[Monolith]

Ben - I have well and truly internalised the post of being your whipping boy. I did however, take a brief break for a Thai Red Curry in Chilli Banana tonight. At first they wouldn't accept my order saying : "But does Ben know you're out tonight? He told us we can't serve you?". But I pleaded and eventually got it. Then even Jess was on my case saying "I'm not too sure Ben would be up for us going out for a meal then having copious amounts of tantric sex?". A mild sedative coupled with some alcohol worked a treat on that one. Then my parents rang from Florida "Hey Tom how's it going? Has Ben got a world-class training facility up yet? You better stay on his good side." Alas, I still had nothing built.

I promise you, something will be up by Tuesday night.

[BenF]

See, you're doing it again.  Tut tut. 

If you don't get to work soon I will write your name down in my little black book.

[Bonjoy]

Some big names on that list now! Simon Nadin, Malcolm Smith, John 'Cofe' Cofield....

[dave]

my favourite is "Christothea Constandinou-Williams".

[Paz]

There are two Simon Nadin's it should be said. 

I'm annoyed that I didn't put my nick name down - or does Cofe have just that on his passport?

[andy_e]

Er, there's only one!

[Somebody's Fool]

Have you just read all the names to check that?

He was refering to the wider world generally.  Where there are in fact two Simon Nadins.  One who was world champion, and one who wasn't (but is no punter, or so I hear).

[andy_e]

No, I pressed ctrl+f and typed in "Nadin"

[BenF]

He was refering to the wider world generally.  Where there are in fact two Simon Nadins. 

I reckon there may be even more than two Simon Nadins.  Let's start a thread and see if we can guess or work out through complex capture/recapture analysis exactly how many Simon Nadins there are out there.  It'll be great fun.  Then we could start another thread to see how many of the Simon Nadins that we have identified have climbed font 8a.  Then how many have climbed route 8a.

[lorentz]

Signed. Had to wait 'til I could get enough reception on my blackberry (ie not in cornwall!) to be able to click the email link to confirm signature.

Could someone check that there's a similar thread on ukclimbing/cocktalk? Think it merits starting one if there's not. Putting past differences aside, this is a worthy cause. I can't get UKC on my blackberry- not that I'm complaining!

[Andy B]

On UKC they are reporting a big step forward in the fight to save Longstone Edge.

(I would post a link but I haven't got the skills, sorry).

[GCW]

Are you referring to THIS?

[Andy B]

No. It's in the news section of the website.

[r-man]

http://83.231.159.41/bmcnews/NewsItem.aspx?id=1642

[Bonjoy]

 
Excellent news

[dave]

in your facy quarrying muthafuckers.

[Johnny Brown]

Kiss my face.

[Dr T]

 

[Johnny Brown]

(Have resurrected this thread as it contains more info)

Just had a depressing phone call from Henry Folkard. The appeal 'couldn't have gone any worse'. Seems we got unlucky on the judge, who didn't see any reason why a fifty year old permission should be overturned, nor why any limestone won in the process of working the minerals shouldn't be sold. NB - The original permission is intended for minerals foremost (flourspar I think), and 'any associated winnings' or some such wording; however the site has been worked purely for limestone for a long time, and it was on this technicality that a lot of hope had been placed.   

Blasting has resumed as of last week. The judges view on the sale of limestone makes the paying of compensation (by the peak park, as detailed in the original permission) all the more impossible.

The affected area of just this site is vast, plus this has dire repercussions for the future; both sides have been viewing this as a test case for other permissions. The best we can hope for at present is a counter-appeal.

[cofe]

that makes for depressing reading.

[Jacqusie]

NB - The original permission is intended for minerals foremost (flourspar I think), and 'any associated winnings' or some such wording; however the site has been worked purely for limestone for a long time, and it was on this technicality that a lot of hope had been placed.   

The fact that the original permission was for the mining of flourspar is in direct conflict with the ACTUAL quarrying process which is removing tonnes and tones of limestone for aggregate and the flourspar is being stockpiled.

The only company in the Peak that will/can process flourspar is glebe mines and they are not going there with a barge pole - so the flourspar sits doing nothing until the end of time ...

..while the hillside gets ripped apart and the motorways across our green and pleasent land are widened....

...sorry for cheering you up folks...


Si

[andy_e]

What? You make it sound as if the entire hill is made of fluorspar. You have to remove limestone to get to the fluorspar in the first place, seeing as how it's interebedded (i presume - what's the source of fluorspar? thermal or depositional?)

[AndyR]

No he's not - he's saying that the original quarrying permit allowed for the mining of fluorspar, with allowance made for selling by-products (i.e. limestone) - what they're actually doing is quarrying solely for the limestone and stockpiling the fluorspar with no intention of processing/selling it - the judge somehow ruled that it was acceptable.

Btw, f'spar is a vein mineral - not interbedded.

[Sloper]

Anyone involved in this or have contact numbers for Henry F?

Tis urgent as tomorrow the potential opportunity will have passed.

[jfw]

slopes

only number i could get off t' bmc website
Guy Keating - Access & Conservation Officer (Regions)
Guy is in charge of regional access & conservation initiatives, as well as having an unequalled knowledge of access issues around the country.
0161 438 3309

Henry F is local BMC access volunteer and member of Peak District Local Access Forum