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#500 Re: One for the runners
September 26, 2022, 12:33:25 pm
On the carbon shoes point, it's worth having a look at this paper :-

https://scholarworks.sfasu.edu/kinesiology/33/

Sorry, just noticed this is paywalled. One of my friends sent me a copy I think - I'll try and find it!

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#501 Re: One for the runners
September 26, 2022, 12:49:04 pm
My previous race shoes were Adidas Ultraboosts, which have practically zero stack by comparison, so guess anything is beneficial. I have been working on increasing cadence and not overstriding, as I think that was causing fatigue and injury, and i think doing this gives benefits from shoes like the Vaporfly, where i think you get better economy if you midstrike.

As T_B says, you can get the older Vaporfly for a reasonable price if you don't mind colour (mine are bright orange!) I think i go them direct from Nike. Fit is not ideal, I think they suit a slightly wider foot than mine.

I'll probably try do another half before the end of the year, there are a few choices around. Fitness and motivation, plus not being injured! (touch wood!).

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#502 Re: One for the runners
September 26, 2022, 01:43:02 pm
I'm a carbon convert, they definitely make a difference. Thing with them is they all have a different tune, foam, fit etc. Nike are a go to because they are the obvious choice.

I have some New Balance TC (v1), incredibly soft foam & relatively heavy for a race shoe, but I did my 5k pb in them. I also have the Endorphin Pro (v1) such a light & fast shoe. They have the Hoka speed roll type thing, but feel narrow on the sole. Personally I'm not heavy or fast enough for them on say a marathon, but up to a half they are ace.

Main take away with carbon is try a few. They are also hard on the Achilles & calves, so watch out.

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#503 Re: One for the runners
September 26, 2022, 01:49:17 pm
Jack Kuenzle and Finlay Wild both went for cutting laces off their fell shoes and swapping to carbon plated shoes for the last stretch to Keswick on BGRs.

Ran 1:29 HM in Vaporflys that were £100 on sale from Nike. Felt faster than training shoes / I did a lot of training on park trails.

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#504 Re: One for the runners
September 26, 2022, 02:07:03 pm
Iím running London a week today so psyche is high!

Good luck Tom, it's an incredible experience. Expect to run over the distance btw, and factor it into your pace, it's impossible not to. And get a pacing wrist band if you can, GPS goes to wonk in a few places, so watch not 100% reliable.

Thanks for the tips. I thought I had the GPS issue sorted by hitting the lap button at each 10k marker, so I could track pace more accurately. But I havenít got the right display options or something set up.

Regarding time, a devil keeps jumping from shoulder to shoulder. One tells me to ignore time as this is likely a once in a lifetime race, so donít muck it up, the other is saying this is a one in a lifetime race and youíve just trained in a focussed way for 16 weeks so try and get the best time possible.

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#505 Re: One for the runners
September 26, 2022, 02:29:57 pm
You can grab timing bands for free when you collect your event pack, along with anything else you might possibly ever need for running, it's quire a spectacle. TBH I didn't stick around there for long, found it just raised my nerves higher than needed.

I know what you mean re: timing. I had 4 hours in my head, but didn't factor in 1) the amount you run over distance due to sheer numbers 2) that I overhydrated and needed to stop for a piss 3) stopping to give family who had come to support me a hug 4) my ITB starting to pack in in the last 5 km when I realised how close I was to my time. In the end, 4:00:12 is not bad, but those 12 seconds still bother me.

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#506 Re: One for the runners
September 26, 2022, 04:56:37 pm
Main take away with carbon is try a few. They are also hard on the Achilles & calves, so watch out.

Expensive option! My calves are in bits today.

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#507 Re: One for the runners
September 26, 2022, 05:02:52 pm
What's your plan for next year? My process for deciding would be:

- if you're going to keep doing the ultras next year, and maybe this half marathon stuff is just a temporary phase, then do Fraserburgh. You've got good pace currently, and you've got time for a good 6/7 weeks training, taper, and then put in a solid race, with huge PB potential (flatter course, confidence, extra specific training, cooler temps). Then you can move towards distance after that, with a good record in the bank, and you'll have a nice foundation of pace to start the training in the new year.

I have no plan! I chop and change interests between activities based on moods. I think I've done about 10 half marathons, a couple of 15 milers, 2 Ring of Stealls, one marathon and 1 ultra.  Might do Illuminator again just for the experience.

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#508 Re: One for the runners
September 26, 2022, 05:26:18 pm
I have no plan! I chop and change interests between activities based on moods. I think I've done about 10 half marathons, a couple of 15 milers, 2 Ring of Stealls, one marathon and 1 ultra.  Might do Illuminator again just for the experience.
Then no worries! Whichever you decide will be fun, and you'll still be fit for whatever you take on next. Can just enjoy the running now 8)

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#509 Re: One for the runners
September 28, 2022, 10:49:50 am
https://www.facebook.com/Strava/photos/a.2367263883288021/6177818095565895/

Thought this was very interesting. Shows a lot about psychology.

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#510 Re: One for the runners
September 28, 2022, 05:14:27 pm
https://www.facebook.com/Strava/photos/a.2367263883288021/6177818095565895/

Thought this was very interesting. Shows a lot about psychology.

Interesting graph. Are you referring to the spikes where people are finishing just inside a benchmark time (e.g. 4h)? It appears that this is enough motivation for most people to push that bit harder.

Equally suggests most people aren't trying as hard as they could, otherwise it'd be a smooth bell curve!

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#511 Re: One for the runners
September 28, 2022, 09:47:32 pm
Are you referring to the spikes where people are finishing just inside a benchmark time (e.g. 4h)? It appears that this is enough motivation for most people to push that bit harder.

Yes. pacers who are running to half hour intervals at a lot of major races could have the effect too.

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#512 Re: One for the runners
September 29, 2022, 08:43:01 am
Are you referring to the spikes where people are finishing just inside a benchmark time (e.g. 4h)? It appears that this is enough motivation for most people to push that bit harder.

Yes. pacers who are running to half hour intervals at a lot of major races could have the effect too.
I think the data source probably has an impact, being marathons uploaded to Strava. The data source will presumably be biased towards the runners who'll be monitoring their pace rather than those who'll pace themselves by feel. Would be interesting to compare to data before the widespread adoption of GPS watches.

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#513 Re: One for the runners
September 29, 2022, 09:23:15 am
It would be, but be very hard to collate. The uptake of GPS watches is very high among runners, and I think those that don't use their phones. 90% of runners I know use Strava too.

Wonder if the same would exist in climbing with number of ascents of 7a/As and 8a/As? 

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#514 Re: One for the runners
September 29, 2022, 09:41:37 am
Wonder if the same would exist in climbing with number of ascents of 7a/As and 8a/As?
Pretty sure jwi has produced a graph to show that it definitely does. It wouldnít surprise me if the spike was even more marked in climbing as you can achieve on any day at any time on any route. With a marathon (or any other distance), you have to perform on the day.

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#515 Re: One for the runners
September 29, 2022, 10:06:09 am
It would be, but be very hard to collate. The uptake of GPS watches is very high among runners, and I think those that don't use their phones. 90% of runners I know use Strava too.

Wonder if the same would exist in climbing with number of ascents of 7a/As and 8a/As?
Yeah, I was thinking that when I did my first marathon (2005), then GPS watches existed but weren't ubiquitous. I went into it not really knowing what time I was aiming for (partly because I never bothered to figure out how far I ran on training runs) and ran it by feel. Total contrast to my last half-marathon where I had a definite target time and knew my pace, distance etc. throughout and finished 15 seconds inside my target.

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#516 Re: One for the runners
September 29, 2022, 12:52:45 pm
I ran my previous fastest race 10k & half without GPS as I forgot to charge my watch.

If you are fairly experienced, feel fit on the day you don't necessarily need a watch to tell you you are running hard & on for a decent time.

Famously Steve Jones never raced with a watch & missed the marathon WR by a few seconds, saying I couldn't of gone any faster.

**Edit** I then got a bit more serious, bought flash shoes & smashed my pb's on my own.

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#517 Re: One for the runners
December 06, 2022, 01:45:14 pm
https://runningmagazine.ca/trail-running/legendary-climber-alex-honnold-is-also-a-ninja-ultrarunner/

I'm better than Honnold at something (although I would probably melt doing an Ultra there).

 

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