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T(entacles)L(acking)D(idn't)R(read):

But, that’s that fellow that started all the BMC coup shite a couple years back, isn’t it?

No idea, it was posted anonymously afaik.
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Also I got forwarded this for more fun, have corrected the context slightly....

I post this in response to speaking directly with several other climbers who have had concerns about their posts and/or their accounts being censored or removed by UKC UKB.

For those not already in the know, UKC UKB has been routinely censoring the forum posts of any climbers who question the current (and in our opinion), ongoing massive over-reaction to the Covid pandemic. UKC UKB have been deleting or banning anyone who questions whether the increasingly authoritarian measures taken by our Government are proportional to the threat in hand. Some have attempted to re-register but have been quickly banned once again. In short, UKC UKB has been attempting to hide one side of the debate from its forum users, seemingly to promote their own (some would say narrow) agenda.

By doing this, UKC UKB have been stealthily manipulating us all by making those with perfectly valid concerns about the huge societal damage being done by authoritarian Covid policy measures feel marginalised, unpopular amongst their peers, and/or ostracised from the climbing community. UKC UKB have given a free rein to certain ‘approved’ forum users, often self-proclaimed experts, to bully, or label as anti-vax, or to not take seriously and debate in bad faith, any climber who does not side with UKC UKB’s particular view of the world. Unfortunately this means that a sensible debate, where all points of view can be discussed freely, cannot be had on UKC UKB without the ‘bad actors’ shutting it down. This is not acceptable.

If you check outside of the UKC UKB bubble, there are many, many well renowned and very senior scientists, virologists, epidemiologists, doctors etc. who think that lockdown policy, mask mandates, and vaccine passports are some of the worst public health mistakes ever made in the history of medicine. They have serious concerns that the long term damage caused by these policies, and our priority with Covid above all other forms of healthcare will prove to be far worse than the disease itself.

Often these scientists will have been smeared by their colleagues from the ‘popular’ and ‘approved’ camp. Often they are not featured on the BBC or the Guardian, but their scientific credentials are just as valid, often far more valid than those scientists you hear about on the mainstream news or conducting the government briefings. Unfortunately many people and UKC UKB itself seems to have forgotten how science works. Science works through robust debate and by challenging assumptions. It does not work by ridiculing, smearing or censoring those with whom you do not agree.

As a forum user, you should also be aware that our media, the ones promoting ‘the science’ will directly benefit financially from us all being locked down or restricted in some way. In times of crisis, people spend far more time online, on forums, reading the news and such like. Hence advertising revenue, usage and click-through rates will increase. So you wonder whether itmight be in the media’s interest to keep this crisis going? The answer, as ever, is to follow the money. As a commercial media operation, UKC UKB is not immune from this vested interest.

Sadly as a result of UKC UKB censorship, UKC UKB has now seemingly become an echo chamber. If you have the right opinion, you can stay. If you are a climber who wishes to discuss a different point of view then you are no longer welcome it seems. Yet out in the real world, those who have been most directly affected by lockdown policy, find the narrow minded and un-sympathetic views of some of those on UKC UKB selfish, out of touch and often abhorrent.

It is now well understood that lockdown policy and Covid restrictions have impacted the poorest in society the hardest. Restrictions have also been used an umbrella vehicle under which the largest transfer of wealth in human history has occurred. It has made the wealthiest one percent even wealthier at the expense to everyone and everything else.

At the same time, our parliament, once accountable to the people, has run rough-shot over due democratic process. Our government has employed behavioural psychologists to ramp up the fear and manipulate the population. Our rights to protest have been curtailed. Our right to bodily autonomy is under threat. Our population has been left divided and frightened, not sure when the goalposts back to normal life will be moved once again. We are under imminent threat of a technocratic and authoritarian future unless we are careful.

The government (often via the media), has routinely encouraged the population to blame those who are not following the rules hard enough, or the un-vaccinated, or those who won’t wear masks, to distract attention from its own failings. After all, if we are all busy blaming each other, we forget about the thousands of elderly sent back to nursing homes to die last March without proper testing. We forget about the broken promises, the lies and the lucrative PPE contracts awarded to mates. We forget about the government’s mismanagement of the health service for decades which is the real reason why we are in this mess. In short, we are in an abusive relationship with our government.

On top of this the media has been controlled and kept in check by the Ofcom restrictions introduced during the spring of 2020 meaning that the media cannot communicate anything but the official government point of view on Covid. The media will also not bite the hand that feeds it. Convenient isn’t it that the two biggest advertising spenders with the UK media are the UK Government and the Pharmaceutical industry.

Think about it, when was the last time you heard a dissenting question asked at a government press conference?  It never happens. The questions are always “should we do more of this?” or “perhaps sooner?”, or “maybe now is time for Plan B?”.  It is never “show us the scientific evidence for this policy?”, or “what damage will this policy do?”, or “those numbers don’t seem right”, or back in January you said “15 million jabs to freedom” etc.

When cases go down it is seldom reported. As soon as cases rise they are ‘surging’ or exponential’. Even the chief of the NHS Amanda Pritchard was never properly called upon to apologise for her lie on ITV that there were 14 times more Covid patents in hospital than the same time last year, when the actual number was far less. And Prof Neil Fergusson who has never got a single prediction even nearly right since this whole thing started is still rolled out by the BBC as an expert.

To top this off are the ‘fact checkers’ including such schemes used directly to sensor mis-information on YouTube and Facebook. Please do your own research into who these people are, what their qualifications are, and who funds them. You will often be very surprised. The level of censorship going on across the board is epic.

If history proves correct, no doubt UKC UKB will delete this post (and me) as soon as it can, but by doing so it would firstly show you that what I say is correct. Secondly it would be showing it is committed to manipulating you, the forum user, into conforming to their way of thinking by hiding one perfectly valid side of the argument (this used to be called brainwashing). So let’s hope that UKC UKB sees sense at long last.

If the UKC UKB does censor this post then because I think that users need to be aware of what’s been going on, I will just come back again using a different device and a VPN to post this again. There should be no need for this hopefully. Therefore UKC UKB, please finally let the discussion be had without the ‘bad actors’, the censorship and the bullying. By discussing this in good faith we can hopefully reach a better place with more understanding all round.

Maybe a single thread where alternative views can be freely discussed might be a good idea?

In the meantime, here are some links if you do wish to have an alternate non-UKC UKB view of the world. Not all of these links you will agree with and some you might think are a little far-fetched. But that is the point. The aim is to understand both sides of the argument from which you can draw your own conclusions.

Edit: Links redacted because there weren't enough tentacles.

TLDR:

But, that’s that fellow that started all the BMC coup shite a couple years back, isn’t it?
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Also I got forwarded this for more fun, have corrected the context slightly....

I post this in response to speaking directly with several other climbers who have had concerns about their posts and/or their accounts being censored or removed by UKC UKB.

For those not already in the know, UKC UKB has been routinely censoring the forum posts of any climbers who question the current (and in our opinion), ongoing massive over-reaction to the Covid pandemic. UKC UKB have been deleting or banning anyone who questions whether the increasingly authoritarian measures taken by our Government are proportional to the threat in hand. Some have attempted to re-register but have been quickly banned once again. In short, UKC UKB has been attempting to hide one side of the debate from its forum users, seemingly to promote their own (some would say narrow) agenda.

By doing this, UKC UKB have been stealthily manipulating us all by making those with perfectly valid concerns about the huge societal damage being done by authoritarian Covid policy measures feel marginalised, unpopular amongst their peers, and/or ostracised from the climbing community. UKC UKB have given a free rein to certain ‘approved’ forum users, often self-proclaimed experts, to bully, or label as anti-vax, or to not take seriously and debate in bad faith, any climber who does not side with UKC UKB’s particular view of the world. Unfortunately this means that a sensible debate, where all points of view can be discussed freely, cannot be had on UKC UKB without the ‘bad actors’ shutting it down. This is not acceptable.

If you check outside of the UKC UKB bubble, there are many, many well renowned and very senior scientists, virologists, epidemiologists, doctors etc. who think that lockdown policy, mask mandates, and vaccine passports are some of the worst public health mistakes ever made in the history of medicine. They have serious concerns that the long term damage caused by these policies, and our priority with Covid above all other forms of healthcare will prove to be far worse than the disease itself.

Often these scientists will have been smeared by their colleagues from the ‘popular’ and ‘approved’ camp. Often they are not featured on the BBC or the Guardian, but their scientific credentials are just as valid, often far more valid than those scientists you hear about on the mainstream news or conducting the government briefings. Unfortunately many people and UKC UKB itself seems to have forgotten how science works. Science works through robust debate and by challenging assumptions. It does not work by ridiculing, smearing or censoring those with whom you do not agree.

As a forum user, you should also be aware that our media, the ones promoting ‘the science’ will directly benefit financially from us all being locked down or restricted in some way. In times of crisis, people spend far more time online, on forums, reading the news and such like. Hence advertising revenue, usage and click-through rates will increase. So you wonder whether itmight be in the media’s interest to keep this crisis going? The answer, as ever, is to follow the money. As a commercial media operation, UKC UKB is not immune from this vested interest.

Sadly as a result of UKC UKB censorship, UKC UKB has now seemingly become an echo chamber. If you have the right opinion, you can stay. If you are a climber who wishes to discuss a different point of view then you are no longer welcome it seems. Yet out in the real world, those who have been most directly affected by lockdown policy, find the narrow minded and un-sympathetic views of some of those on UKC UKB selfish, out of touch and often abhorrent.

It is now well understood that lockdown policy and Covid restrictions have impacted the poorest in society the hardest. Restrictions have also been used an umbrella vehicle under which the largest transfer of wealth in human history has occurred. It has made the wealthiest one percent even wealthier at the expense to everyone and everything else.

At the same time, our parliament, once accountable to the people, has run rough-shot over due democratic process. Our government has employed behavioural psychologists to ramp up the fear and manipulate the population. Our rights to protest have been curtailed. Our right to bodily autonomy is under threat. Our population has been left divided and frightened, not sure when the goalposts back to normal life will be moved once again. We are under imminent threat of a technocratic and authoritarian future unless we are careful.

The government (often via the media), has routinely encouraged the population to blame those who are not following the rules hard enough, or the un-vaccinated, or those who won’t wear masks, to distract attention from its own failings. After all, if we are all busy blaming each other, we forget about the thousands of elderly sent back to nursing homes to die last March without proper testing. We forget about the broken promises, the lies and the lucrative PPE contracts awarded to mates. We forget about the government’s mismanagement of the health service for decades which is the real reason why we are in this mess. In short, we are in an abusive relationship with our government.

On top of this the media has been controlled and kept in check by the Ofcom restrictions introduced during the spring of 2020 meaning that the media cannot communicate anything but the official government point of view on Covid. The media will also not bite the hand that feeds it. Convenient isn’t it that the two biggest advertising spenders with the UK media are the UK Government and the Pharmaceutical industry.

Think about it, when was the last time you heard a dissenting question asked at a government press conference?  It never happens. The questions are always “should we do more of this?” or “perhaps sooner?”, or “maybe now is time for Plan B?”.  It is never “show us the scientific evidence for this policy?”, or “what damage will this policy do?”, or “those numbers don’t seem right”, or back in January you said “15 million jabs to freedom” etc.

When cases go down it is seldom reported. As soon as cases rise they are ‘surging’ or exponential’. Even the chief of the NHS Amanda Pritchard was never properly called upon to apologise for her lie on ITV that there were 14 times more Covid patents in hospital than the same time last year, when the actual number was far less. And Prof Neil Fergusson who has never got a single prediction even nearly right since this whole thing started is still rolled out by the BBC as an expert.

To top this off are the ‘fact checkers’ including such schemes used directly to sensor mis-information on YouTube and Facebook. Please do your own research into who these people are, what their qualifications are, and who funds them. You will often be very surprised. The level of censorship going on across the board is epic.

If history proves correct, no doubt UKC UKB will delete this post (and me) as soon as it can, but by doing so it would firstly show you that what I say is correct. Secondly it would be showing it is committed to manipulating you, the forum user, into conforming to their way of thinking by hiding one perfectly valid side of the argument (this used to be called brainwashing). So let’s hope that UKC UKB sees sense at long last.

If the UKC UKB does censor this post then because I think that users need to be aware of what’s been going on, I will just come back again using a different device and a VPN to post this again. There should be no need for this hopefully. Therefore UKC UKB, please finally let the discussion be had without the ‘bad actors’, the censorship and the bullying. By discussing this in good faith we can hopefully reach a better place with more understanding all round.

Maybe a single thread where alternative views can be freely discussed might be a good idea?

In the meantime, here are some links if you do wish to have an alternate non-UKC UKB view of the world. Not all of these links you will agree with and some you might think are a little far-fetched. But that is the point. The aim is to understand both sides of the argument from which you can draw your own conclusions.

Edit: Links redacted because there weren't enough tentacles.

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Nanorouters, pffft, you haven't seen the tentacles:

https://twitter.com/BadVaccineTakes/status/1444006608904851467
Summon the kraken!!

"It seemed self-aware"  :lol: that's ace. Love the way they've shoe-horned the obligatory "gene therapy" and " ''vaccine'' " in quotes  ::)

Yeah Kelvin, I struggled to read the introduction, although that was mostly because it's complete bollox. The rest is obviously pseudo-science waffle to fool the stupid / susceptible. As usual.
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diet, training and injuries / Re: Lumber stretches.
« Last post by webbo on Today at 12:19:33 pm »
https://www.healthline.com/health/mckenzie-exercises#prone-press-ups

Especially number 4
Okay so this is basically cobra pose.

It turns out that what I had - now somewhat obfuscated by my sprained LCL and associated nose-dive in mobility and activity (and that I cannot do any glute stretches with the LCL...) - is very likely mild sciatica combined with piriformis issues. Ms Fiend has this occasionally and looked into various exercises for me. A common thread was cut out aggressive hamstrings / touching toes stretches, and do plenty of cobra pose.

Again this confused me, if my lower back is an issue why would I be arching it back further instead of stretching it forwards?? The missus pointed out that if there is a nerve impingment more on the front of the spine, then arching back is going to alleviate the pressure on that. This may or MAY NOT be at all scientifically accurate but it was logical enough to get me doing the cobra pose regularly, and that definitely seems to have helped the issues a bit although not cleared them up completely.

I tend to do 10-15 cobra pose push-ups, then ooze back into child's pose (and do this less passively than before), then repeat. 2-3 times daily.
I do these most mornings. However I do some knee hugs before I do them. Laid on my back pull knee to chest then push knee against hands. I do each legs then do then together. I also put my heel on top the other knee both hands on knee pull towards chest.
I do 2 of all these on both legs followed by some Cats and Dogs, then Mckenzies or Cobra.
Seems to keep me reasonably mobile.
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The latest ultra-bantz from a prominent and farcical anti-vaxx site

So many words. I lost the will to read about halfway down the rather looooong page.

Not been on that site, seems less right wing than most.

Quote
On this occasion, analyzing one of the images obtained by Dr. Campra , corresponding to a sample of the Pfizer vaccine, see figure 1, it has been discovered, which with great probability, is a nanorouter or part of its circuitry. In the original image, a well-defined drop can be seen in which crystalline structures of a quadrangular or cubic format appear. If you look closely, you can see some marks on these crystals, with a regular pattern, well defined in some cases, but limited by the microscope optics.

The finding has been made possible by isolating each quadrangular crystal, applying a process of rasterizing, focusing and delineating the edges of the image, in order to further pronounce the observed marks. Once this process was completed, a rough draft was drawn with the lines and patterns inscribed on the glass, creating a clean outline of what actually looked like a circuit. The fact of finding parallel and perpendicular lines with a distribution far from the fractal patterns was very striking, which allowed us to automatically infer the possibility that it had been a product of manufacture. For this reason, similar patterns were searched in the scientific literature, which had a similar scheme, similar to the circuit that had just been drawn. The search result was almost immediate, since the pattern of a quantum dot nanorouter was found, as shown in figure 2.


I'm not sure why I rubberneck these imbeciles / extremely-traumatised-and-damaged-by-the-pandemic-scenario-and-quite-ill-people, but they're not getting any less outrageous with time.... It does support my theory that the rise of ridiculous anti-vaxx / anti-mask conspiracies is a trauma response due to the biggest life-affecting upheaval (even though it's relatively minor compared to world wars etc) that almost all westerners have experienced.
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I got shares in moderna and AZ...

all I see is PROFITS  :tease:
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diet, training and injuries / Re: Lumbar stretches.
« Last post by Fultonius on Today at 11:04:09 am »
 I randomly had sciatica type pain for about 4 days on holiday in Spain when I got covid. Cleared up right after.

How weird eh?

#unhelpful anecdote.
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music, art and culture / Re: Techno Techno Techno Downloads
« Last post by Fiend on Today at 10:27:04 am »
That man Deathmachine doing some proper stomping techno as good as anything on Perc Trax:

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