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the shizzle => diet, training and injuries => Topic started by: user deactivated on January 25, 2019, 08:45:41 pm
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Is it just me or is there a disproportionate amount of climbers suffering with food intolerances? I’m often sat at the crag with my cheese buttie and Pom bears wahed down with a chocolate yazoo only to look around and see everyone else tucking into mackerel on wheat free ryvita with spinach crisps. Unless you’re Dave mac and your on 3 rashers of raw bacon blended with 12 eggs and a pint of lard
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Don't Go getting upset, it's not Only You who finds it odd
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Don't go getting upset, it's not only you who finds it odd
Cough cough. Was that beetroot and hummus mixed together you were guzzling at the crag the other day? 😁
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More sherioushly..
There is a trend in general to ascribe various ailments to food intolerances. Self test kits have helped facilitate this - despite their results often not being reliable or clear cut.... but that said many people swear changing diet has helped a lot.
Climbers tend to be careful about weight - and there is a general increase in awareness of diet amongst people working out or whatever... so I think it’s more just that people doing sport etc... nowadays are more aware and careful diet wise.
Pom bears are not too bad. Better than mini cheddars.
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It’s kind of a toughy, though.
It’s definitely easier to test and diagnose food intolerances now and GP’s are more likely to look, where there are otherwise inexplicable symptoms. My youngest had a bunch of weird things going on, and was tested for a lot of different things, though it turned out to be dairy.
That’s with an NHS consultant, not some naturopath nut job.
Pretty sure that when I was 9, the GP would have brushed off the sort of symptoms we were describing. Tantrums with concurrent belly aches, for one.
However, she just had to lay off the dairy (totally) for 18 months -2 years and then it was reintroduced (without sequela).
No idea if that’s normal for most intolerances.
I have met quite a few self/internet/crystal-therapist diagnosed gluten intolerant, muppets, though so which camp the majority belong in; is guess work.
Edit: Nothing is better than mini-cheddars.
Edit2: except shortbread.
With clotted cream.
Nothing’s better than that.
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Next thing they will be discussing which non alcoholic beer tastes the best.
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Next thing they will be discussing which non alcoholic beer tastes the best.
Never!!!
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Don't Go getting upset, it's not Only You who finds it odd
I know right, it’s amazing what people will do to get up an e4 these days....
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100 kg Newbie, cracking up reading this thread. It's like is listening to my younger sister back when she was modeling. :thumbsup:
Now where's the bacon and Tommy ketchup...
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Pom bears are not too bad.
you would think so, but I was given some unsolicited advice by another parent about how much salt there is in pombears and teddy faces
I replied with a load of facts about the changing ratio of bicarb in the local crack market and something about hoping my kids were getting some iodine in that salt so that they didn't become cretins (I wasn't feeling very tolerant)
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My wife is a doctor that specialises in chronic illness and managing it with diet and nutrition (amongst other things). What I have learnt:
Lots of people have food intolerances of various kinds. The symptoms are not always easy to spot and may be vague as the body, to some extent, tolerates it. Coming off the food means that the symptoms go away, but if you then go back to eating them the lack of tolerance means that the symptoms are worse. For example, I lived with a dairy intolerance for 35 years without knowing it. When I stopped eating it my energy levels got slightly better and low level digestion problems that I had assumed were normal went away. However, if I now have even a little bit I get stomach ache and lots gives me nausea. Broadly speaking I would have preferred to continue eating cheese and have a bit of low level digestion issues than the current situation whereby I have to do things like check packs of crisps to see if the flavouring has milk powder in it.
So why bother even finding out? When you have an intolerance your immune system makes antibodies to protein(s) in the food and your whole immune response is constantly raised. This raises systemic inflammation and increases the risk of further defective immune response. This could be to other proteins in food (which means that often an unaddressed food intolerance may lead to further intolerances developing over time), or proteins in your body - e.g. autoimmune disease. Many long term degenerative diseases are essentially auto-immune responses (e.g. diabetes, ms, hypothryroidism, some arthritis) and the risk is higher if you have family with autoimmune problems, as I do. Constantly raised systemic inflammation also raises cancer risk.
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Wow nice one Rupert, I’ve gone from mildly skeptical to half way converted. Life is a bit of a bugger at times, I mean you couldn’t make that stuff up could you!
So lagers are you saying Pom bears are dusted with crack? I’ve been eating mine, not smoking them
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Pom bears are not too bad.
you would think so, but I was given some unsolicited advice by another parent about how much salt there is in pombears and teddy faces
As if my lad gets a chance when there’s Pom bears about!!
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Good post Ru.
I think my gripe with it is the self test kits - which may lead someone to seek out a professional fro more advice - or lead them to a DIY change/solution. Reason below...
I’ve witnessed this with my brother in law - who after a test cut out Dairy and has now done so for the rest of his family (5) without talking to any health professional about this. They’re not going to keel over or die or anything - but it does frustrate me that one (online) diagnosis leads to so much change that may well not be necessary or correct.
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Oh well, at least with quitting dairy his family is making the planet a favour. People shouldn't self-diagnose gluten intolerance though as wheat is pretty much the best thing you can eat for the environment.
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My wife is a doctor that specialises in chronic illness and managing it with diet and nutrition (amongst other things). What I have learnt:
Lots of people have food intolerances of various kinds. The symptoms are not always easy to spot and may be vague as the body, to some extent, tolerates it. Coming off the food means that the symptoms go away, but if you then go back to eating them the lack of tolerance means that the symptoms are worse. For example, I lived with a dairy intolerance for 35 years without knowing it. When I stopped eating it my energy levels got slightly better and low level digestion problems that I had assumed were normal went away. However, if I now have even a little bit I get stomach ache and lots gives me nausea. Broadly speaking I would have preferred to continue eating cheese and have a bit of low level digestion issues than the current situation whereby I have to do things like check packs of crisps to see if the flavouring has milk powder in it.
So why bother even finding out? When you have an intolerance your immune system makes antibodies to protein(s) in the food and your whole immune response is constantly raised. This raises systemic inflammation and increases the risk of further defective immune response. This could be to other proteins in food (which means that often an unaddressed food intolerance may lead to further intolerances developing over time), or proteins in your body - e.g. autoimmune disease. Many long term degenerative diseases are essentially auto-immune responses (e.g. diabetes, ms, hypothryroidism, some arthritis) and the risk is higher if you have family with autoimmune problems, as I do. Constantly raised systemic inflammation also raises cancer risk.
Interesting stuff. I was properly allergic to milk when I was a baby/toddler, then continued to have on and off problems whenever I had dairy products. At the time I knew nothing about intolerance (or Lactase production) and would sometimes cut out dairy, only to find I was even more affected by it afterwards.
I now have proper live yoghurt every day in my breakfast, and can sit down to a full fondue fairly safely now. I do, on occasion, however, get some bad brain fog and I sometimes wonder if it's linked...or something totally unrelated!
(I read somewhere about a link between milk protein allergy/sensitivity and brain fog...but I have to admit I've not looked into it in depth)
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I can't tolerate lactose.
Greek yoghurt, parmesan and very seasoned cheeses are fine, but anything else bloats my belly and sends me straight to the toilet again and again.
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Bear in mind that I don't really know what I'm talking about, but... Lactose intolerance is due to lack of lactase enzyme which can be due to a variety of different causes, some of which can be fixed/fix themselves. That's different to cow's milk protein allergy or intolerance, but can give similar symptoms.
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It’s super important to acknowledge the difference between allergy and intolerance.
The former may kill - the latter probably won’t (sorry - that’s bleeding obvious)
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Don't Go getting upset, it's not Only You who finds it odd
A joke for every Situation.
(moving through the doorway of a nation).
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At last, thank you Chris.
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Both have a punter for making me feel stupid 😂
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At last, thank you Chris.
Ever so slightly worried, that you remember those lyrics...
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80s lyrics are tattooed in my brain.
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Interesting topic, I'll add my own experience as I think there's still a lot unknown about the subject and hearing other peoples experiences has helped me in the past.
So when I was younger, in my teens/early 20s I would suffer from constant bloating. I thought this was normal given that I am female and as a woman it's something that you have to accept comes with your monthly cycle. However the problems started getting worse when I was in university, ranging from huge bloating that would go on for days and would be more noticeable after I ate. I went to my GP and had a year where I was being sent to gynaecology for suspected polycystic ovaries, then it was endometriosis, then it was "we just don't know".
I felt really shitty about myself during this time and looking back I really didn't have a lot of energy but I wasn't aware of there being a link to my diet. Anyway, my mum frequents a hippy-crusty health food shop where she lives and decided to send some of my hair of to be tested for a food sensitivity test. It came back saying that I should lay off dairy (specifically lactose) and wheat. I thought it was worth a try, this was about 5 years ago just before the "clean eating" bullshit took off. It was bloody difficult as I love cheese and good bread, but I can't tell you how much it changed me. The bloating disappeared and I felt really sharp and full of energy.
About 2 years after this, still avoiding lactose and wheat, the bloating returned but this time with incredible amounts of pain and cramps. I then moved to the Netherlands. I couldn't figure out what the hell was wrong, I felt like food was my enemy because it seemed no matter what I ate I'd look about 3months pregnant afterwards and be doubled over. This really started to bring me down. I was living off rice crackers, fruit and veggies. I'm Portuguese and LOVE food.
Anyway, after some persuasion from my boyfriend to go to the GP here I did.The first thing she got from me was a poop sample (sorry) and sent it to be tested, she mentioned she thinks I have Helicobacter pylori (H. pylori). I'd never heard of it but she said 50 percent of the worlds population have it. Turns out I was in that percentage. She told me that it's a type of bacteria that can enter your body and live in your digestive tract. After many years, they can cause sores, called ulcers, in the lining of your stomach or the upper part of your small intestine. I researched the shit out of it and came across many diets to help with the initial phase of eradicating it and then reintroducing the foods which irritate your gut. The thing about it is it's very personal to your gut so the foods that caused me issues may not be the same ones that bother someone else with the infection. By this point I had done an elimination diet (like you would do for IBS) and the trigger foods for me by this point were dairy, wheat, onions, garlic and any alliums like spring onions etc. I got a prescription for antibiotics from my GP to eradicate the bacteria which consisted of 3 tablets every day for a week, then down to 2 tablets for the second week. This post is becoming long so I'll wrap it up, basically I reintroduced everything back one at a time, slowly, and helped to repopulate my stomach with good bacteria and cultures and now, a year later, I'm eating everything again with no ill-effects (ok sometimes I have a tiny bloat but NOTHING compared to what it was).
If you have any questions or want to know more please ask, I really know how it feels to have a shitty digestive system and feel frustrated by it, so I'm happy to help.
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Interesting post, thanks! I have loads of things that give me indigestion and heartburn, wonder if it's related.
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Interesting post, thanks! I have loads of things that give me indigestion and heartburn, wonder if it's related.
Definitely get yourself checked for H.pylori - ask your gp as I'd never heard of it until I came to the Netherlands. Good luck!
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I think it was saltbeef ‘of this parish’ that once said to me they used to think a lot of stomach ulcers were stress and diet related until they discovered h pylori