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diet, training and injuries / Re: squiffy half crimping
« Last post by thunderbeest on Yesterday at 06:09:26 pm »
But what I would say is that if you are able to, with consistent form, that does not provoke injury and does target the appropriate area, increase load through an adjustment of the finger position, then that could have a positive impact.

Hmm, but if it's a bit like Fultonius says, that she gets more mm out of the edge does it work then? Then we could be training on 40mm edges with more load instead of 20 or 10? I'd expect these factors to be quite important as well, not only load?
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bouldering / Re: North York Moors - beta please!
« Last post by Steve R on Yesterday at 03:13:04 pm »
Update on previous post: they've now fully closed (barricaded) the road down to stoupe brow so it's a bit of hike down to the quarry from parking on the top of the moor (30 mins?) at the moment. The sun doesn't get in there at all really by this time of year and even with low humidity it seems surprisingly hard to get decent cons. Much better when it's warmer and a bit breezy I reckon.
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shootin' the shit / Re: Flooded cellar advice
« Last post by Paul B on Yesterday at 02:34:16 pm »
Is it possible to be more specific with what you mean by tanking to ensure we're talking about the same thing?

It'd be good to get an answer to this. If there's a sump pump for instance, it IS still working, right?
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diet, training and injuries / Re: squiffy half crimping
« Last post by Wellsy on Yesterday at 01:00:06 pm »
Absolutely it's a technical sport! I would say that's true, that's my own personal experience, in the same way that being strong at squatting doesn't make you good at Rugby or Judo or whatever. But there's a reason why Rugby players and Judokas squat, and there's a reason why climbers hang from little edges, cos it gets your fingers strong. It's just that having strong fingers is not the only thing you need.
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shootin' the shit / Re: Flooded cellar advice
« Last post by Johnny Brown on Yesterday at 12:54:17 pm »
Good point. Various areas of England have just had one of the wettest periods on record.
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for sale / wanted / Re: Kids' climbing shoe exchange
« Last post by JamieG on Yesterday at 12:30:38 pm »
I'll definitely be up for shoe exchanges, currently my two haven't outgrown any yet, but soon enough that will be happening.
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for sale / wanted / Re: Kids' climbing shoe exchange
« Last post by lukeyboy on Yesterday at 12:27:44 pm »
Great idea. I have a stash and will check sizes
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diet, training and injuries / Re: squiffy half crimping
« Last post by Fultonius on Yesterday at 11:48:29 am »
A lot of strength training for other sports is quite generic though. Doing squats trains big muscle groups and rugby players do also spent considerable periods of time on eg scrum machines to train the specific strength they need as well.

Its plausible that in climbing because holds are so variable, the specificity of training one grip type might mean that it doesn't necessarily translate well to outside/ any other climbing where that grip type is not used. Perhaps its more specific than other sports.

Obviously its not a holy grail of training to fingerboard like this though.

I would say its quite common for sports to say "we're not like other sports, we are different!" but in reality the principles of S&C come from biology. I'm not saying that Alison Vest is or isn't doing the best thing, I think it's fair to say we don't have sufficient science on finger strength training for real knowledge

But what I would say is that if you are able to, with consistent form, that does not provoke injury and does target the appropriate area, increase load through an adjustment of the finger position, then that could have a positive impact.

I know that there's an idea that just training on a 20mm edge just teaches you how to get stronger on a 20mm edge. I'd say that's not true. Fingerboard hangs make your fingers stronger across a lot of hold types.

Anyway clearly hanging that way is not giving her issues

Wellsy, I see what you're saying about basic training gains giving you a foundation for more more sport specifc gains, but there are many, many examples, papers, studies etc. that all point to the same thing - finger strength gains on a 20mm edge *without lots of movement practice and learning how to apply that to rock, results in poor gains in terms of grades and ability*

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diet, training and injuries / Re: squiffy half crimping
« Last post by Fultonius on Yesterday at 11:44:50 am »
I'm gonna call it, she's basically cheating the test and making a 20mm edge more like a 28.28mm edge (assuming 45 degrees).

Of course, if you can find a hold that allows you to do this outdoors, and have practiced the movement you might be able to do the same.

Crack on and report back.
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diet, training and injuries / Re: squiffy half crimping
« Last post by teestub on Yesterday at 11:41:32 am »
As one might expect from a very decent climber, she uses a range of grip types on rock from open to to full crimp



Plenty of vids on YouTube Stone if you want to see if you can identify the twisted fingers!
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