[mark]

Anyone know where this is? The photo was up on 8a with the caption "Acrobat 7a+ (Hella)".

[BenF]

I don't know but it looks fantastic.  I did quick search on Google (as I'm sure you did) and found nothing except people saying stuff like "the bouldering was good man, did one one hella cool problem... etc etc."

[dave]

sweden or iceland or some shit?

[BenF]

Well that narrows it down Dave.    Erm, somewhere by the sea...  with rocks...  and plants...

[andy_e]

with rocks...

Well there's sedimentary structures in there.

[runt]

Looks a bit like Gothenburg way? maybe post on jug.nu and ask that lot?

[mark]

Yup, Ben, I did the same and encountered a million pages of Americans raving about hella cool problems. jug.nu is a good idea as I reckon dave is right and it is probably Swizzle or Izzle, perhaps even Nizzle or Fizzle. Probably not Dizzle as I believe they have very little rock. Check me, I'm so down.

Runt, good idea. I'm hoping it is Gothenburg. My wife lived there for a while and would like to visit again. If there is much climbing like this problem in the area then I'm keen.

andi, are you a geologimator? What rock type do you reckon? Looks a lot like grit to me.

[superfurrymonkey]

The guy in the picture is from Norway, his name is at the top of the picture.

[GCW]

Only one result for Hella on google Earth.  Norway.

[Bubba]

Panorama here (requires java)

Looks rocky and by water so could be the same place.

[mark]

Thanks guys. Looks a gorgeous place though not anywhere near where I hoped it was.

Dolly, if you read this, you were in Norway last summer, weren't you? Anywhere near this?

[GCW]

You a Scout then Bubbs?  Dib dib dib.....

[Monolith]

From first hand experience, Norway has millions of undeveloped blocs. I saw rock for miles around Haugesund when travelling from Stavanger to there. Get your arses on a cheap flight and go explore.

[Bubba]

You a Scout then Bubbs?  Dib dib dib.....

My secret is out

[BenF]

Maybe you should set up a UKB Scout Troop.  We could all be in your patrol.  And wear neckchiefs and woggles.

[andy_e]

andi, are you a geologimator? What rock type do you reckon? Looks a lot like grit to me.

I pretend to be. I know fuck all about sedimentary rocks (unless there's a great big fault running through them  )

I reckon it's a coarse sandstone too, but those lighter-coloured inter-beds look calcareous and much finer grained...

[Dolly]

Dolly, if you read this, you were in Norway last summer, weren't you? Anywhere near this?

No 'fraid not. Mind you there's so much rock there like Monolith says, I wouldn't get too concerned about searching out a particular area TBH. I couldn't find either of the 2 areas from the Norwegian bouldering site which were meant to be near where we were staying but found some good blocs just in the forest. 2 minutes brushing and I was away

[AndyR]

andi, are you a geologimator? What rock type do you reckon? Looks a lot like grit to me.

Looks like a fine grained sandstone to me, with thin partings of mudstone at the bedding planes - some possible load casts/tooling marks on the lower bedding surfaces (assuming rocks are right way up) - I reckon a greywacke - similar to the rocks that make up wicklow head and quite a few bits of central wales.
Looks nice.

[andy popp]

I'm not sure about the panorama - that lake is completely surrounded by hills but there are none in the background to Mark's photo -besides I couldn't stop it turning and it made my head feel funny. I'm going to Bergen for a conference next summer and a friend there who know some climbers has promised to hool me up with the locals. Anyone been round that part?

[dave]

From first hand experience, Norway has millions of undeveloped blocs. I saw rock for miles around Haugesund when travelling from Stavanger to there. Get your arses on a cheap flight and go explore.

i've got a mate who'll be working in stavanger next year which bodes well for me going over there at some point. Looking forward to a nice £5 pint.

[andy popp]

Only one result for Hella on google Earth.  Norway.

However, there's also a Hella Point (complete with climbing) just south of Chair Ladder.

[saltbeef]

Looking forward to a nice £5 pint.

off to london?

[slackline]

Looking forward to a nice £5 pint.

You won't have to leave the country soon if the brewers forecasts are anything to go by Beer Price Warning.

[dave]

Looking forward to a nice £5 pint.

off to london?

not while i've got a breath of life in me!

[nash1]

Here's the guide to the area around Stavanger...
http://www.buldreinfo.com/forer.php

Not sure you guys found Hella, it looks more on the coast than on a fjord, and it looks like it is around Bergen... There is quite a lot around there, I will ask some lads from up that wat to confirm...

[Monolith]

You'll find that price is more like £6.50-8.00 in Stavanger harbour, especially around Oil Show time. I (ashamedly) worked on the set design for Total with one of my relatives back in 04. You will never find such a high concentration of the worlds wealthiest people. Pretty sickening.

As an aside, I was beavering away in the workshop one day next door to the climbing wall when I looked outside and saw Steve McClure. Pretty strange moment.

[andy_e]

Why is there so much taboo around oil companies? It's as if working for shell makes you the devil incarnate...

[Johnny Brown]

Well you're doing a geology degree, you've probably realised there are two main career choices for you, academia or oil. I guess most folk study geology (I know I did) cos they are interested in the landscape and how its made up. To then go and dig it up, build hideous plant all over it and directly contribute to THE global warming industry makes most feel a little as if they are selling their soul... not that driving a car makes you any less responsible.

[andy_e]

Obviously in geology it's different as that's where the money is but for non-geological types, there seems to be a social stigma, if you work with oil, you're pure evil and responsible for killing polar bears and not giving your children a future etc., but why does there have to be? The world needs oil still, and surely working in exploration is good, because you're stopping the world from grinding to a halt when the known reserves run out...

[Falling Down]

Dave... its more like £5 for a half pint. 

Hella looks like the area around Bergen to me. Chris Hamper of the hang lives around there and the climbing is ace when its not pissing with rain.

Andy P - When you go to Bergen, head for the bar in the basement of the SAS Radission in the square (not the one by the Briggen) on a Thursday night.  Me and mate from work dived in there for a pint one night after work and I swear it was like the Carlsberg advert on the telly.  It was full, and I mean chock full of the fittest women you have ever seen in your life and they luurrve to talk to shy english types. 

[Monolith]

Oh aye it wasn't a conventional pint was it. Around the half pint mark as FD says. 'Tau' I think is the name of the local beer (so named after the island) Check spelling and definitely check out the drink.

[AndyR]

Obviously in geology it's different as that's where the money is but for non-geological types, there seems to be a social stigma, if you work with oil, you're pure evil and responsible for killing polar bears and not giving your children a future etc., but why does there have to be? The world needs oil still, and surely working in exploration is good, because you're stopping the world from grinding to a halt when the known reserves run out...

In geology right now, I'd say the money is in mining.

[Stubbs]

Well you're doing a geology degree, you've probably realised there are two main career choices for you, academia or oil.

Looking at all the people who did my degree course I'd say the two main choices are Environmental Consultancy and Oil, there's very few full time academic posts.

Andi - Wiki some of the main oil companies and look at human rights violations etc, then you'll see why people have beef with oil companies.

[dave]

Well you're doing a geology degree, you've probably realised there are two main career choices for you, academia or oil.

Looking at all the people who did my degree course I'd say the two main choices are Environmental Consultancy and Oil, there's very few full time academic posts.

don't forget natural gas.

[andy popp]

Andy P - When you go to Bergen, head for the bar in the basement of the SAS Radission in the square (not the one by the Briggen) on a Thursday night.  Me and mate from work dived in there for a pint one night after work and I swear it was like the Carlsberg advert on the telly.  It was full, and I mean chock full of the fittest women you have ever seen in your life and they luurrve to talk to shy english types. 

Good knowledge!

[andy_e]

Andi - Wiki some of the main oil companies and look at human rights violations etc, then you'll see why people have beef with oil companies.

Wikipedia- a highly accurate source of information 

Leeds University Union don't sell Nestle products because of their human rights violaions. Fair enough, the stereotypical eco-rah student would love the union, which is fine, except I want smarties 

[slackline]

Andi - Wiki some of the main oil companies and look at human rights violations etc, then you'll see why people have beef with oil companies.

Wikipedia- a highly accurate source of information 

Why are you always so quick to disparage?

If you don't trust wiki's (not specifically wikipedia) then search a bit wider, the various stories at Amnesty are likely to be fairly reputable/accurate.

Nigeria
Sudan1 Sudan2
Columbia
Chad & Cameroon

[SA Chris]

Leeds University Union don't sell Nestle products because of their human rights violaions. Fair enough, the stereotypical eco-rah student would love the union, which is fine, except I want smarties 

And the relevance is?

Also prove the wiki as being wrong, based on your vast experience of most things. Any information written anywhere is based on the opinions of the writer.

[andy_e]

Oil company human rights violations and nestle human rights violations...

[Jaspersharpe]

And you give a fuck about neither. Fine. Go work for an oil company if you like but don't try to justify their actions as it's not going to work.

[GCW]

You can't have your Smarties and eat them.

[BenF]

The world needs oil still, and surely working in exploration is good, because you're stopping the world from grinding to a halt when the known reserves run out...

Of course we all need oil to carry out our lives right now (maybe one day they'll be a viable alternative) but we don't need to agree with the way in which oil companies operate.  We don't really have the choice not to be dependent upon oil, but we do have the choice to campaign and argue against the way these companies provide their product.

[AndyR]

Of course we all need oil to carry out our lives right now (maybe one day they'll be a viable alternative)

We'll need oil for a long time to keep Webbo in paraffin to clean his bike parts....

[SA Chris]

We don't really have the choice not to be dependent upon oil, but we do have the choice to campaign and argue against the way these companies provide their product.

None are good, but we do have a choice over which ones are worse than others. Get biodiesel where you can and
http://www.stopesso.com/why.php

[BenF]

Yeah, I realise that there are alternatives around but as an overall global economy, we are still dependent upon oil without any large scale alternatives for the myriad of uses that we require. 

Personally I only use peanut butter. 

Note the difference in my statement to "I use peanut butter personally".

[Stubbs]

Get biodiesel where you can and

Biodiesel doesn't present any sort of answer above a small scale and is leading to problems of its own http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2007/aug/22/guardiansocietysupplement.environment

[webbo]

Of course we all need oil to carry out our lives right now (maybe one day they'll be a viable alternative)

We'll need oil for a long time to keep Webbo in paraffin to clean his bike parts....

i've been tempted to use it to clean my other parts but that would really piss the missus off.

[BenF]

i've been tempted to use it to clean my other parts but that would really piss the missus off.

Have you tried peanut butter?

[AndyR]

Of course we all need oil to carry out our lives right now (maybe one day they'll be a viable alternative)

We'll need oil for a long time to keep Webbo in paraffin to clean his bike parts....

i've been tempted to use it to clean my other parts but that would really piss the missus off.

It'd stop them getting rusty though...

[Stoat]

Haven't smoked oil for years. Where you all getting it? It's a bit messy, but you laugh your tits off.