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#500 Re: something for the holiday sir?
November 07, 2017, 12:40:00 pm
recently they added a 15mm 1.7.

This is a brilliant lens, size and price very reasonable compared to the other ďPanaleicaĒ ones. The Panasonic 7-14 is also good value secondhand at around £400 if you donít need a filter thread. Itís more flare-prone on Olympus bodies apparently though.

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#501 Re: something for the holiday sir?
November 07, 2017, 12:52:56 pm
Last time I looked wide options were limited.

Same response as usual to this...

Ok, so which did you go for? What would you recommend for Ben, given his budget?

Looks little improved to me - the kit zooms get you to 14mm anyway, then you can spend a fortune to get either a tiny bit wider, a fisheye or a pricey slow zoom. And if I was going to drop a monkey on a 12mm I'd get a pro zoom. Samyang 10mm is the only one that sits in between but is huge, and again pricey. Plus limited used market on any of these as they're all new. Fuck knows why no one got the memo that m4/3's USP is size.

I agree Nikon DX is even worse, one reason mine hasn't been used in 18 months. But no one's suggesting considering Nikon DX.

Ben, pretty sure your wide was a 19mm. Dig it out and we can check if it's usable on my A7 - I'm sure it will be fine. The A7 manual focus experience is the best I've ever used. The only negative I've found is the combined viewfinder and shutter delay are noticeable when coming from a pro DSLR, but I soon got over it. The A7 Raw files are head and shoulders above any others I've produced - great colour, no noise and bags of shadow and highlight latitude. With the 90mm macro I can lend you it'll also function as a very good slide scanner.


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#502 Re: something for the holiday sir?
November 07, 2017, 01:03:30 pm
Ok, so which did you go for? What would you recommend for Ben, given his budget?

The Panasonic 14mm/2.5 is tiny and dirt cheap, and good enough, although I sold mine as I shot virtually everything at 20mm or 45mm. I have a tiny collapsible 12-35mm zoom which I would use for wide now, although it comes out almost exclusively for video only.


And if I was going to drop a monkey on a 12mm I'd get a pro zoom.

Fuck knows why no one got the memo that m4/3's USP is size.

So it would seem.

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#503 Re: something for the holiday sir?
November 07, 2017, 01:43:17 pm
The m4/3 pro zooms are way smaller than the 35mm equivalent. The m4/3 wide primes mostly aren't.

I doubt 14mm will be wide enough for Ben's tastes given his 19mm back catalogue. The great thing about full-frame mirrorless is the lens choice, you've got 60+ years to go at with every budget catered for.

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#504 Re: something for the holiday sir?
November 07, 2017, 02:14:55 pm
The pro zooms are still pretty big for m4/3. They only look small compared with the latest stuff from Nikon, where they have gone full crack-bubbling in terms of huge zooms.

Yet some of the primes are tiny. I think the Zuiko 12/2 is smaller than any non-Leica 24mm legacy prime. The Panasonic 14mm is barely any bigger than an OM rear lens cap. Even the Samyang 12mm is overall probably less bulk than a Nikon 24mm. Some of the third party primes like the Voigtlanders and Samyangs are annoyingly big, but partly because they're building them cross-platform to also work on Fuji system etc etc. Also the general trend in new primes is to make them huge with big front elements (see the latest zeiss stuff, and of course voigtlander and zeiss are bother made by cosina).

I agree the Sony system looks a winner for using legacy glass, if you're happy with the focussing. Just a shame that all the Leica M glass at the wider-than-normal end on the Sonys seems to be crippled in terms of edge performance from what I've seen.

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#505 Re: something for the holiday sir?
November 07, 2017, 03:09:00 pm
I've got an EM5 with an Oly 12-50 and a 50 1.8. The latter is superb. The former is fine considering it costs nothing: it's a bit long (length, not focal length), sure, it's a bit slow, sure, but having 24-100 equiv. when out and about is dead handy. It's light too. Great for big MTB days. The mk2 versions of the EM5 and EM10 have improved handling from what I remember. In an ideal world I'd have a Fuji or Sony setup.

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#506 Re: something for the holiday sir?
November 07, 2017, 06:34:41 pm
Does anyone have any experience with the Sony a6xxx series (a6000, a6300, etc)? Son #1 (turns 18 soon) has set his heart on getting a a6300, primarily for filming video in the mountains (splitboarding / alpine climbing) but he seems to be getting more interested in still photography also. I was trying to steer him toward a m4/3 camera on the basis that there are more lenses available and generally the format is a bit lighter/ cheaper than the bigger sensor Sony. Anyone have views on that also?

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#507 Re: something for the holiday sir?
November 07, 2017, 07:12:39 pm
Does anyone have any experience with the Sony a6xxx series (a6000, a6300, etc)? Son #1 (turns 18 soon) has set his heart on getting a a6300, primarily for filming video in the mountains (splitboarding / alpine climbing)

I have no personal experience with one but the 6000 series is notorious for heavy rolling shutter- not good for anything where the camera's going to move quickly or anything's going to move quickly past it.



M43 works well for video for me.

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#508 Re: something for the holiday sir?
November 07, 2017, 07:38:40 pm
Thanks! Son #1 claims he knows about that but it sounds to me like he should look into it again.

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#509 Re: something for the holiday sir?
November 07, 2017, 07:44:25 pm
I haven't used the 6000 series, but another one to consider might be a used Sony RX10. It's basically a high end bridge camera but is very highly regarded for video. The Mk1 is now an absolute bargain used, and includes a 24-200 (equiv) constant f/2.8 Zeiss zoom. Yes. I know. I've shot two walking guides for Cofe now with mine and it's an amazing bit of kit. It's a one inch sensor which is a step down from m4/3 or DX but is a lot bigger than the average cinecam sensor.

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#510 Re: something for the holiday sir?
November 23, 2017, 07:30:38 pm
Hey, I'm off travelling in a month, and myself and my girlfriend would like to get a decent new camera to share. Neither of us have any photographic knowledge at all although I don't mind learning "the basics" if there is such a thing. So realistically we're probably looking for something easy to use and compact that gives good shots. Am happy to take alternative suggestions though. Probs going to be of people and landscapes mainly. I expect we'll go up to £200 ish. Any good Black Friday deals out there that people have seen that I should check out?

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#511 Re: something for the holiday sir?
November 24, 2017, 07:52:20 am
Panasonic Lx7, or see previous post about RX10. Harrison's have a couple in second hand at the mo for £375. This is a Deal.

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#512 Re: something for the holiday sir?
November 24, 2017, 08:19:09 am
Ive been using Floís LX7 and itís great Nige, videos great too, I recommend it. I had a RX100III and didnít like it.

If youíre after something cheaper you canít go wrong with the canon S-(bigger number = more £) range, full manual and decent video in a very small camera. Buy a bunch of batteries off eBay.

Have a great time

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#513 Re: something for the holiday sir?
November 24, 2017, 10:08:42 am
Nice one guys, I knew the experts would come to the rescue! Might catch you before we go Guy, you coming works do?

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#514 Re: something for the holiday sir?
November 24, 2017, 01:18:02 pm
If youíre after something cheaper you canít go wrong with the canon S-(bigger number = more £) range, full manual and decent video in a very small camera. Buy a bunch of batteries off eBay.

I'm not convinced my S95 gives outputs much better than Nat's iFern 5C or my much cheaper Moto G4 (if you ignore RAW capability which I'm assuming Nige will).

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#515 Re: something for the holiday sir?
November 24, 2017, 03:57:06 pm
My S95 video is pretty poor. The photos can be good, depends if you make an effort. However, it's survived many a drop that would have killed a phone and it still keeps on working well. So far over a 1000 shots in Font this month and that's 900 more than I'd take with a camera as I'm happy to clamber up trees and boulders with it in my hand.

Can't say I'd get another one, I think generally the equivalent Panasonic takes better pics but I can't complain about it either.

 

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