylor Made at Dinas (which people are now rightly calling 7c), and a new thing (can’t remember the name) put up by Mr Fyfe a bit ago.
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Great knowledge!
https://github.com/bourbonspecial/UKStrongPeople/blob/master/women_boulders.md
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Anyone know who this is? https://www.instagram.com/p/CFVHlRijzDC looks like a potential new entrant for the list!
Ed: note to self, read the bio next time. Mystery solved.
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Another of my cat sitters makes the list!
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Elle Partington creeping onto the list if you're allowing holiday grades with intermezzo 7C :)
https://www.instagram.com/ellepartington/?hl=en
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Sweet! Strong effort!
https://github.com/bourbonspecial/UKStrongPeople/blob/master/women_boulders.md
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Jen Wood did Hellebore back in June https://www.instagram.com/p/CBJLcePjruw/
Also, does the name of this thread not need to be changed to 'UK women who have bouldered >= 7C'?
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Rachel Daly has done Lycan It 8A
https://www.instagram.com/p/CHyEFnTjUib/
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Thanks for the updates both, added their ascents to the list https://climbing-history.org/
I noticed on UKC that Jen's done quite a few 7Cs so added those in as well.
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Do the Lambrini and Tau Zero are 7B+ in the new guide I think Remus
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Do the Lambrini and Tau Zero are 7B+ in the new guide I think Remus
Thanks, didnt realise they'd changed. I've updated them on the list.
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Does anyone know the youngest UK woman / girl to climb 8A was / is?
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Hmm, good question. A few candidates from the list:
Molly TS did Dead Cant' Dance around may 2017, I think she's early 20s now, so that'd make her somewhere between 18-22 at the time.
Rebecca Stephens is at uni and has done hathatrocity recently, so she's somewhere between 18 and 22.
Ruby Petch is 18 and did The Revolution is Coming this year https://www.instagram.com/p/CDR6uXADsps/
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I know of one 12ish girl who has done 7C, which is quite a lot less than 18 - I assumed someone 15-16 might’ve ticked one...
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Think Remuss reply is 8A.
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I know of one 12ish girl who has done 7C, which is quite a lot less than 18 - I assumed someone 15-16 might’ve ticked one...
You thinking of Hannah Toward? https://climbing-history.org/climber/375 Or is there another young wad on the scene?
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No, Livvy Gent - Mr Poppers
https://www.chimeraclimbing.com/posts/the-project (https://www.chimeraclimbing.com/posts/the-project)
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Cool! Added her to the list https://climbing-history.org/climber/531
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Does anyone know the youngest UK woman / girl to climb 8A was / is?
Coxsey climbed Pilgrim age 18.
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Gwyneth Uttley, Naomi Cokell, Katherine Schirrmacher, Malcolm Smith, Mathew Wright, Molly Thompson-Smith, Rhoslyn Frugtniet, Anne Arran, Frances Bensley & Mina Leslie-Wujastyk all have incorrectly-spelt names in your list Remus. Dave MacLeod, Lily Fitzgibbon & James Noble are missing capitals from their surnames. :smartass:
Also sports climbing? :-\
https://www.chimeraclimbing.com/posts/the-project (https://www.chimeraclimbing.com/posts/the-project)
Great bit of bullshit in that first paragraph about all climbers having a project. This is from a climbing wall website too, they know full well that most climbers are content to bumble about aimlessly.
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I didn't really read it - I was just interested in the numbers. Ashima did a v11 when she was 9 apparently. There must be some UK comp teenagers who've done an 8A?
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Gwyneth Uttley, Naomi Cokell, Katherine Schirrmacher, Malcolm Smith, Mathew Wright, Molly Thompson-Smith, Rhoslyn Frugtniet, Anne Arran, Frances Bensley & Mina Leslie-Wujastyk all have incorrectly-spelt names in your list Remus. Dave MacLeod, Lily Fitzgibbon & James Noble are missing capitals from their surnames. :smartass:
Also sports climbing? :-\
Amazing! Great attention to detail, corrected all those (except for sport/s climbing, Im sure shark pointed that one out but I think I got overzealous and 'corrected' it in too many places. Will have a close look and make sure I've got the spelling right).
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I didn't really read it - I was just interested in the numbers. Ashima did a v11 when she was 9 apparently. There must be some UK comp teenagers who've done an 8A?
Yes, as pointed out above. Livvy Gent climbed 7C at 11 (not 12). I think that makes her the youngest to climb the grade.
My daughter, Hannah Toward, climbed 7C+ this year at 12 years old. As far as I know, no one in the current generation has bettered that. Alas, there is not much chance of Hannah getting an 8A though as she has retired - at the grand old age of 13!
So my best guess at the youngest to climb 8A would be Emily Phillips climbing La Cucina:
https://dmmclimbing.com/Climbers/Emily-Phillips
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I read La cucina as a route? no idea if this is true or not but it reads that way 8a not 8A
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Yes La Cucina dell'inferno in Massone is a route 8a, not a boulder (or should I say “bloc”)
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Molly T-S doing Full Power:
https://www.instagram.com/p/CM2mcbCDu3P/?igshid=1he3b2fz1nd62
I know she's already on the list with a few 8As, but scrolling through it looks like she's the first woman to do a grit 8A that isn't Back Street Mime Artist? Not that BSMA doesn't count or anything, just interesting that 3 women have done that but there aren't any other grit 8s mentioned for women, which I think is interesting / significant. Like first grit 8 by a woman that's not a traverse, or something? I presume Shauna or Mina have done grit 8s before? I dunno. Discuss.
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Mina did Careless Torque
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Shauna did Zoo York when she was 18 https://www.ukclimbing.com/news/2012/01/coxsey_caminati_woods_and_jorg_making_some_moves-66216
Bet there are others for her too.
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Mina did Careless Torque
Slightly off topic, but every time I see videos of careless torque I think it doesn't look 8A hard. Am I completely misguided, or is it a height thing? (in terms of lank and boulder height!). This isn't intending to knock anyone who's done it, im more trying to determine whether it's a worthy prospect as a non 8A climber (but not a million miles away). Its a stunning line.
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Shauna did Zoo York when she was 18 https://www.ukclimbing.com/news/2012/01/coxsey_caminati_woods_and_jorg_making_some_moves-66216
Bet there are others for her too.
Mina did Careless Torque
Of course, that'll teach me to post before I've had my morning coffee! As you were.
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I thought MTS was based in Germany the now?? Did she come back and use 2 weeks quarantine to grow skin for the grit??
;)
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Mina did Careless Torque
Slightly off topic, but every time I see videos of careless torque I think it doesn't look 8A hard. Am I completely misguided, or is it a height thing? (in terms of lank and boulder height!). This isn't intending to knock anyone who's done it, im more trying to determine whether it's a worthy prospect as a non 8A climber (but not a million miles away). Its a stunning line.
I get the impression people tend to try the start, then only start filming/taking pics/spraying once they're getting through that, at which point the top is 'only' 7B+.
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Good effort from Molly. I feel like Leah has done Full Power too but cant remember for sure.
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Good effort from Molly. I feel like Leah has done Full Power too but cant remember for sure.
Yeah Leah did Full Power a few years ago.
Mina did Careless Torque
Slightly off topic, but every time I see videos of careless torque I think it doesn't look 8A hard. Am I completely misguided, or is it a height thing? (in terms of lank and boulder height!). This isn't intending to knock anyone who's done it, im more trying to determine whether it's a worthy prospect as a non 8A climber (but not a million miles away). Its a stunning line.
I thought Careless was hard for 8A but it has been others first of the grade. It's a very unique set of moves. Mina did it in 2 short sessions ground up.
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I think its a solid grade or grade and a half harder than Brad Pit just to do the start. I've not done many eights but none felt significantly harder.
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UK's most famous 8A that still doesn't get that many ascents in "not soft" shocker... :lol:
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We have a new entrant to the list. Hannah French did Ben's Roof yesterday for her first 7C, waddage.
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I thought MTS was based in Germany the now?? Did she come back and use 2 weeks quarantine to grow skin for the grit??
;)
I guess being an athlete doesn't exempt you from being a third country national as Brit in Germany these days thanks to Brexit. Therefore, she probably was only allowed to be there for 90 days legally.
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We have a new entrant to the list. Hannah French did Ben's Roof yesterday for her first 7C, waddage.
Wish I could of been there to spot her on that.
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I don't Maddy Cope is on the list, or am I being blind. She did Punch Song (7C+) at Bradley Quarry recently.
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I don't Maddy Cope is on the list, or am I being blind. She did Punch Song (7C+) at Bradley Quarry recently.
She's on the new list here https://climbing-history.org/list/4
Gotta be a contender for one of the best female all rounders in the UK at the mo? (where all rounder = trad, sport and bouldering)
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She's on the new list here https://climbing-history.org/list/4
Has The Keel really not had any (or even many) female ascents?! A cursory glance through UKC logbooks didn't reveal any obviously female usernames. Presumably it's considered soft touch mainly by lanky blokes - although given that it's my only 7C tick and I'm in that category, I'm obviously not of that opinion :doubt:
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Molly T-S doing Full Power:
https://www.instagram.com/p/CM2mcbCDu3P/?igshid=1he3b2fz1nd62
Beautiful evening light on that right face.
Pathed the problem.
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Given The Keel basically gets harder the shorter you are, it wouldn't be hugely surprising if it hasn't had a female ascent. Not that there aren't plenty of women who'd be more than capable!
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She's on the new list here https://climbing-history.org/list/4
Has The Keel really not had any (or even many) female ascents?! A cursory glance through UKC logbooks didn't reveal any obviously female usernames. Presumably it's considered soft touch mainly by lanky blokes - although given that it's my only 7C tick and I'm in that category, I'm obviously not of that opinion :doubt:
Worth noting that the list isn't of all female ascents >= 7C, it's women who have climbed >= 7C with a few select examples for each person. It generally gets more definitive as you go up the grades but there's definitely a lot of ascents missing as you get towards 7C.
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There's almost certainly a few people missing at 7C too
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There's almost certainly a few people missing at 7C too
The sobering truth of list making.
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Zoe Wood did Jerry's Roof a bit ago
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Zoe Wood did Jerry's Roof a bit ago
Good knowledge, I've added her to the list https://climbing-history.org/list/4
I don't suppose you know slightly more specifically when she did it? Was it this year?
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Yeah think it was 1-2 months ago so 2021 for sure
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Molly T-S has done Euro Trash Low Low 8B (whilst resting before the next round of the World Cup!).
Source: IG, 8a.
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Good knowledge, thanks Duncan. I've added her ascent to the list.
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Hazel Findlay has done her first 8A (https://www.instagram.com/p/CRwvYoKg9BF/?) Fourteen Years Later Sit (Corridors of Power which she’d done before now down to 7C+)
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Good knowledge, thanks shark.
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Irish crusher and all round legend Katie Maxwell recently climbed Fourteen Years Later Low too. Her first 8A
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Gwyneth Uttley climbed Back Street Mime Artist a few weeks ago.
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Gwyneth Uttley climbed Back Street Mime Artist a few weeks ago.
Thanks for the update, good to see her consolidating. https://climbing-history.org/list/4/strong-british-female-boulderers
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Anna wild has done working 9-5 if that's 7C+
Airlie Borlase has done peckits traverse 7C
Rebecca Stevens also did Tourniquet at 8A, just for completeness
I think the 8A Rachel Daly did was called Lycan It rather than Lycan
Gil Pete has also done Lycan It, would be surpised if she hasn't done a few 8as though
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Hazel Dearlove climbed Tsunami 8A as her first of the grade back in April.
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Good updates, added those in, thanks both.
https://climbing-history.org/list/4/strong-british-female-boulderers
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Good updates, added those in, thanks both.
https://climbing-history.org/list/4/strong-british-female-boulderers
Jessica Sakura Ward has bouldered 7C - Taylor Made at Dinas Rock- she is an 11 year old GB youth mini wad! Also a European champion!
Video of her online
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Well good! Mini beast!
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Airlie Borlase has done peckits traverse 7C
As has Ayesha Khan but I imagine she's already on the list for at least Underhand Extension and others
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As has Ayesha Khan but I imagine she's already on the list for at least Underhand Extension and others
She’s got a funny accent for a ‘UK woman’ 😄
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I failed to remember my own thread title. Ah well, still strong!
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Ayesha (idk her surname sorry) has done the revolution is coming at 8A, as Airlie Borlase
My girlfriend swears there's a third lady to have done Rev recently but cannot remember who?
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Lucy Ross did it at the end of August?
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Ayesha (idk her surname sorry) has done the revolution is coming at 8A, as Airlie Borlase
My girlfriend swears there's a third lady to have done Rev recently but cannot remember who?
Looking at the UKC logbooks a lady called Lucy Ross did it recently, might be who your girlfriend is thinking of? Strong scenes down at Hartland by the look of it, 3 ascents in 4 days!
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https://www.instagram.com/p/Chy6gkUDcfx/?igshid=MDJmNzVkMjY=
Sets at TCA
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Ayesha (idk her surname sorry) has done the revolution is coming at 8A, as Airlie Borlase
My girlfriend swears there's a third lady to have done Rev recently but cannot remember who?
Ayesha is Canadian....
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I've been trawling through old issues of On The Edge (thanks Jim!) and there's mention of Jenny Woodward climbing "Hitchikers font 7c/7c+ making possibly the second female ascent after Sadie Renwick".
Im not that familiar with Kyloe, but it seems Hitchikers gets 7A+ on UKC. Can anyone more familiar with the crag clarify?
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There are two sit starts to hitchhiker's one is 7c/+ the other 7c+ I believe... But I'm also fairly lacking in county knowledge other than that!
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The classic 7A+ version starts by stepping off a large block off to the right. Dan's right there are two sit starts according to UKC.
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Elle Partington needs a bump
https://www.instagram.com/p/CrJRTIjtFsY/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
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Elle Partington needs a bump
https://www.instagram.com/p/CrJRTIjtFsY/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
That’s not 8A though?
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The thread title is out of date; the list on climbing history records female ascents at 7C and up rather than 8A.
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The thread title is out of date; the list on climbing history records female ascents at 7C and up rather than 8A.
This. 8A turned out to be a fairly short list, so I opened it up a bit to 7C to keep the numbers on the list around the 100-200 mark as in practice this is a kinda manageable size while still having some interesting names you probably won't have heard of.
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I'd be willing to bet that 7C is either already too low a bar, or will be very soon though. I think it should be 8A personally. Is the men's one 8B? I wonder if there's much difference in the women's numbers for 8A and for 7C+?
Edit: no diss to Elle as that looks like a great problem, I'm just musing here!
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Yeah the men's list is 8B and above. There's a lot more people on the men's list than the women's so unless there's loads of people missing from the women's list, or ascents at that grade are deemed un-noteworthy enough the no one knows about them, then I think it makes sense to keep it at 7C.
https://climbing-history.org/list/3/strong-british-male-boulderers
https://climbing-history.org/list/4/strong-british-female-boulderers
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I'd be willing to bet that 7C is either already too low a bar, or will be very soon though. I think it should be 8A personally. Is the men's one 8B? I wonder if there's much difference in the women's numbers for 8A and for 7C+?
Edit: no diss to Elle as that looks like a great problem, I'm just musing here!
I had the same question, but as Remus says even at 7C for women there are 92 on the list, versus 157 men at 8B! So still a remarkable disparity.
If you raised it to 8A there'd only be 36 women on the list, which hilariously is not far off the number of men who've done Keen Roof :lol:
57 women for 7C+ and above.
There are 60 UK men who've done an 8B+!
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8A isnt eactly cutting edge
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Yeah the men's list is 8B and above. There's a lot more people on the men's list than the women's so unless there's loads of people missing from the women's list, or ascents at that grade are deemed un-noteworthy enough the no one knows about them, then I think it makes sense to keep it at 7C.
Stats people, let me know if I've got this wrong but by my amateur statistics brain...
If you create 2 separate groups for your reporting (men group, women group), and those group sizes are unequal. Then reporting an equal number for each group of people who are deemed to have met a benchmark of 'significant' performance - in an activity where the number of participants in those two groups is unequal by a significant ratio - would result in the benchmark for 'significance' being significantly less difficult to achieve in the smaller group then in the larger group. Wouldn't it?
I don't know the number of women versus men participating in outdoor bouldering - my unqualified wavy finger in the air guess made within roughly 15 seconds of thinking about it is that men might outnumber women by 3:1 in outdoors bouldering? That could be wildly off - I'm guessing here without much too much thought put into it.
Say it is 3:1. In any activity where 'significance' is based on difficulty, and difficulty is by proxy represented by grade, then you would expect that ratio to be reflected in proportionally fewer people achieving the 'significant' benchmark grade from the group with fewer numbers compared to the group with greater numbers. If you make the numbers meeting 'significant' equal between unequal group sizes, then you've effectively made the benchmark easier by moving it to the left on the distribution bell-curve. Which may or may not be be what you want to achieve.
Final thought: If the benchmark for significance is less representative of difficulty in one group than another - because the standard was lowered to promote equal numbers despite unequally-sized groups - then wouldn't that potentially risk diluting the significance of 'significance', also potentially risk lowering expectations in the smaller group?
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It can be slim pickings at the top for woman boulderers. Hard boulders have a tendency to require significant burl. So often woman are picking from a reduced subset.
There are also instances where woman have climbed very hard specific boulders when they are young and their power to weight is close to maximal (and they have small fingers) e.g. Ashima and Bertone. But have found it harder to reproduce those levels as they get older, despite their all round climbing improving. I think it is fair to say that all 7Cs are not equal between genders.
Which I guess is partly a function of the vast majority of FAs been done by men and graded for a certain height and burl. So progression is enviitably lumpier and more frustrating for women.
Personally, I think the 7C is a good cut-off for now. You look at the names that have achieved it and it seems to be a good predictor of route and comp strength.
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Yeah the men's list is 8B and above. There's a lot more people on the men's list than the women's so unless there's loads of people missing from the women's list, or ascents at that grade are deemed un-noteworthy enough the no one knows about them, then I think it makes sense to keep it at 7C.
Stats people, let me know if I've got this wrong but by my amateur statistics brain...
If you create 2 separate groups for your reporting (men group, women group), and those group sizes are unequal. Then reporting an equal number for each group of people who are deemed to have met a benchmark of 'significant' performance - in an activity where the number of participants in those two groups is unequal by a significant ratio - would result in the benchmark for 'significance' being significantly less difficult to achieve in the smaller group then in the larger group. Wouldn't it?
I don't know the number of women versus men participating in outdoor bouldering - my unqualified wavy finger in the air guess made within roughly 15 seconds of thinking about it is that men might outnumber women by 3:1 in outdoors bouldering? That could be wildly off - I'm guessing here without much too much thought put into it.
Say it is 3:1. In any activity where 'significance' is based on difficulty, and difficulty is by proxy represented by grade, then you would expect that ratio to be reflected in proportionally fewer people achieving the 'significant' benchmark grade from the group with fewer numbers compared to the group with greater numbers. If you make the numbers meeting 'significant' equal between unequal group sizes, then you've effectively made the benchmark easier by moving it to the left on the distribution bell-curve. Which may or may not be be what you want to achieve.
Final thought: If the benchmark for significance is less representative of difficulty in one group than another - because the standard was lowered to promote equal numbers despite unequally-sized groups - then wouldn't that potentially risk diluting the significance of 'significance', also potentially risk lowering expectations in the smaller group?
In a nutshell you're right about the small group vs big group aspect. However, for me, the lists are more about 'who are the top 100 or so people in this group' and the grade boundaries are just a quick and easy way of adjusting the group size so it's around the 100 mark. Obviously you also get a lot of ascents that people would consider significant (in the big numbers sense) in there as a consequence of this, so if that's what you're interested in then you can just look at the top of the list.
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8A isnt eactly cutting edge
Well for men no, it isn't. But for UK women it clearly is, since in the decades long history of bouldering only 36 UK women have managed one 8A or more. That sounds cutting edge to me! With 7C clearly still being significant.
Interesting thought from Pete, get what you're saying. But as Remus says I just see it more as an attempt to document who the top people are.
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In a nutshell you're right about the small group vs big group aspect. However, for me, the lists are more about 'who are the top 100 or so people in this group' and the grade boundaries are just a quick and easy way of adjusting the group size so it's around the 100 mark. Obviously you also get a lot of ascents that people would consider significant (in the big numbers sense) in there as a consequence of this, so if that's what you're interested in then you can just look at the top of the list.
I can see why you might want to list the 'top 100 people'. However it only makes sense if you know the context to put it in, by knowing roughly the number of people participating. A 'top 100 people' in a group of 500 people would have a very different meaning compared to a 'top 100 people' in a group of 10,000 people. Big fish in small ponds versus big fish in oceans.
Bradders - the top people in one group aren't the same as the top people in the larger group though. I'm not saying this is good/bad or right/wrong. It just is by definition not the same process of distinguishing competence.
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I can see why you might want to list the 'top 100 people'. However it only makes sense if you know the context to put it in, by knowing roughly the number of people participating. A 'top 100 people' in a group of 500 people would have a very different meaning compared to a 'top 100 people' in a group of 10,000 people. Big fish in small ponds versus big fish in oceans.
I think the pool of female climbers is big enough that the top ~100 is a small, elite chunk of the group. That's what Im interested in.
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How big do you estimate are the pools of UK male and female (outdoors) boulderers?
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Finger in the wind, I'd guess tens of thousands. For women I'd guess low (i.e. ~10,000) and men at maybe 2-3x times that.
To be clear Im not arguing with you, I agree with your point. #100 on the women's list is going to be a lower percentile of the population than #100 on the men's list.
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Cool cool. Yep not arguing - I was asking in a spirit of curiosity as I’ve never thought about this before until I noticed your comment that you were setting the ‘significance’ level based loosely around having the numbers on the list equal between groups.
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You're absolutely right Pete. Though if you want to make it more statistically meaningful / overcomplicated I think we're going to need to see a compelling argument as to why that's important :)
Better to just keep it simple if you ask me.
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Perfect opportunity for someone to corner the market with a significanceGrader spreadsheet. Sorry, I mean "tool to help climbers better understand the significance of their ascent in the context of national and globalbouldering grades."
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Better to just keep it simple if you ask me.
This
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A simple way would be to say the top standard for both UK and the world is 3 grades lower for women compared to men.
Making the women's cut off for this thread 3 grades less than the men's would currently be 7c+.
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Why 3 and not 4 though?
Current top world men's grade is 9A. Current top world women's grade is 8C (just). So actually it should be 2?
Can we not just leave it as is since it's working pretty well in capturing the current top 100 women in the UK?
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Having it correlate to the difference between uk men and women seemed simple but took into account Pete's point about participation rates.
Please feel free to dismiss as stupid and ignore, it's only a set of arbitrary rules to a thread on a forum after all
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Good updates, added those in, thanks both.
https://climbing-history.org/list/4/strong-british-female-boulderers
Jessica Sakura Ward has bouldered 7C - Taylor Made at Dinas Rock- she is an 11 year old GB youth mini wad! Also a European champion!
Video of her online
She recently did Fat Cats Roof + Taylor Made link-up, 7C+ on UKC, not bad at 12.
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Jesus Christ, that's wildly impressive. Well done to her!
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Waddage! I've added that ascent for her.
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Esther Foster has done Impropa Opera SS today which I believe means she needs bumping up.
I think Nat from the Hangar Liverpool has done rockatrocity at 7c last year, couldn't see her on the list. Can't recall her surname though of the top of my head.
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Good knowledge as per, thanks. Can't seem to work out who Nat is but I'll keep an eye out and add her in if any more details become available.
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https://www.instagram.com/reel/CbDQC3QvDpx/?igshid=MTIyMzRjYmRlZg==
Here's the vid of Nat
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Holly Murray has done Demon Wall Roof Left-Hand 7C in 2022 apparently and is missing off the list I believe
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Holly Murray has done Demon Wall Roof Left-Hand 7C in 2022 apparently and is missing off the list I believe
Good eye, I've added her ascent so she's on the list now.
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Tara Hayes has done Fat Lip. In great style too, cruised it!
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Anna wild has done Jason's roof at crook rise today
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Nice, first of the grade I think? Strong choice too, not many women doing that one.