[miso soup]

15 euros for a half hour film, as if.

[Ethan]

[andyd]

Started watching it. Turned it off after 9 mins. I'd argue that it's 15 euros for far less than 30 mins, as I didn't see any climbing in that time. Could we start a 'non quality getting to a climbing destination vids' thread?

[Gritlad]

[SA Chris]

"If the watermark bugs you, go to grta-studios.com/rocklands and download the video (available in 720p and 1080p)! "

If only that was the only thing about that video that bugs me.

[Ethan]

[Wipey Why]

[a dense loner]

thats annoying, if u can make it through the white noise at the start the bouldering looks pretty good.

[Wipey Why]

[willackers]

Groove Train looks fucking awesome! 

[Krank]

its not right. They get amazing weather, amazing surf and amazing looking rock. damn you australia.

[Fiend]

Full of fucking spiders though 

Ammagamma is a great bit of rock too.

[Krank]

i do hate those horrible little fuckers, but, its a small price to pay for the surf, the sun, the rock and all the DFBWGS

[Bonjoy]

Ah, but most Grampians ‘locals’ have to live three hours away in Melbourne and there is perhaps only half as much bouldering in the Gramps as in the Peak.

[The Sausage]

And the beer's shit

[slackline]

Not all of it....



(although it does have to be shipped over from the West Coast)

[Fiend]

Slackers does actually have a point - Little Creatures is very nice.

[chriss]

Yeah I got bitten by a spider in the Gramps. Wound up in hospital, had to go back twice a day for a week & still having complications over a year on!

But it was worth it & so was the 3 hour drive, would love to go back some time.

[miso soup]

I'd love to go back and never leave.  It is a better place to live.  I've been looking forward to this footage appearing.  The Nathan Bancroft stuff with Dave Graham should be epic I reckon.

[r-man]

Ah, but most Grampians ‘locals’ have to live three hours away in Melbourne and there is perhaps only half as much bouldering in the Gramps as in the Peak.

Yeah, but the developed part of the Gramps is only one tiny area. Lots of potential elsewhere, though the stuff actually near Melbourne is mostly quite esoteric. There is a lifetime of bouldering there for keen explorers.

Plus the lack of recession and cheaper lifestyle (relative to income) means living over there is so much cushier than here.

[Carnage]

They get amazing weather,

Are you serious? Its been fucking raining for days. Worst summer ever.......

And its not cheaper anymore - Sydney and Melbourne are 7th and 8th most expensive cities to live in the world on the recent list. London and New York don't even feature in the top 10. 

http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/about-town/think-sydney-is-expensive-youre-right-20120214-1t3jl.html

The Gramps are still awesome tho 

[miso soup]

Are you serious? Its been fucking raining for days.

Sometimes it rains for weeks here.  That's why there's no trouble with drought.  The price of stuff had gone up a lot when I was last there but I reckon when you factor in how much higher wages are the overall standard of living is still a lot better.

[r-man]

That article makes no mention of the average wage. If you tried to live in Australia on an English salary, you'd be scuppered. Things do cost more. Except for petrol. But my experience last year was that Australian wages were much more generous than English wages.

Weather in Melbourne is very English.

[Carnage]

You got the holiday experience 

I can't comment on whether wages are higher or not than in England. What i can say tho is that we get taxed to fuck on just about everything and get absolutely nothing for it. We pay through the arse for healthcare, childcare/schools, pensions, public transport, random climatic events - you name it, we probably pay for it. Theres even a tax on a tax somewhere (can't remember exactly but discovered this little joy when we bought our house.)

Thankfully there's enough good stuff here to make it all worthwhile.

Anyway, this debate is for another thread - Quick somebody post a video!

[Stubbs]

Sometimes it rains for weeks here.  That's why there's no trouble with drought. 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/feb/12/summer-drought-looms-for-england?newsfeed=true