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Title: Products that doesn't exist but should
Post by: jwi on August 19, 2020, 01:19:29 pm
I would think that there would be a place in the market for:

1. Lightweight approach shoes. (Nope, Evolv Cruzer would have been close to lightweight if they had used something less daft than canvas for the uppers, but they have now been discontinued. The lightest approach shoes on the market now are about the same weight as two camalot 5s. No one clips that to the harness unless they must. The lightest trail-running shoes on the market weight about as much as a quickdraw, for comparison)

2. Small haulbags. Surely no one need more than 20 l capacity for a wall that can be done in a day? 35 l is the smallest I've seen: what on earth are people bringing on the routes?
Title: Re: Products that doesn't exist but should
Post by: SA Chris on August 19, 2020, 01:30:20 pm
I just use ON Cloudventure Trail running shoes as approach shoes these days. I ran in them for a while, but decided they were a bit too stiff, and the heels lacked adequate support for runnning any significant distance. Great for approaches though, grip excellent on anything from loose gavel to rock to wet grass, and pretty light. Not even vaguely waterporoof though.
Title: Re: Products that doesn't exist but should
Post by: Fiend on August 19, 2020, 01:33:58 pm
3. Grammar checker for forum post titles??   ;) (sorry)

4. Proper brush drill bits to fit on a rechargeable modelling drill to clear out grotty pockets and slots.

5. Chalk suspension drink that actually causes you to sweat out chalk.

6. Harness clipped liquid chalk dispenser for use en-route.

7. Kneepad with different size inserts to make the more compact gentleman's shins fit those morpho "barrows" kneebars.

8. Drone-disabling EMP charge catapult.

...there may be more...
Title: Re: Products that doesn't exist but should
Post by: tomtom on August 19, 2020, 01:40:52 pm
6 exists..

9. A potion/lotion that makes your skin thicker / tougher without fucking it up
Title: Re: Products that doesn't exist but should
Post by: jwi on August 19, 2020, 01:43:01 pm
3. Grammar checker for forum post titles??   ;) (sorry)
haha!

No. It is better to suffer eternal shame.

4. Proper brush drill bits to fit on a rechargeable modelling drill to clear out grotty pockets and slots.

5. Chalk suspension drink that actually causes you to sweat out chalk.

6. Harness clipped liquid chalk dispenser for use en-route.

7. Kneepad with different size inserts to make the more compact gentleman's shins fit those morpho "barrows" kneebars.

8. Drone-disabling EMP charge catapult.

...there may be more...

No 8: I buy that any day. Maybe it can be sold in combo with a remote cutter for fixed ropes.
Title: Re: Products that doesn't exist but should
Post by: Oldmanmatt on August 19, 2020, 01:45:54 pm
3. Grammar checker for forum post titles??   ;) (sorry)
haha!

No. It is better to suffer eternal shame.

4. Proper brush drill bits to fit on a rechargeable modelling drill to clear out grotty pockets and slots.

5. Chalk suspension drink that actually causes you to sweat out chalk.

6. Harness clipped liquid chalk dispenser for use en-route.

7. Kneepad with different size inserts to make the more compact gentleman's shins fit those morpho "barrows" kneebars.

8. Drone-disabling EMP charge catapult.

...there may be more...

No 8: I buy that any day. Maybe it can be sold in combo with a remote cutter for fixed ropes.

They exist.

However, you’ll need to approach MOD for supplier details...

Edit:
Possibly not with a fixed rope cutting attachment.
Title: Re: Products that doesn't exist but should
Post by: ali k on August 19, 2020, 01:48:45 pm
9. A potion/lotion that makes your skin thicker / tougher without fucking it up
I'd pay significant sums for that. Sore / split tips is usually the limiting factor for me.
Title: Re: Products that doesn't exist but should
Post by: Oldmanmatt on August 19, 2020, 02:01:36 pm
10: Anti-gravity belt. Not complete isolation, just a 75% reduction in g for a couple of seconds on demand. After all, you wouldn’t want to cheat or anything.
Title: Re: Products that doesn't exist but should
Post by: sdm on August 19, 2020, 02:05:44 pm
9. A potion/lotion that makes your skin thicker / tougher without fucking it up
I'd pay significant sums for that. Sore / split tips is usually the limiting factor for me.
If someone could invent this, they could pretty much name their price and I would gladly pay it.

Skin is the limiting factor for almost all of my sessions.
Title: Re: Products that doesn't exist but should
Post by: Bonjoy on August 19, 2020, 02:07:52 pm
11. Climbing t-shirts/thermal tops with really long torso relative to arms, so you don't get a freezing middle every time you raise your arms to climb and spot on a cold winters day.
Title: Re: Products that doesn't exist but should
Post by: andy_e on August 19, 2020, 02:13:18 pm
11. Climbing t-shirts/thermal tops with really long torso relative to arms, so you don't get a freezing middle every time you raise your arms to climb and spot on a cold winters day.

110% this. Or just a thermal onesie with appropriate stretch so as not to be wedgie-inducing.
Title: Re: Products that doesn't exist but should
Post by: GazM on August 19, 2020, 02:20:31 pm
11. Climbing t-shirts/thermal tops with really long torso relative to arms, so you don't get a freezing middle every time you raise your arms to climb and spot on a cold winters day.
In NZ I bought a merino thermal top from Kathmandu (NZ outdoor shop) that has a freakishly long torso that would fit this bill. I assume it's designed for exactly what you describe. I have to tuck it into my trousers otherwise I might be mistaken for wearing a short dress.
Title: Re: Products that doesn't exist but should
Post by: andy_e on August 19, 2020, 02:25:53 pm
12. Bouldering mat with built-in fans that can be positioned to a) cool hands down, b) blow midgies away, or c) pointed upwards to reduce lift on windy days.
Title: Re: Products that doesn't exist but should
Post by: Paul B on August 19, 2020, 02:50:21 pm
2. Small haulbags. Surely no one need more than 20 l capacity for a wall that can be done in a day? 35 l is the smallest I've seen: what on earth are people bringing on the routes?

You can get various tag bags less than 20l (Atom Smasher being the smallest haul bag I'm aware of at around ~35l) and I'm sure someone like Runout customs would be up for producing something if you dropped them an email.

I did try and work out if I could fit my lunch and approach shoes in our Waste Case (8.2l of  :shit:) but couldn't quite bring myself to try it.

11. Climbing t-shirts/thermal tops with really long torso relative to arms, so you don't get a freezing middle every time you raise your arms to climb and spot on a cold winters day.

Tried a cycling baselayer? They're a bit longer at the back at least for being in a riding position.

You can even get one appropriately named:
https://road.cc/content/review/211465-rivelo-mens-hathersage-merino-long-sleeve-base-layer

("there's no extra-long back" maybe not that one then) :tumble:
Title: Re: Products that doesn't exist but should
Post by: duncan on August 19, 2020, 02:53:20 pm
I would think that there would be a place in the market for:

1. Lightweight approach shoes. (Nope, Evolv Cruzer would have been close to lightweight if they had used something less daft than canvas for the uppers, but they have now been discontinued. The lightest approach shoes on the market now are about the same weight as two camalot 5s. No one clips that to the harness unless they must. The lightest trail-running shoes on the market weight about as much as a quickdraw, for comparison)

2. Small haulbags. Surely no one need more than 20 l capacity for a wall that can be done in a day? 35 l is the smallest I've seen: what on earth are people bringing on the routes?

1. At the risk of repeating myself yet again, why not fell-running shoes (https://www.inov-8.com/x-talon-200-running-shoe)?

2. I’ve wondering what you’ve been using on your adventures as I have been asking myself exactly the same question.  The Metolius Mescalito  (https://www.metoliusclimbing.com/haul_packs.html) is a little oversize at 24litres and would be very awkward to climb with. Perhaps a caver’s / rope access tackle bag? Or something bespoke as PaulB suggests. I would be interested in something similar if it made ordering easier.
Title: Re: Products that doesn't exist but should
Post by: Paul B on August 19, 2020, 02:56:36 pm
1. At the risk of repeating myself yet again, why not fell-running shoes (https://www.inov-8.com/x-talon-200-running-shoe)?

Sticky rubber IS confidence inspiring when you're rock hopping around on approaches/descents. Since moving to some Arc'teryx fell running shoes I have missed that (but it's the best compromise I've found currently). If only they had pull-on loops (to clip).
Title: Re: Products that doesn't exist but should
Post by: Oldmanmatt on August 19, 2020, 02:57:54 pm
I would think that there would be a place in the market for:

1. Lightweight approach shoes. (Nope, Evolv Cruzer would have been close to lightweight if they had used something less daft than canvas for the uppers, but they have now been discontinued. The lightest approach shoes on the market now are about the same weight as two camalot 5s. No one clips that to the harness unless they must. The lightest trail-running shoes on the market weight about as much as a quickdraw, for comparison)

2. Small haulbags. Surely no one need more than 20 l capacity for a wall that can be done in a day? 35 l is the smallest I've seen: what on earth are people bringing on the routes?

1. At the risk of repeating myself yet again, why not fell-running shoes (https://www.inov-8.com/x-talon-200-running-shoe)?

2. I’ve wondering what you’ve been using on your adventures as I have been asking myself exactly the same question.  The Metolius Mescalito  (https://www.metoliusclimbing.com/haul_packs.html) is a little oversize at 24litres and would be very awkward to climb with. Perhaps a caver’s / rope access tackle bag? Or something bespoke as PaulB suggests. I would be interested in something similar if it made ordering easier.

Snap do an 18ltr.

Edit:

Found it.
Saw it in passing, looking for something else, a while back. No idea what it’s like.
 https://www.trekkinn.com/outdoor-mountain/snap-climbing-haulbag-18l/137565013/p (https://www.trekkinn.com/outdoor-mountain/snap-climbing-haulbag-18l/137565013/p)
Title: Re: Products that doesn't exist but should
Post by: i.munro on August 19, 2020, 03:00:18 pm
The Munro bouldering kilt TM.
Cool in hot weather, doesn't impede flexibility and a useful parachute effect on Highballs.
Can't imagine why this isn't available there must be some drawback I can't think of.
Title: Re: Products that doesn't exist but should
Post by: mrjonathanr on August 19, 2020, 03:07:56 pm

9. A potion/lotion that makes your skin thicker / tougher without fucking it up

This exists and it’s free. But a bit smelly.

Garlic clove- slice finely and rub between fingers. Try it, the effect is very marked.
Title: Re: Products that doesn't exist but should
Post by: teestub on August 19, 2020, 03:12:34 pm

1. Lightweight approach shoes. (Nope, Evolv Cruzer would have been close to lightweight if they had used something less daft than canvas for the uppers, but they have now been discontinued. The lightest approach shoes on the market now are about the same weight as two camalot 5s. No one clips that to the harness unless they must. The lightest trail-running shoes on the market weight about as much as a quickdraw, for comparison)


5.10 Daescents were about 480g for a pair (sorry don’t know how much cams weigh) and had the advantage that you could climb pretty hard in them too. Sadly discontinued pretty quickly.
Title: Re: Products that doesn't exist but should
Post by: Paul B on August 19, 2020, 03:13:44 pm
Snap do an 18ltr.

I think that's more of a "looks like a haul bag" thing, rather than something I'd want my car keys to be in, somewhere in the Verdon  ;D
Title: Re: Products that doesn't exist but should
Post by: ali k on August 19, 2020, 03:17:30 pm
9. A potion/lotion that makes your skin thicker / tougher without fucking it up
This exists and it’s free. But a bit smelly. Garlic clove- slice finely and rub between fingers.
Christ, the tip of my finger and thumb stinks for about a week after just peeling a few cloves - I can't imagine what this is like!
Title: Re: Products that doesn't exist but should
Post by: tomtom on August 19, 2020, 03:18:18 pm
11. Climbing t-shirts/thermal tops with really long torso relative to arms, so you don't get a freezing middle every time you raise your arms to climb and spot on a cold winters day.
In NZ I bought a merino thermal top from Kathmandu (NZ outdoor shop) that has a freakishly long torso that would fit this bill. I assume it's designed for exactly what you describe. I have to tuck it into my trousers otherwise I might be mistaken for wearing a short dress.

Khatmandu have (had?) UK stores and online service. Got my waterproof from there 3-4 years back.
Title: Re: Products that doesn't exist but should
Post by: MischaHY on August 19, 2020, 03:18:50 pm
9. A potion/lotion that makes your skin thicker / tougher without fucking it up
I'd pay significant sums for that. Sore / split tips is usually the limiting factor for me.

Genuine question: Surely one of the various Rhino potions cautiously applied with a brush does this? With their range plus antihydral you've got concentrations of 2%, 4%, 8% and 13% methanamine so plenty of options in terms of intensity...

Since I got the application intervals right for my skin I have to say tend to get knackered muscles before skin now. No splits either.

Appreciate though that people have very different responses so interested to know how this works for others.
Title: Re: Products that doesn't exist but should
Post by: tomtom on August 19, 2020, 03:24:55 pm
9. A potion/lotion that makes your skin thicker / tougher without fucking it up
I'd pay significant sums for that. Sore / split tips is usually the limiting factor for me.

Genuine question: Surely one of the various Rhino potions cautiously applied with a brush does this? With their range plus antihydral you've got concentrations of 2%, 4%, 8% and 13% methanamine so plenty of options in terms of intensity...

Since I got the application intervals right for my skin I have to say tend to get knackered muscles before skin now. No splits either.

Appreciate though that people have very different responses so interested to know how this works for others.

Tip juice (the strong one) makes my tips more leathery feeling (used once a week as directed) but I’m far from convinced it actually makes the skin tougher. It is antihydral yes? So drys out rather than builds up??

I’ve stopped using it now - but when I was I’d also get all sorts of splits in the creases (where it wasn’t applied) and had one case where a tip split above and below a layer of tape (where the tape stopped and skin started (protecting a teeny blemish).

And - it’s not tested or regulated at all (read the bottle and their website) which I suspect for a skin product is not legit in the UK.

(Edit that’s come across as a rhino bashing which it was t intended... Just not convinced it works)
Title: Re: Products that doesn't exist but should
Post by: jwi on August 19, 2020, 03:26:14 pm

2. I’ve wondering what you’ve been using on your adventures as I have been asking myself exactly the same question.  The Metolius Mescalito  (https://www.metoliusclimbing.com/haul_packs.html) is a little oversize at 24litres and would be very awkward to climb with. Perhaps a caver’s / rope access tackle bag? Or something bespoke as PaulB suggests. I would be interested in something similar if it made ordering easier.

I use a small (discontinued) day pack from Simond that is about 18 litres or so. It cost less than €20 at the time and we have hauled this bag well over hundred pitches without problem. But at some point I'm bound to climb a route with a few slabby pitches...
Title: Re: Products that doesn't exist but should
Post by: SA Chris on August 19, 2020, 03:45:07 pm
14 A brush with bristles as stiff and densely packed as the Psychi ones, but with a decent glue so they don't fall out. Lapis is the next best thing, followed by 8b+. Moon are too soft.
Title: Re: Products that doesn't exist but should
Post by: HaeMeS on August 19, 2020, 03:50:49 pm
@ 9: Antihydral every X days. Combined with daily (!) moisturizing cream (no expensive stuff - 'Nivea care and repair' does the trick) and filing excess callus works fine. Indestructible skin :dance1:

@14: Faza?

15) Tents with waterproof groundsheets that last.

16) Chalkbags that don't spill chalk when closed and in a backpack / durable drawcords.

Title: Re: Products that doesn't exist but should
Post by: MischaHY on August 19, 2020, 03:53:19 pm
9. A potion/lotion that makes your skin thicker / tougher without fucking it up
I'd pay significant sums for that. Sore / split tips is usually the limiting factor for me.

Genuine question: Surely one of the various Rhino potions cautiously applied with a brush does this? With their range plus antihydral you've got concentrations of 2%, 4%, 8% and 13% methanamine so plenty of options in terms of intensity...

Since I got the application intervals right for my skin I have to say tend to get knackered muscles before skin now. No splits either.

Appreciate though that people have very different responses so interested to know how this works for others.

Tip juice (the strong one) makes my tips more leathery feeling (used once a week as directed) but I’m far from convinced it actually makes the skin tougher. It is antihydral yes? So drys out rather than builds up??

I’ve stopped using it now - but when I was I’d also get all sorts of splits in the creases (where it wasn’t applied) and had one case where a tip split above and below a layer of tape (where the tape stopped and skin started (protecting a teeny blemish).

And - it’s not tested or regulated at all (read the bottle and their website) which I suspect for a skin product is not legit in the UK.

(Edit that’s come across as a rhino bashing which it was t intended... Just not convinced it works)

So it has the same active compound (methanamine) which causes a chemical reaction in the skin that plugs your sweat glands temporarily. Good explanation here: https://www.sheffieldclimbingclinic.com/post/skin-care-for-climbers

My experience is it definitely works but only if you have sweaty tips - if you have naturally dry skin then it will ruin you. It's been a game changer for my slippy sweat-tips though!
Title: Re: Products that doesn't exist but should
Post by: tomtom on August 19, 2020, 03:58:43 pm
I don;t suffer from dry skin - but don’t have sweaty tips either.. Only thing that toughens my skin up seems to be repeated climbing/callus (calous?) developing...
Title: Re: Products that doesn't exist but should
Post by: Ballsofcottonwool on August 19, 2020, 04:10:50 pm


@14 Have you tried SillyGoat brushes, In the 4 weeks between getting one for my birthday and lockdown when I was able to use It I was impressed.


@9 lansinoh pure lanolin cream says its for nipples on the tube but it keeps my tips in good condition.
Title: Re: Products that doesn't exist but should
Post by: SA Chris on August 19, 2020, 04:17:07 pm
Not heard of silly goat or faza, will look.

Update - and don't cost a small fortune!! :)

Title: Re: Products that doesn't exist but should
Post by: teestub on August 19, 2020, 04:21:37 pm
I don;t suffer from dry skin - but don’t have sweaty tips either.. Only thing that toughens my skin up seems to be repeated climbing/callus (calous?) developing...

Using Antihydral regularly definitely makes the skin on my tips thicker. I’m not sure what the exact mechanism is but I assume the lack of sweating means the skin wears out less quickly.
Title: Re: Products that doesn't exist but should
Post by: cheque on August 19, 2020, 04:22:53 pm
11. Climbing t-shirts/thermal tops with really long torso relative to arms, so you don't get a freezing middle every time you raise your arms to climb and spot on a cold winters day.

Oh my god there is an advantage to suddenly having a shorter torso. In your face, chilly-middled people!  ;)
Title: Re: Products that doesn't exist but should
Post by: Fiend on August 19, 2020, 04:24:14 pm
[9] - I once got quite good results for skin by putting a little bit of anti-hydral on, then once that was dry, a light oiling with Bio-oil / vitamin E oil. Seemed to be a bit tougher, drier, and suppler. YMMV

[11] - I've found Underarmour Coldwear / Warmwear to be pretty decent in that way although maybe it's just the lower hem getting caught around my distended belly and not riding further up.
Title: Re: Products that doesn't exist but should
Post by: tomtom on August 19, 2020, 04:26:52 pm
I don;t suffer from dry skin - but don’t have sweaty tips either.. Only thing that toughens my skin up seems to be repeated climbing/callus (calous?) developing...

Using Antihydral regularly definitely makes the skin on my tips thicker. I’m not sure what the exact mechanism is but I assume the lack of sweating means the skin wears out less quickly.

Maybe Tim - it feels thicker - but also more inflexible. All anecdotal etx.. but when I used it splits would happen quickly - almost as if the skin were more brittle. Now I’ve stopped my skin wears thin at a point then splits. I get more warning of that makes sense.

I guess I could recalibrate for when antihydral’d skin was about to go...

As I can only get near rock seriously once a week at the moment it’s not such an issue (though I’ve a week near Carrock next week so I’ll be taped up after 90 min 😂😂)
Title: Re: Products that doesn't exist but should
Post by: i.munro on August 19, 2020, 04:37:36 pm


@14 Have you tried SillyGoat brushes, In the 4 weeks between getting one for my birthday and lockdown when I was able to use It I was impressed.


Absolutely brilliant! I would never have bought one for those prices but my wife got one as a gift and then I did. Seems to do as good a job of shifting chalk as anything I've tried (short of a water sprayer) and you don't feel as much as if you're trashing the rock as other brushes.
Title: Re: Products that doesn't exist but should
Post by: SA Chris on August 19, 2020, 04:38:53 pm
11 - I've got a Lululemon (mock not, their tech stuff is great quality) Running Top, with sleeves long enough to keep my hands cold on winter runs and also covers my lanky torso. It's a perfect thickness too, warm without feeling bulky. I'd not pay full price though!
Title: Re: Products that doesn't exist but should
Post by: tomtom on August 19, 2020, 04:41:02 pm
I quite like the £4 simond ones with a little sandpaper patch on the handle for the skin. Two birds with one stone etc..

I also have a large shoe brush £2.50 Tesco with lovely soft animal hair bristles - that is great for dusting the chalk of slopers.

If you want boar hair brushes at 1/4 the price of climbing shops go and look on eBay. Whoever is re-badging them as XYZ climbing brushes is making a VERY healthy markup for a little badge on the handle....
Title: Re: Products that doesn't exist but should
Post by: Bonjoy on August 19, 2020, 04:53:58 pm
Along similar lines to previous suggestion...
17. Temperature control on chalk bags - cooled for summer, heated for winter.
18. Heated climbing boot inserts. Something to pre-heat climbing shoes between attempts on witheringly cold days.
Title: Re: Products that doesn't exist but should
Post by: SA Chris on August 19, 2020, 05:12:48 pm
18 - have you tried those reuseable handwarmers, or not warm enough?
Title: Re: Products that doesn't exist but should
Post by: lagerstarfish on August 19, 2020, 06:11:10 pm
11. Climbing t-shirts/thermal tops with really long torso relative to arms, so you don't get a freezing middle every time you raise your arms to climb and spot on a cold winters day.

I raised this issue a few years ago on this forum. I think the response was "buy the right size" (probably from Dense).

I did manage to score exactly the right thing from Decathlon's ski department
Title: Re: Products that doesn't exist but should
Post by: sdm on August 19, 2020, 06:34:31 pm
9. A potion/lotion that makes your skin thicker / tougher without fucking it up
I'd pay significant sums for that. Sore / split tips is usually the limiting factor for me.

Genuine question: Surely one of the various Rhino potions cautiously applied with a brush does this? With their range plus antihydral you've got concentrations of 2%, 4%, 8% and 13% methanamine so plenty of options in terms of intensity...

On the 2%, I can just about get away with applying a small amount once a week with daily moisturising.

Any more often than that, or if I use anything stronger, or if I forget to moisturise just once, and the top layers just peel away and shed before I even get to the crag, leaving even thinner, weaker tips than usual.
Title: Re: Products that doesn't exist but should
Post by: Andy F on August 19, 2020, 07:00:11 pm
The Scarpa Stix. With a better heel.
Title: Re: Products that doesn't exist but should
Post by: mrjonathanr on August 19, 2020, 07:15:05 pm
Along similar lines to previous suggestion...
18. Heated climbing boot inserts. Something to pre-heat climbing shoes between attempts on witheringly cold days.

These exist. Called ‘armpits’ :)
Title: Re: Products that doesn't exist but should
Post by: abarro81 on August 19, 2020, 07:17:33 pm
The Scarpa Stix. With a better heel.

I'd just take the old Booster S, as it was... Though mostly I want a magic cream to fix my gammy fingers
Title: Re: Products that doesn't exist but should
Post by: Doylo on August 19, 2020, 08:36:29 pm
Not really a product but advanced satellite technology that allows you to measure the height of objects (boulders) and get a 3D view.
Title: Re: Products that doesn't exist but should
Post by: andy_e on August 19, 2020, 08:57:00 pm
That technology exists (airborne LiDAR) but in the UK the only freely-available data are over rivers and floodplains (from the Environment Agency). It's amazing technology as you can "see" through vegetation too and possibly spot a big boulder lurking in a forest somewhere...
Title: Re: Products that doesn't exist but should
Post by: Doylo on August 19, 2020, 09:09:19 pm
I didn’t realise you could do 3D on Google Earth but still hard to see if something’s sizeable/decent.
Title: Re: Products that doesn't exist but should
Post by: tomtom on August 19, 2020, 09:10:19 pm
That technology exists (airborne LiDAR) but in the UK the only freely-available data are over rivers and floodplains (from the Environment Agency). It's amazing technology as you can "see" through vegetation too and possibly spot a big boulder lurking in a forest somewhere...

It can’t see under overhangs either - so you wouldn’t be able to see how steep it is.

There is oblique satellite imagery with sub metre pixel resolution now - that would work in some places. I know R man and Lee used to use google maps etc.. to scope out possible areas..
Title: Re: Products that doesn't exist but should
Post by: TobyD on August 19, 2020, 11:03:33 pm
11. Climbing t-shirts/thermal tops with really long torso relative to arms, so you don't get a freezing middle every time you raise your arms to climb and spot on a cold winters day.

Planet x base layers. I've got a couple for cycling.  Cheap,  and very long in the body.

Re the small bad for hauling on routes I've got  a black diamond bullet 16l which is ancient and still going. I climbed with it for 2 months in Yosemite including el cap several times,  scraping it up off widths, I've used it in the Verdon and all over the place,  no holes in it yet although it's a bit battered now, its 15 or 20 years old!
Title: Re: Products that doesn't exist but should
Post by: Bradders on August 20, 2020, 07:49:48 am
Along similar lines to previous suggestion...
18. Heated climbing boot inserts. Something to pre-heat climbing shoes between attempts on witheringly cold days.

These exist. Called ‘armpits’ :)

Yeah what's wrong with just sticking your boots in your down jacket between goes?
Title: Re: Products that doesn't exist but should
Post by: MischaHY on August 20, 2020, 07:52:33 am
I would think that there would be a place in the market for:

2. Small haulbags. Surely no one need more than 20 l capacity for a wall that can be done in a day? 35 l is the smallest I've seen: what on earth are people bringing on the routes?

Camp do a 25l one: https://www.camp-usa.com/outdoor/product/packs/cassin-fitz-25-haul-pack/

Actually has a reasonable back system as well. Ideal size for day missions.
Title: Re: Products that doesn't exist but should
Post by: Ballsofcottonwool on August 20, 2020, 08:23:33 am
+1 on the length of the Planet X baselayers I'm 6ft 1 and even the S/M size is so long I have to pull them up  so I'm not sitting on the hem when out on my bike.
Title: Re: Products that doesn't exist but should
Post by: jwi on August 20, 2020, 08:53:06 am
I would think that there would be a place in the market for:

2. Small haulbags. Surely no one need more than 20 l capacity for a wall that can be done in a day? 35 l is the smallest I've seen: what on earth are people bringing on the routes?

Camp do a 25l one: https://www.camp-usa.com/outdoor/product/packs/cassin-fitz-25-haul-pack/

Actually has a reasonable back system as well. Ideal size for day missions.

OUIIII, and in stock as well! Thanks!
Title: Re: Products that doesn't exist but should
Post by: nai on August 20, 2020, 09:02:00 am
Along similar lines to previous suggestion...
18. Heated climbing boot inserts. Something to pre-heat climbing shoes between attempts on witheringly cold days.

These exist. Called ‘armpits’ :)

Yeah what's wrong with just sticking your boots in your down jacket between goes?

because once you've put your foot into a shoe that's had a handwarmer inside it and been in your down jacket you'll never want to go back.

Rechargable hand warmers?  E.g:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Rechargeable-Reusable-Double-Sided-Arthritic-Sufferers/dp/B081TC24TY
Title: Re: Products that doesn't exist but should
Post by: SA Chris on August 20, 2020, 09:26:46 am
Nah, need a proper flame!

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Zippo-Hour-Easy-Re-Useable-Warmer/dp/B00ZZV9T60?ref_=ast_sto_dp
Title: Re: Products that doesn't exist but should
Post by: Alex-the-Alex on August 20, 2020, 09:33:38 am
19. BlocChocks tm - inflatable neoprene shapes/wedges that can fill holes below pads/level landings/stop sliding pads. I tried armbands once to some effect. A nice wedge shape would be excellent.
Title: Re: Products that doesn't exist but should
Post by: nai on August 20, 2020, 09:41:52 am
Nah, need a proper flame!

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Zippo-Hour-Easy-Re-Useable-Warmer/dp/B00ZZV9T60?ref_=ast_sto_dp

I was given one of these for Christmas a few years back and it was awesome. Lost it last year unfortunately.

Quite expensive to own two though.
Title: Re: Products that doesn't exist but should
Post by: SA Chris on August 20, 2020, 09:57:29 am
19. BlocChocks tm - inflatable neoprene shapes/wedges that can fill holes below pads/level landings/stop sliding pads. I tried armbands once to some effect. A nice wedge shape would be excellent.

I've thought small bean bags with a tough covering would be ideal for this.
Title: Re: Products that doesn't exist but should
Post by: SA Chris on August 20, 2020, 10:00:04 am
A mate and I were discussing easy ways of removing small pools and puddles form the bottom of problems, a common issue with seaside stuff. I now have a large car sponge and pump action water gun to go with my siphon hose.
Title: Re: Products that doesn't exist but should
Post by: MischaHY on August 20, 2020, 10:40:36 am
I would think that there would be a place in the market for:

2. Small haulbags. Surely no one need more than 20 l capacity for a wall that can be done in a day? 35 l is the smallest I've seen: what on earth are people bringing on the routes?

Camp do a 25l one: https://www.camp-usa.com/outdoor/product/packs/cassin-fitz-25-haul-pack/

Actually has a reasonable back system as well. Ideal size for day missions.

OUIIII, and in stock as well! Thanks!

Yeah it's new for 2020  :great:
Title: Re: Products that doesn't exist but should
Post by: steveri on August 20, 2020, 11:13:08 am
A mate and I were discussing easy ways of removing small pools and puddles form the bottom of problems, a common issue with seaside stuff. I now have a large car sponge and pump action water gun to go with my siphon hose.
Could you add portable dam to the range?
I was at Buttermere Boulders recently and learned SS meant Sit in Stream start.
Title: Re: Products that doesn't exist but should
Post by: SA Chris on August 20, 2020, 12:08:40 pm
TCD - Temporary Coffer Dam.
Title: Re: Products that doesn't exist but should
Post by: rjtrials on August 20, 2020, 09:17:08 pm


16) Chalkbags that don't spill chalk when closed and in a backpack / durable drawcords.

The arc'teryx aperture bag has been a total game changer for me.

The only downside is the brush attachment, but I have had mine on a tiny keeper cord/biner combo and to be honest, that was an upgrade to the bag attached method anyway.
Title: Re: Products that doesn't exist but should
Post by: tomtom on August 20, 2020, 10:48:56 pm
A portable refrigeration unit is the answer for puddles/steams below your project. Simply freeze the fucker. Good connies ahoy too!
Title: Re: Products that doesn't exist but should
Post by: Muenchener on August 21, 2020, 08:14:25 am


16) Chalkbags that don't spill chalk when closed and in a backpack / durable drawcords.

The arc'teryx aperture bag has been a total game changer for me.

Edelrid do some with a twist closure separate from the main body of the chalkbag - similar concept but I prefer it to the arcteryx ones.

The velcro loses its grippiness after a while, but a new chalkbag every couple of years doesn't feel like too much of a financial or environmental disaster.
Title: Re: Products that doesn't exist but should
Post by: Alex-the-Alex on August 21, 2020, 08:53:24 am

I've thought small bean bags with a tough covering would be ideal for this.

Oh that would work a treat. One of those big lounging beanbags half full would level most things. Might need a trailer behind the ebike though...
Title: Re: Products that doesn't exist but should
Post by: Bradders on August 21, 2020, 08:57:51 am

I've thought small bean bags with a tough covering would be ideal for this.

Oh that would work a treat. One of those big lounging beanbags half full would level most things. Might need a trailer behind the ebike though...

There is a pad, I think made by Edelrid, that includes exactly this feature.

https://www.bananafingers.co.uk/boulder-pads/edelrid/edelrid-balance
Title: Re: Products that doesn't exist but should
Post by: SA Chris on August 21, 2020, 09:07:04 am
Does it work? Anyone ever tried it?
Title: Re: Products that doesn't exist but should
Post by: tomtom on August 21, 2020, 09:12:48 am
How about filling the base (keep the top sheet of thin stiffer foam) of a regular pad with a load of these?
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B01N1O17N2/ref=sspa_dk_detail_0?psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUEzR05FTDBXU0xVUUYwJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwNjU3MDc5WVpLQkVBRUpSWVpaJmVuY3J5cHRlZEFkSWQ9QTA3MTAyOTkxNEIyNEtLSUJRWDVFJndpZGdldE5hbWU9c3BfZGV0YWlsMiZhY3Rpb249Y2xpY2tSZWRpcmVjdCZkb05vdExvZ0NsaWNrPXRydWU=

Title: Re: Products that doesn't exist but should
Post by: Bonjoy on August 21, 2020, 09:42:37 am
Along similar lines to previous suggestion...
18. Heated climbing boot inserts. Something to pre-heat climbing shoes between attempts on witheringly cold days.

These exist. Called ‘armpits’ :)

Yeah what's wrong with just sticking your boots in your down jacket between goes?
I find this slow and ineffective on very cold days.
Also it'd be nice to be using one pair while warming a 2nd pair, without having to climb in a jacket full of boots.
Title: Re: Products that doesn't exist but should
Post by: SA Chris on August 21, 2020, 09:49:33 am
How about filling the base (keep the top sheet of thin stiffer foam) of a regular pad with a load of these?

Or have a "snake" filled with those? You could spread them out or tie it off to have them all in one end.
Title: Re: Products that doesn't exist but should
Post by: Fultonius on August 21, 2020, 10:59:33 am
A mate and I were discussing easy ways of removing small pools and puddles form the bottom of problems, a common issue with seaside stuff. I now have a large car sponge and pump action water gun to go with my siphon hose.

https://www.halfords.com/tools/power-tools-and-accessories/power-tool-accessories/laser-drill-pump-221959.html

+ hose + 18V drill....
Title: Re: Products that doesn't exist but should
Post by: SA Chris on August 21, 2020, 11:07:09 am
Like I'd carry a drill to the crag. What do you think i am, a sport climber? Steel brush attachment would be good for cleaning lichen though :)
Title: Re: Products that doesn't exist but should
Post by: Fultonius on August 21, 2020, 11:08:14 am
I would think that there would be a place in the market for:

1. Lightweight approach shoes. (Nope, Evolv Cruzer would have been close to lightweight if they had used something less daft than canvas for the uppers, but they have now been discontinued. The lightest approach shoes on the market now are about the same weight as two camalot 5s. No one clips that to the harness unless they must. The lightest trail-running shoes on the market weight about as much as a quickdraw, for comparison)


Back to this - that's precisely what I want!  I've got Saucony trail shoes, which grip well on both wet/dry rock and typical Scottish heather, grass, mud etc. But, they are sieves, so let any hint of water straight in, don't quite have the stiffness and burliness required to last more than a season, and no clip loops.

I've just shelled out on Scarpa Crux's, which are great, but too heavy and the sole is not lugged enough for my liking. For the amount of "actual" scrambling I do, a "climbing" sole is just not good enough.

Was looking at the La Sportiva Guide TX:  https://www.sportiva.com/tx-guide.html  but would like to try them on, and they're not an awful lot lighter than the TX4/Scarpa Crux anyway...  Maybe the Jackal?  https://www.sportiva.com/jackal.html
Title: Re: Products that doesn't exist but should
Post by: duncan on August 21, 2020, 12:17:38 pm
I would think that there would be a place in the market for:

2. Small haulbags. Surely no one need more than 20 l capacity for a wall that can be done in a day? 35 l is the smallest I've seen: what on earth are people bringing on the routes?

Camp do a 25l one: https://www.camp-usa.com/outdoor/product/packs/cassin-fitz-25-haul-pack/

Actually has a reasonable back system as well. Ideal size for day missions.

Looks ideal. jwi’s sacrificial cheap day pack was my first thought but it wouldn’t survive a trip up something like the S. Face of the Marmolada.
Title: Re: Products that doesn't exist but should
Post by: tomtom on August 21, 2020, 12:34:35 pm
A Bouldering/climbing approach shoe is a bit of a moon on a stick job though...

Sometimes a firm sole - sometimes soft. Sometimes lugged for mud, sometimes slicker for rock. Light to wear but heavyweight enough to be supportive in certain circumstances etc.. waterproof but not too heavy etc.. etc...
Title: Re: Products that doesn't exist but should
Post by: SA Chris on August 21, 2020, 12:35:27 pm
Maaaaargret!
Title: Re: Products that doesn't exist but should
Post by: nai on August 21, 2020, 01:12:25 pm
I would think that there would be a place in the market for:

2. Small haulbags. Surely no one need more than 20 l capacity for a wall that can be done in a day? 35 l is the smallest I've seen: what on earth are people bringing on the routes?

Camp do a 25l one: https://www.camp-usa.com/outdoor/product/packs/cassin-fitz-25-haul-pack/

Actually has a reasonable back system as well. Ideal size for day missions.

Looks ideal. jwi’s sacrificial cheap day pack was my first thought but it wouldn’t survive a trip up something like the S. Face of the Marmolada.


No idea if this is relevant but just spotted these while looking at their pads:

https://alpkit.com/collections/bouldering-mats/products/el-packer-small

https://alpkit.com/collections/bouldering-mats/products/el-packer-medium
Title: Re: Products that doesn't exist but should
Post by: MischaHY on August 21, 2020, 02:41:13 pm
I would think that there would be a place in the market for:

2. Small haulbags. Surely no one need more than 20 l capacity for a wall that can be done in a day? 35 l is the smallest I've seen: what on earth are people bringing on the routes?

Camp do a 25l one: https://www.camp-usa.com/outdoor/product/packs/cassin-fitz-25-haul-pack/

Actually has a reasonable back system as well. Ideal size for day missions.

Looks ideal. jwi’s sacrificial cheap day pack was my first thought but it wouldn’t survive a trip up something like the S. Face of the Marmolada.


No idea if this is relevant but just spotted these while looking at their pads:

https://alpkit.com/collections/bouldering-mats/products/el-packer-small

https://alpkit.com/collections/bouldering-mats/products/el-packer-medium

I reckon they'd get knackered really quickly, they're only designed for internal organisation within a proper haulbag if I understand it properly, whereas the Camp bag is a mini haul-bag with the proper outer material.
Title: Re: Products that doesn't exist but should
Post by: jwi on August 21, 2020, 07:49:39 pm
A Bouldering/climbing approach shoe is a bit of a moon on a stick job though...

Sometimes a firm sole - sometimes soft. Sometimes lugged for mud, sometimes slicker for rock. Light to wear but heavyweight enough to be supportive in certain circumstances etc.. waterproof but not too heavy etc.. etc...

I just want a light weight shoe with sticky rubber. I am willing to sacrifice everything else   
Title: Re: Products that doesn't exist but should
Post by: petejh on August 21, 2020, 10:35:37 pm
Could send a pair of lightweight trail-running shoes to a good rock shoe resoler and ask for 5.10 S1 canyoning rubber. Could even buy the canyoning rubber yourself and send with shoe to resoler.
Title: Re: Products that doesn't exist but should
Post by: Fultonius on August 22, 2020, 09:59:37 am
That's what Es and Fin do for the cuillin traverse. Walsh's resoled with dimple rubber.

Try Sacuony trail running shoes, according to people much more in the know than me, they're significantly stickier than innov8s and salmon etc. I've found them pretty good on rock.
Title: Re: Products that doesn't exist but should
Post by: jwi on June 25, 2022, 10:16:04 am
I would think that there would be a place in the market for:

2. Small haulbags. Surely no one need more than 20 l capacity for a wall that can be done in a day? 35 l is the smallest I've seen: what on earth are people bringing on the routes?

Camp do a 25l one: https://www.camp-usa.com/outdoor/product/packs/cassin-fitz-25-haul-pack/

Actually has a reasonable back system as well. Ideal size for day missions.

OUIIII, and in stock as well! Thanks!

I just bought this one and have used it on one route with a long approach (so we slept on the approach). Amazingly well designed haulbag! Extendable enough so it is possible to fit in some extra camping equipment and small enough when compacted to be useful on a single day route. Hauls well of course. Wish you +ve karma for the good advice.
Title: Re: Products that doesn't exist but should
Post by: MischaHY on June 26, 2022, 02:18:19 pm
I would think that there would be a place in the market for:

2. Small haulbags. Surely no one need more than 20 l capacity for a wall that can be done in a day? 35 l is the smallest I've seen: what on earth are people bringing on the routes?

Camp do a 25l one: https://www.camp-usa.com/outdoor/product/packs/cassin-fitz-25-haul-pack/

Actually has a reasonable back system as well. Ideal size for day missions.

OUIIII, and in stock as well! Thanks!

I just bought this one and have used it on one route with a long approach (so we slept on the approach). Amazingly well designed haulbag! Extendable enough so it is possible to fit in some extra camping equipment and small enough when compacted to be useful on a single day route. Hauls well of course. Wish you +ve karma for the good advice.

Nae bother   ;D

Glad to hear it worked well!
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