[GCW]

Oh, and I noticed in the intro that Bridestones is being omitted to rest it, but a PDF will be along later?  Am I misreading or is this self defeating?

[Sypeland]

Oh, and I noticed in the intro that Bridestones is being omitted to rest it, but a PDF will be along later?  Am I misreading or is this self defeating?

To be fare it says;
Due to the vast number of bouldering areas it was not practical to include every crag, however total-climbing has many of the omitted crags as free pdf downloads.........We decided it was best to "rest" Bridestones and include some new venues to help take the strain.

I interpret that as saying there won't be a Bridestones pdf?

[Sypeland]

Fare?Fair?

[GCW]

Fair.
Fair enough.  I know the place anyway.  Let's keep it for future generations. 

[Sypeland]

Fair enough.  I know the place anyway.  Let's keep it for future generations. 

Who will all wonder where that splendid looking arête is on page 15!

[GCW]

Exactly.  Most excellent problemo, which I'd probably hunt out if I saw the photo but didn't know where it was.
But photos and mentions of it being excluded maybe don't help the "keeping it quiet" aspect

We have concentrated on the bad points of this guide, which is maybe unfair.  It has good points to it too.

[slackline]

We have concentrated on the bad points of this guide, which is maybe unfair.  It has good points to it too.

Having not bought it yet, the good points are....

[GCW]

It looks good.

[a dense loner]

sorry i don't know, or care to know, how to group two quotes together. can somebody tell me
when i pointed out that everybody i spoke to said the new guide was shit, i got this reply

Amazing - have you actually managed to see a copy to form your own opinion?  I think I already know the answer.....

i hadn't actually seen a copy, which may have gone some way to me saying "everybody i spoke to said the new guide was shit", which strangely enough wasn't my own opinion since i had heard this off others. if it was my own opinion i would have said the new guide is shit, which i didn't. however i read the new guide yesterday. the new guide is shit

[Drew]

sorry i don't know, or care to know, how to group two quotes together. can somebody tell me

When writing your reply you scroll down, and find the reply you want to quote. Click "Insert Quote". You're father, or mother has a brother called Robert.

i hadn't actually seen a copy, which may have gone some way to me saying "everybody i spoke to said the new guide was shit", which strangely enough wasn't my own opinion since i had heard this off others. if it was my own opinion i would have said the new guide is shit, which i didn't. however i read the new guide yesterday. the new guide is shit

Nicely put. A very delicate response there.

By the way, [pedant] you would

don't... care to know, how to group two quotes together

and yet you ask

can somebody tell me

And I was getting the impression you don't mess your words
[/pedant]

And I'm fully expecting some -ve karma for that one!

[Paul B]

can somebody tell me

it seems however (for whatever reason, maybe to make your point actually make sense?) that you decided NOT to quote the joking/winking smiley from that post!

(our clique is once again almost complete, all we need now is Saltbeef to join in and attack!)

[1000.dave]

"The lines on the topos are ugly and look like they have been clumsily drawn on with the free drawing package in Word.  The number and frequency of spelling mistakes is utterly appalling and frankly insulting to the purchaser.  Reading the guide in a bad mood induced a mental sensation akin to reading a beloved novel rendered into teenage "txt spk" whilst listening to someone scratch a nail down a blackboard.

just a remedial ability to read English and perhaps match numbers in the descriptions

too little spent performing basic duties to the reader

Lots of photos of problems, even if the material around them is suspect

pointless a waste of paper

some perverse omissions"


Those are brave words. Does me Mr Moose climb as boldly as he writes?

Does he have a real name?

[1000.dave]

Sorry for the tpyo above, I hope I haven't upset Mr Moss. Moose. Sorry.

[dave]

Those are brave words. Does me Mr Moose climb as boldly as he writes?

Does he have a real name?

And this is relevant because....?????...??

[1000.dave]

I believe it is relevent because I believe he would not dare to write that review if he actually had to identify himself...!

[Greg C]

"The lines on the topos are ugly and look like they have been clumsily drawn on with the free drawing package in Word.  The number and frequency of spelling mistakes is utterly appalling and frankly insulting to the purchaser.  Reading the guide in a bad mood induced a mental sensation akin to reading a beloved novel rendered into teenage "txt spk" whilst listening to someone scratch a nail down a blackboard.

just a remedial ability to read English and perhaps match numbers in the descriptions

too little spent performing basic duties to the reader

Lots of photos of problems, even if the material around them is suspect

pointless a waste of paper

some perverse omissions"


Those are brave words. Does me Mr Moose climb as boldly as he writes?

Does he have a real name?

Whether or not you agree with Mr. Moose's general view that the guide isn't great, you can't be questioning the accuracy of the general facts he has stated or the eloquence of his response? Are you saying that there aren't the mistakes and (subjective) omissions he has pointed out?

[dave]

I believe it is relevent because I believe he would not dare to write that review if he actually had to identify himself...!

why, are you going to hunt him down slash his tyres then or something?

if he's bought a guide then it strikes me he's entitled to an opinion. i don't think people need to disclose their name, address and NI number to have an opinion. (I assume "1000.dave" is not whats written on your birth certificate).

[Bonjoy]

Wouldn't the guide be better served by an eloquently put together defence of the book, countering the specific criticisms raised by Moose, rather than  questioning the guy's 'bravery' with what sound like thinly veilled threats.
 Besides, Moose is a regular user of the forum, has never made a point of hiding his identity and could hardly be classed as anonymous.

[1000.dave]

I don't believe its fair or reasonable in anyway. I think the guide is excellent, a huge improvement on any of the old guides by any standards. I also think that if you're going to post such a detailed and considered response you owe it to the authors to present a reasonable balanced opinion. It doesn't come across as a flippant rant or a joke in anyway! And ... it's much easier to do if you're protected by being anonymous. Although Moose could yet put me to shame, prove me wrong entirely and print his name on the forum.

Yours sincerely
Lord Lucan

[1000.dave]

Hey, if he feels threatened maybe he has a guilty conscience! It wasn't meant as a threat, but it definately says speaks volume s that that's how it is being interpreted!

Yours
Mr Big

[1000.dave]

Okay, If Moose reprints his review with his real name next to it I will admit he is the big man and I will graciously concede defeat 

[slackline]

...it definately says speaks volume s that that's how it is being interpreted!

No it speaks volumes that thats how you are interpreting it.

I also think that if you're going to post such a detailed and considered response you owe it to the authors to present a reasonable balanced opinion.

And yours is where?

Fine you like the book, someone else doesn't.  Neither of you have revealed your true identity (although I'd imagine there are more users on this forum who know Moose than you).

Why do you have a bee in your bonnet about it?  If your that bothered by criticism then why don't you write a repost to Moose's giving the guide the praise you feel it deserves (although I doubt thats going to remove any typos from it, which as was pointed out shouldn't have been allowed past the QC).

[Bonjoy]

Hey, if he feels threatened maybe he has a guilty conscience!

I've no idea if Moose feels threatened, it was my opinion of how your post could be read. Why would he lack 'bravery'  unless there was some implied negative consequence to handing out his id?

It wasn't meant as a threat, but it definately says speaks volume s that that's how it is being interpreted!

I don't understand what you mean by speaks volumes. What do you think it says?

[1000.dave]

No, it speaks volumes about how you are interpretting it, times infinity plus one.    I think like you're  a bit overly sensative. It'll wear off as you get more experienced.

You've read my opinion, its a great guide, I think it needed more gurning though.

C'mon you moose you big chicken! C'mon C'mon C'mon C'mon C'mon C'mon C'mon C'mon C'mon C'mon C'mon C'mon C'mon C'mon C'mon C'mon C'mon C'mon C'mon C'mon C'mon C'mon C'mon C'mon C'mon C'mon C'mon C'mon C'mon C'mon C'mon C'mon C'mon C'mon C'mon C'mon C'mon C'mon C'mon C'mon C'mon C'mon C'mon C'mon C'mon C'mon C'mon C'mon C'mon C'mon C'mon C'mon C'mon C'mon .

[1000.dave]

I hope thats post a picture of a BIG CHICKEN!