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the shizzle => diet, training and injuries => Topic started by: Moo on September 04, 2014, 08:20:02 pm
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http://allirainey.com/home/2013/09/06/improve-your-sport-climbing-11-endurance-part-6-hard/ (http://allirainey.com/home/2013/09/06/improve-your-sport-climbing-11-endurance-part-6-hard/)
http://www.dpmclimbing.com/articles/view/can-running-make-you-better-climber (http://www.dpmclimbing.com/articles/view/can-running-make-you-better-climber)
get in.
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Well that's a load off my mind
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Jog on...
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Hardly a runaway success, TT
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Punning is my Achilles heel... Though I've not tripped up yet.
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These punning threads are always such a race to the bottom.
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Theoretical waffle of little practical interest
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Theoretical waffle of little practical interest
is that a proposal for a new t-shirt?
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It's far from rude enough. Let alone juvenile/immature..
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So, the take-home message for climbers is: if you like running, keep running; if you don't like running, don't feel obliged to take it up. Thanks heavens for experts... what would we do without them?
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So, the take-home message for climbers is: if you like running, keep running; if you don't like running, don't feel obliged to take it up. Thanks heavens for experts... what would we do without them?
Yep I couldn't agree more, but it is not surprising that this new anti-cardio training thing is gaining traction because they are telling people what they want to hear.
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:D
Being no expert myself, I would like to point out that going to the gym 4 times a week to do some bouldering with plenty of rest between the problems hardly qualifies as "vigorous-intensity aerobic activity" which humans need about 75min a week of for cardiovascular health.
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Theoretical waffle of little practical interest
is that a proposal for a new t-shirt?
Now when you mention it, I think it could be my new motto! :coffee:
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:D
Being no expert myself, I would like to point out that going to the gym 4 times a week to do some bouldering with plenty of rest between the problems hardly qualifies as "vigorous-intensity aerobic activity" which humans need about 75min a weeks of for cardiovascular health.
If you were to park a mile away though....
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:D
Being no expert myself, I would like to point out that going to the gym 4 times a week to do some bouldering with plenty of rest between the problems hardly qualifies as "vigorous-intensity aerobic activity" which humans need about 75min a week of for cardiovascular health.
Of course it doesn't make sense, it just has to sell someone's coaching book.
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I'm so smug about not running that I don't even have to click on the link
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it is not surprising that this new anti-cardio training thing is gaining traction because they are telling people what they want to hear.
I'd have thought the opposite. Usually we like to hear that we've got a good excuse to trash ourselves. Having to stop strong, rest lots etc sucks.
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I'm so smug about not running that I don't even have to click on the link
+1
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Not only did I click on the link I then watched the Paige Classen video. fucks sake.
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I don't regret watching the video.
Because you can always a lot further, it's just convincing your mind that you're capable of doing that.
*Sigh*, I wish.
it is not surprising that this new anti-cardio training thing is gaining traction because they are telling people what they want to hear.
I'd have thought the opposite. Usually we like to hear that we've got a good excuse to trash ourselves. Having to stop strong, rest lots etc sucks.
Eh. Maybe for climbing we like to hear we can keep trashing ourselves. But for non-climbing training for some people, we like to hear we've got a good excuse not to bother with shit like running. Having to actually do it sucks!
Anyway, I'm with jwi on this. As vile as running it, it's a very convenient and reasonably intense exercise that gets the blood flowing and the heart racing whilst letting the climbing muscles rest. It might not be the optimal complementary exercise but it's got to be a damn sight better than not doing it.
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It might not be the optimal complementary exercise but it's got to be a damn sight better than not doing it.
Why?
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Listen to Moony!
http://www.climbandmore.com/climbing,431,0,1,training.html (http://www.climbandmore.com/climbing,431,0,1,training.html)
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Exactly. I think people confuse "being a runner / running hard / running as a significant part of training" with "running as active rest / running for a bit of gentle keep fit".
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Being no expert myself, I would like to point out that going to the gym 4 times a week to do some bouldering with plenty of rest between the problems hardly qualifies as "vigorous-intensity aerobic activity" which humans need about 75min a weeks of for cardiovascular health.
My current cardiovascular regime entirely comprises the 50m walk from roadside to Kilnsey. With the return of the Malham season, I'm thinking of buying an all-terrain golf-buggy. Or perhaps a sedan chair and bearers (anyone know any human traffickers?).
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It might not be the optimal complementary exercise but it's got to be a damn sight better than not doing it.
Why?
Barrows, your "I'm right, you're wrong" attitude to other people's training/active lifestyles can be a little bit insufferable at times. I understand that you climb well and train effectively but that does not mean that your approach is correct for everybody. We are young and, if you are anything like me, find it absolutely impossible to put on weight - the climber's nemesis - no matter what we choose to stuff into our faces.
The UKB demographic is "fat old dads, happily married with kids, waffling on about high class sheffield restaurants and stuff". If they're not fat already, then they will be if they stop the CV! If they haven't had a triple bypass already, then they will do should they stop the aerobic exercise! If you want to get good at climbing, you've got to take care of the basics first and one of the fundamentals is being lean. Even if they're not that keen on getting really really strong on the rock, maybe they just like to complement their climbing activities with a little bit of cardio to stop themselves from dropping down dead once they hit 75.
Lighten up, for goodness' sake.
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It might not be the optimal complementary exercise but it's got to be a damn sight better than not doing it.
Why?
Barrows, your "I'm right, you're wrong" attitude to other people's training/active lifestyles can be a little bit insufferable at times. I understand that you climb well and train effectively but that does not mean that your approach is correct for everybody. We are young and, if you are anything like me, find it absolutely impossible to put on weight - the climber's nemesis - no matter what we choose to stuff into our faces.
The UKB demographic is "fat old dads, happily married with kids, waffling on about high class sheffield restaurants and stuff". If they're not fat already, then they will be if they stop the CV! If they haven't had a triple bypass already, then they will do should they stop the aerobic exercise! If you want to get good at climbing, you've got to take care of the basics first and one of the fundamentals is being lean. Even if they're not that keen on getting really really strong on the rock, maybe they just like to complement their climbing activities with a little bit of cardio to stop themselves from dropping down dead once they hit 75.
Lighten up, for goodness' sake.
For interest's sake only, cardio makes no difference to my waistline at all and I fit the demographic you describe.
Whilst cardio may make me actually healthier, it has the downsides of being boring, making me sleepy and a lot hungrier than normal. That's aside from the obvious downsides specifically associated with running like the pain it causes to my mashed ankle, gives me tighter calfs and hamstrings etc. despite rigorous stretching.
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It might not be the optimal complementary exercise but it's got to be a damn sight better than not doing it.
Why?
Barrows, your "I'm right, you're wrong" attitude to other people's training/active lifestyles can be a little bit insufferable at times. I understand that you climb well and train effectively but that does not mean that your approach is correct for everybody. We are young and, if you are anything like me, find it absolutely impossible to put on weight - the climber's nemesis - no matter what we choose to stuff into our faces.
The UKB demographic is "fat old dads, happily married with kids, waffling on about high class sheffield restaurants and stuff". If they're not fat already, then they will be if they stop the CV! If they haven't had a triple bypass already, then they will do should they stop the aerobic exercise! If you want to get good at climbing, you've got to take care of the basics first and one of the fundamentals is being lean. Even if they're not that keen on getting really really strong on the rock, maybe they just like to complement their climbing activities with a little bit of cardio to stop themselves from dropping down dead once they hit 75.
Lighten up, for goodness' sake.
are you out on the piss with Sloper - have gone to the bar for a round (Daquari's with a malt chaser no doubt) and your phone has been hijacked by the afore mentioned UKB league beagle? Woof.
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I'm not quite sure how a 1 word answer produces a 2 paragraph rant and I'm the one who needs to lighten up? :lol: All I asked was 'why has it got to be better than doing nothing?' (In the context of getting better at climbing rocks)
I'm aware the same shit doesn't work for everyone.
E.g. On this very topic, biking makes my legs big and me heavy; biking makes my mate Ed light.
I'm a full stone lighter than I was in my late teens, from concious dieting, and weight goes up 1/2 a stone plus easily for me within a month of getting gluttonous (at which point I get it back under control). Running has never seemed to make a difference to my weight in either direction, irrespective of doing lots, a small amount, or none. I'm very much of the view that if you're gonna do it then do it as 20min active rest rather than trying hard. If I commuted by car everywhere then maybe I would go back to doing gentle runs on rest days; I quite like going for a (non-epic) walk on rest days. I thought lwo intensity steady state cardio was supposed to be fairly mediocre for weight control anyway?
I don;t care what the demographic is. This is ukb not ukc, I shouldn't have to proofread my posts 3 times to check they wont piss people off.
I still quite like whoever it was (Betchel?) that said something like "if running makes you better at climbing then you're shit at climbing". Or maybe that was about crossfit. Probably the same either way.
p.s. this was a thread about running for climbing, not running 'cos it's fun. If it's fun then do it for fun. Like partying. Though that's good for extreme weightloss too.
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I shouldn't have to proofread my posts 3 times to check they wont piss people off.
You should have proof-read that "Why?" post at least. I'm sure slackline could find 20 linguistical errors with it.
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Touche.
[I proof read that but can't be bothered to find an accent]
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Touche.
[I proof read that but can't be bothered to find an accent]
Louche ;)
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Douche :P
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Douche :P
:D bravo!
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I'll never thank myself enough for quitting running, cycling and the likes.
I was an avid runner (>1000 km a year, plus weights, cycling, etc) and I was shit at climbing. I'm still shit, but at least I'm stronger now than when I was 25, and have probably increased my physical form every year in the last 15 years.
In fact, I'm in the best shape of my life right now.
I get less pumped on the few routes I do, also.
The message is simple, and has already been told: running won't improve your climbing. It will also impair muscle growth, strength, won't protect neither your arteries nor your heart and will probably result in a higher fat percentage.
But hey, at least it will cost a lot in terms of time, toil and suffering! Who could resist?
More on it here:
http://www.t-nation.com/training/cardio-kills (http://www.t-nation.com/training/cardio-kills)
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It is quite difficult to do an onsight of an overhanging 40m pitch without getting a cardio workout... So you suggest that a climber should simply never try?
Also if big muscles were important, why are Adam Ondra and Alex Megos the two best climbers in the world?
Also, if anyone think that 75 min of running, or biking to work, three long-endurance session at the wall, or two medium-long apporaches to a crag every week is ruining their athletic potential as climbers they are somewhat extreme.
^And the funny thing is that I'm not even attacking the straw man here (!)
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It is quite difficult to do an onsight of an overhanging 40m pitch without getting a cardio workout... So you suggest that a climber should simply never try?
I don't think he's suggesting that, rather he's suggesting that running is, at best, a harmless adjunct to training for climbing in the same way that climbing is at best a harmless adjunct to training for a marathon. But at worst either activity is a distraction and an energy drain on the other if you're lucky/disciplined enough to have reached such an elite level of running or climbing performance that you needed to make massive investments in specific training to make further gains. In your example above - you're right, a 40m enduro pitch gives a cardio workout - which can be trained most effectively by replicating climbing a 40m overhanging pitch to simulate the aerobic demands. Bottom line is climbing doesn't need the type of aerobic training that running provides.
Also if big muscles were important, why are Adam Ondra and Alex Megos the two best climbers in the world?
Sharma and Midtbo spring to mind as being half decent muscleheads. Surely there are others.
I think this thread has run its course.
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It is quite difficult to do an onsight of an overhanging 40m pitch without getting a cardio workout... So you suggest that a climber should simply never try?
Also if big muscles were important, why are Adam Ondra and Alex Megos the two best climbers in the world?
Also, if anyone think that 75 min of running, or biking to work, three long-endurance session at the wall, or two medium-long apporaches to a crag every week is ruining their athletic potential as climbers they are somewhat extreme.
^And the funny thing is that I'm not even attacking the straw man here (!)
How many times did you fall off because you were out of breath, and how many because your forearms were pumped?
Running won't improve your climbing stamina, you still won't onsight that 40 meters route. It's Dave MacLeod that says so in its book.
What many climbers do, is running in order to lose weight. But then they climb their projects, not because they ran, but because they are lighter.
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It might not be the optimal complementary exercise but it's got to be a damn sight better than not doing it.
Why?
....[size=78%]The UKB demographic is "fat old dads, happily married with kids, waffling on about high class sheffield restaurants and stuff"...[/size]
Hang about - I'm not even married. And I've not been to a Sheffield restaurant in ages.
Should I de-register my account?
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It depends, are you fat?
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'high class sheffield restaurants"
Oxymoron.
http://www.t-nation.com/training/cardio-kills (http://www.t-nation.com/training/cardio-kills)
Great link Nibs, I've always thought it was a bad idea and this is all the ammo I need for the triathlon evangelists at work.
Why is everyone doing triathlons? They need a proper hobby.
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one of the headings from nibile's link is "Enough Cortisol to Kill a Moose"
.... I was too scared to read anymore but now I'm taking no chances. My gait will henceforth become even more shuffly and uncertain than ever. If you see me at the crag and are perturbed by my meanderings, don't worry, I haven't had a stroke, I'm just warding off free-radicals!
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http://www.t-nation.com/training/cardio-kills (http://www.t-nation.com/training/cardio-kills)
Great link Nibs, I've always thought it was a bad idea and this is all the ammo I need for the triathlon evangelists at work.
Why is everyone doing triathlons? They need a proper hobby.
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I stopped reading at 'enough Cortisol to kill Moose'.
Seriously, I think when some people talk about running, they mean jogging. I used to speed-walk faster than some of those lazy fuckers. Who knew they'd be the only ones alive at 60!
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MrsTT runs - normally a couple of 1/2 hour jogs a week with a neighbour.. as its the only exercise she gets (aside from stomping up and down the stairs like an angry wilderbeast) Its probably a good thing for her general well being.. not too much to do any long term damage - but enough to raise the pulse for a while...
A few people at work run - marathons, triathlons etc.. I don't think they necessarily do it because its good for them - I think they go because they enjoy it and/or it provides a release from the daily grind...
I never run.
At 44 my knees, ankles, hamstrings, achilles, feet, legs, hips etc.. all seem to be in fine fettle...
Though my hands will probably get fucked over with arthritis in the next 20 years :)
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I don't think he's suggesting that, rather he's suggesting that running is, at best, a harmless adjunct to training for climbing in the same way that climbing is at best a harmless adjunct to training for a marathon.
Surely a quite different comparison. The general benefits of running - cv, fitness, blood flow, heart rate, weight management etc - are likely to be generally beneficial for being fit for climbing. Whilst having strong fingers from a good beastmaking session is unlikely to have any benefits for marathons.
I think once again people are confusing being a dedicated runner doing long intense runs with a view to marathons and triathlons and other such bullshit, with being some who mostly trains hard for climbing and does semi-regular light runs for all the reasons above along with giving the arms time to recover.
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FFS
If you like climbing and climb a few times a week, and potter around a bit, then sure a bit of pottering around running will be fine and not impact your climbing.
If you have x hours a week to train and can do climbing specific stuff for x hours, then you should do so. If you have X hours and can only do x-2 of climbing training, then sure do 2 hours of running as long as it doesn't negatively impact your climbing recovery.
The article is funny because it mentioned Jonathon Seigrist and his running and recent send of biographie, but they don't note that he quit running in his most recent training cycle in preparation for going to do biographie. If you listen to his podcast on Training Beta, he talks about the fact that while he loves running, he was convinced to quit for a while, and he felt it was part of what let him take that next step.
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As others have said on here, running is a great way to keep the weight in check, in particular if you are rubbish like I am at watching what I eat. It is also a very quick way of burning lots of energy and hence calories in a relatively (for me) enjoyable way, albeit trail running only, road running bores me to tears.
Do I run to improve my climbing? Directly, no. I don't think it makes my climbing stamina any better. It does however indirectly help overall fitness and as said above, low weight, which gives me a fighting chance of getting up stuff.
The one thing I do struggle with is balancing time between climbing and running. Being time poor I find I get more out of 45 minutes running than I'd ever do trying to squeeze a little bit of bouldering in the equivalent time. Plus you can run in the dark when its raining.
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I don't think he's suggesting that, rather he's suggesting that running is, at best, a harmless adjunct to training for climbing in the same way that climbing is at best a harmless adjunct to training for a marathon.
Surely a quite different comparison. The general benefits of running - cv, fitness, blood flow, heart rate, weight management etc - are likely to be generally beneficial for being fit for climbing. Whilst having strong fingers from a good beastmaking session is unlikely to have any benefits for marathons.
I think once again people are confusing being a dedicated runner doing long intense runs with a view to marathons and triathlons and other such bullshit, with being some who mostly trains hard for climbing and does semi-regular light runs for all the reasons above along with giving the arms time to recover.
I agree. Which is why I wrote 'at best it's a harmless adjunct to climbing' (as is climbing to running, any running).
edit: basically what Sasquatch said - it depends on the goal.
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Thanks to this thread I'm never going for a run again. Thank fuck :2thumbsup:
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Tuppence worth - running makes me lighter and whatever finger strength abilities I have, better. I must admit that even after 2.5 weeks away from climbing and replacing these sessions with distance running only, I feel like I've experienced substantial muscle wastage. I'm tired of being hench anyway. All my heros have the physique of a gnat.
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Running worked for the G...
I find it hard to believe that anyone who reads this thread or the associated articles, will be overwhelmingly effected in either positively or negatively by going running.
From what I seem to remember hearing and reading from these 'worlds best climbers' (but are they having the most fun?), both Sharma and Ondra have claimed the best training for climbing is climbing.
If you cannot climb for whatever reason, then I doubt running will harm your climbing, regardless of the sort-off-science posted above.
From what I understand, the general academic understanding of climbing (sports science end) is so infantile (particularly compared to perhaps more researched Olympic sports like certain forms of lifting), that no one really knows if things like periodisation actually work as 'sort of rules of thumb'.
Hell, no one is really good enough at climbing for any real detail in the kinds of observations in articles like those posted above, to be measured and theory proven or not empirically. If I am incorrect, then please show me otherwise.
If you are dead keen on getting into weight control using an endurance sport, get a copy of racing weight, as suggested by Dave Macleod.
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Touche.
[I proof read that but can't be bothered to find an accent]
Hold down [alt gr] for acute accents on vowels.
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that's possibly the only piece of real, concrete advice of unequivocal worth in this entire thread!
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When I lived in Derbyshire I used to run as it was a nice way to take in the views, smell the earth and have fun with my dog. Now I'm in London I'd rather stick pins in my eyes than pull on my running shoes and pound out mileage. I did go for a bike ride today though..
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It might not be the optimal complementary exercise but it's got to be a damn sight better than not doing it.
Why?
Barrows, your "I'm right, you're wrong" attitude to other people's training/active lifestyles can be a little bit insufferable at times. I understand that you climb well and train effectively but that does not mean that your approach is correct for everybody. We are young and, if you are anything like me, find it absolutely impossible to put on weight - the climber's nemesis - no matter what we choose to stuff into our faces.
In Barrows' defense, I should point out that his bum is fuckin massive.
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It might not be the optimal complementary exercise but it's got to be a damn sight better than not doing it.
Why?
Barrows, your "I'm right, you're wrong" attitude to other people's training/active lifestyles can be a little bit insufferable at times. I understand that you climb well and train effectively but that does not mean that your approach is correct for everybody. We are young and, if you are anything like me, find it absolutely impossible to put on weight - the climber's nemesis - no matter what we choose to stuff into our faces.
In Barrows' defense, I should point out that his bum is fuckin massive.
And you should know ;)
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At least we're clear on who gives and who takes.
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I had you down as the rusty trombonist 3.9
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Work, stress and sloth won today and I didn't go running. Are you happy now? :tease:
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following the advice that if you are really shit at climbing then running might make you happier, I ran 5K today.
First time I've done this for a while.
27 minutes
so what? I hear you mutter
well, that makes me the fastest 5k runner in our house
rock and roll
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Are you the only 5K runner in your in your house?
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sounds pretty OK to me...( missing the point perhaps) but thats an ok time - i'm a punter at this-
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there are 3 5K runners in the house - the other 2 have been practicing
TBH I was pleased that I could do the distance at all and absolutely gobsmacked by the time
had a school night beer to celebrate last night and a pain au raisin this morning :strongbench:
overall, fun
I suspect the cycle home from work this evening will be challenging :'(
anyway, that's my running done for the year - I've shocked the system quite enough
(might go out Saturday, just to see...)
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With that sort of time I thought you'd stopped for the pint half way round. ;)
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now there's a worthy target - same time, but with a pint and a chat half way round
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To be fair it is a respectable time- sub hour 10k. I was just worried that if you were the only runner that'd make you the slowest as well... :blink:
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No disrespect to Lagers but a sub one hour 10k is a not a good time. 10 miles in under an hour is club runner respectable.
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What's a good marathon in your view?
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:read:
What's a good marathon in your view?
The one that you don't do.
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Called a snickers now.
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:read:What's a good marathon in your view?
The one that you don't do.
I haven't done lots of good marathons, must be getting quite expert by now.
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My pb for 10k is 39:18 although I think I'd struggle with that now.
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I've got a big willy
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I've got a big willy
I hope it's suitably supported whilst running..
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I wonder if anyone will rise to that...
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It's a hard one to follow
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My pb for 10k is 39:18 although I think I'd struggle with that now.
I reckon that's a cock and bull story.
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Excellent wordplay gents
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I've been called a huge prick.
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Trying to delete post. Flickr wouldn't link. Sorry. :-\
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Two weeks ago, went out for a ~19mile training run with a mate (in prep for the Rab MM)
A couple of miles in I was running along a path I know well, chatting happily away, having a great time - right up until I tripped on a rock and went headfirst down a slope covered in brambles. My first ever proper fall, some pretty impressive scratching and lots of blood, but I washed a cut out, bandaged my hand with a buff, and kept on running. I was fine from then on.
My mate, on the other hand, was having a shitter and at mile 16 his calf cramp was so bad we had to give up and call my other half to come pick us up. We looked a right fucking pair, and felt it too - him trying not to limp and me covered in blood.
Luckily the Rab didn't go quite so badly!
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Too late Dave, the internet has seen your knees now, scary stuff :o
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Why does this thread have four pages? The title said all that needed to be said.
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in my second jog in several years I managed a 5k park run in 26:09 (4 days after my first one)
it took 6 days for my ankle to stop hurting
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Some week ago, my first sub-20min 5k in over 15 years left me searching for my breathe for 10 days. No problems with the ankle though :ang:
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in my second jog in several years I managed a 5k park run in 26:09 (4 days after my first one)
it took 6 days for my ankle to stop hurting
FFS lagers what are you doing running with your ankle history... *scolds*
Get on a bike or rowing machine or something....
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Lagers midpack.
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/10622748_840261082675531_5412263749203106009_n.jpg?oh=f9aba0fd2edf86f01d39f559fd613073&oe=54CE57E2&__gda__=1421124820_0faebcd161a8071d3a5d280702777551)
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Great shot :)
A "ground breaking" performance? :P
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in my second jog in several years I managed a 5k park run in 26:09 (4 days after my first one)
it took 6 days for my ankle to stop hurting
FFS lagers what are you doing running with your ankle history... *scolds*
Get on a bike or rowing machine or something....
I ride a bike to and from work 4 times a week
rowing really hurts my ankle
got to push it to get it to improve
see that 7 yr old kid elbowing me out the way? I'd have been at least 2 places further up the field if I'd not been subjected to such abuse
the camera man did well to get such a clean shot with me shaking the ground
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I was unaware of just how slow people jog in the park run. I started off near the back and spent the first 2.5k weaving around people and even walking while penned in. I tried to compensate by running quicker after that, but my spazzy ankle limits my stride length and I ended up doing some grotesque Luc Meynet style lurching
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That picture is one of the best adverts against running that I've ever seen.
Edit.
I know that I may sound as a mean bastard, considering other people's efforts, etc., but please, please, do yourselves a favour and don't go running.
Walk, sprint, but please don't jog.
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that's not running, Nibs
it's a pic from the Hunters Bar Techno Festival in August
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I tend not to believe you Lagers. ;)
Sorry I edited my post while you were typing.
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(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3929/15476804905_02650bdc50_c.jpg)
D G R! Don't Go Running :slap:
Sorry to inflict these appendages on folk - they should be chopped off, and clipped into as in-situ knee bar protection.
Phew.
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I think it's time for a "Don't Go Running" t-shirt.
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Lagers midpack.
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/10622748_840261082675531_5412263749203106009_n.jpg?oh=f9aba0fd2edf86f01d39f559fd613073&oe=54CE57E2&__gda__=1421124820_0faebcd161a8071d3a5d280702777551)
I just love his resenting hateful glare towards the sprightly young lad acting as pacemaker.
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(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3939/15291332668_87d21d5354_b.jpg)
You're fooling none of us, "Rob" ;D
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Lagers midpack.
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/10622748_840261082675531_5412263749203106009_n.jpg?oh=f9aba0fd2edf86f01d39f559fd613073&oe=54CE57E2&__gda__=1421124820_0faebcd161a8071d3a5d280702777551)
Looks like the bloke in red is admiring your 'action'...
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I thought the bloke in red was Ronnie O'Sullivan
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(http://images.askmen.com/sports/fanatic_300/392_gianluca-vialli-interview-part-2-1052969-flash-1052969-flash.jpg)
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2 to your left lagers (http://i.guim.co.uk/static/w-220/h--/q-95/sys-images/Sport/Pix/pictures/2010/6/15/1276602062557/Peter-Crouch-005.jpg)
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2 to your left lagers (http://i.guim.co.uk/static/w-220/h--/q-95/sys-images/Sport/Pix/pictures/2010/6/15/1276602062557/Peter-Crouch-005.jpg)
You mean right?
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Mark Leach far left.
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:geek:
2 to your left lagers (http://i.guim.co.uk/static/w-220/h--/q-95/sys-images/Sport/Pix/pictures/2010/6/15/1276602062557/Peter-Crouch-005.jpg)
You mean right?
2 to lager's left, or 2 to our right.
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:geek:2 to your left lagers (http://i.guim.co.uk/static/w-220/h--/q-95/sys-images/Sport/Pix/pictures/2010/6/15/1276602062557/Peter-Crouch-005.jpg)
You mean right?
2 to lager's left, or 2 to our right.
Ahhh ;)
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Mark Leach far left.
far too skinny
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guy on the far right in a red and white top
(http://images.wikia.com/darkangel/images/archive/4/47/20110626190828!Joshua.jpg)
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Sometimes, on UKB...
You drop in a thread, that you have not been following and begin to fear for your sanity.
Do you know how far back you need to scroll before it even begins to make sense...?
Love it.
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I notice that Ron Hill has run every day for the last 50 years
any idea what grade he climbs?
well done Ron - still looking good
(http://www.cigarettespedia.com/images/c/c3/Ronhill_Rich.jpg)
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I believe his pants alone have onsighted E7
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Maybe we should have a sister "Go running" thread.
I've been a bit too hunkered down recently, and I know my own threshold, beyond which things go south pretty quickly.
Running too much destroys my recovery for climbing training, but I miss the self affirming effort of a hard, short run.
I think this is related to why we train in other ways too. Breaking against the world, learning and getting to know it, paradoxically helps reassure me of my place in and part of the wider "whole".
I'm very slow at the moment, but a few short outings this week have really helped give a bit of a boost.
There are plenty of other good, wholesome reasons for running, like cake and wine :2thumbsup:
For inspiration:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51743865049_2cea45a952_h.jpg)
Edit. The Bordeaux was on offer at Lidl. Really not bad for cheap plonk, with a bit of Oak.
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https://ukbouldering.com/board/index.php/topic,8443.450.html
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https://ukbouldering.com/board/index.php/topic,8443.450.html
Kind of Chris ;) I was just trying to be a bit ironic, thinking something a bit more like yyfy/nnfn.
Been meaning to start a "running for climbing" thread, to be a bit more specific. Might post something up later.
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My running and climbing complement each other as the injuries from one never seem to preclude the other. Still struggling with sore hip flexor post ultra in November, so back to climbing.
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I agree very much with the thread title. My current injury from climbing is precluding running so I can't anyway.