[spidermonkey09]

Has to be 9c or the Megos grade calculator is broken. 14 days to do Perfecto Mundo and 50+ days to do this suggests this is 9c, or Perfecto is 9b...

[jwi]

Céüse is harder than Margalef. This is not new?

[Fiend]

Could be a difference in styles, difference in other factors like walk-ins, conditions, etc etc. Perfecto could be soft / standard 9b+, this thing hard / top-end 9b+.... #armchairgradedebate

[spidermonkey09]

Céüse is harder than Margalef. This is not new?

Harder than most places!

[gme]

Céüse is harder than Margalef. This is not new?

Harder than most places!

Great news, great route on a great crag. Ondras 9c looks pretty uninspiring albeit on an amazing crag. This looks like what 9c should look like.

As for the above comment it puts a smile on my face. In a time long ago Ceuse was thought of as a little bit of Spain in France grade wise.

[spidermonkey09]

Was saying the same thing earlier; properly inspirational line, in contrast to Ondras which just looks nails.

Off topic, but the only conclusion to the grades comment is things were wrong a long time ago then! France is tough in general I agree.

[Stabbsy]

Off topic, but the only conclusion to the grades comment is things were wrong a long time ago then! France is tough in general I agree.

How can French grades be wrong in France?

[gme]

Basically french climbing was Buoux and Verdon. Ceuse was the new boy on the block and if you spent most of your time at the 1st two, as many of us did, Grades at the later seemed like a bargain.

[gme]

Anyway back to the news. This looks amazing and being located on one of, if not thee, best piece of rock in the world makes it even more outstanding.

[Ged]

With the exception of the narly bouldery starts on Berlin Wall, I never thought ceuse was particularly sandbaggy. If anything it's a lot more forgiving than somewhere like rodellar where there's not really anywhere to hide if you haven't got the specific strength and fitness. Ceuse always seemed like hard climbing but good rests.

[remus]

Megos has given it 9c (according to his post on IG).