[dave]

A bit more than that, some people dont even use the internet.

Now you're just being silly. 

Apparently there's quite an Armish scene down the popular end most weekends.

[Andy B]

Armish? People with big arms yes?

[dave]

yeah big fuck off arms, like jim gave birth to popeye's baby.

[grumpycrumpy]

"That's too complicated for the Cocktalk masses. Apparently." A bit more than that, some people dont even use the internet.

How do you choose between causing a group of people to struggle in several possible respects or a smaller subset of another but better informed group who will get annoyed but who can easily translate? At least the decision gives good bitching opportunities.

Sorry but I still don't get it Offwidth...... So you're saying that there's a possibility of someone reading a description of let's say The Asp , E3 6a 12m , turning up at Stanage , throwing their mat underneath it , having a truly scary time and then blaming the guidebook for confusing them ..... Because if indeed this is the case then maybe you should put a sticker on the cover of each guidebook saying " not to be used by fuckwits " ....... 

[Sloper]

We have a winner!

I actually think we need a new grading system with a variable for morons, eg have you asked cocktalk for beta for your onsite? etc

[grumpycrumpy]

We have a winner!

Do I get a prize ? ........

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[Offwidth]

"Sorry but I still don't get it Offwidth...... "

It's not rocket science .... keen boulderers can normally sort things out for themselves, however plenty of chuffers know squat about bouldering grades and need more help (especially a UK trad grade). Remember this is the first peak series including such grades. It would be a nice idea  to be whimsical and produce a guide that returned most upgraded Extremes back to HVS, reinstalled all the low-grade sandbags and used font grades to keep the Slopers of the world happy.... but not very commercial. We still left plenty of fun for those who look.... and only a month to go now.

[Drew]

Anyone know when its due out ?

14 months after the question was first asked... drum roll please... Froggatt is now in stock!!!

Looks like it was worth the wait too.

[Offwidth]

Freedom at last.  Even elephants dont take this long.

[andyh]

Hold on, they got the name of one of my routes wrong.

Back to the printers lads...

[cofe]

Was it Sunset Slab?

[Jaspersharpe]

That's all very well but I've just looked at the sample chapter and they've used V grades for the bouldering.

[dave]

at least fiend will be happy then, and thats the main thing.

[Fiend]

at least Jasper will be annoyed, then I'll be happy