[haydn jones]

A little water ain't gonna keep me from climbing.  (:

[simon40]

Today there is water from the foot bridge all the way to salar lapping the walls. Have in the past talked with bmc about working with the land owner to try and work together to stop this happening so often, although they didnt appear to have much motivation to take it on. I would rant on about them buying horse shoe but wont

[danm]

I'll have a word Simon and see what the score is - there is a good chance that the lack of motivation from the BMC is related to the landowner not exactly being on board with having us climbing there. For my sins I've become a fan of bouldering at Rubicon since my first horror stricken visits, although I have to say that I save it for when the grit is fooked.

[simon40]

Yes recall them mentioning not wanting to upset owner although unless am mistaken dont some of my subs go towards access disputes and other after all arguably the most important thing, if we cant get to the crag we cant climb

[danm]

Yes recall them mentioning not wanting to upset owner although unless am mistaken dont some of my subs go towards access disputes and other after all arguably the most important thing, if we cant get to the crag we cant climb

OK, done some digging. Details on the current access situation, and some info on the flooding issue can be found here: https://www.thebmc.co.uk/modules/RAD/viewcrag.aspx?id=559 Looks like the EA aren't likely to do anything, they're too busy sorting out flood defence for peoples homes. The landowner doesn't want us there anyway, so they aren't going to sign up to us building some kind of flood defence, which I'm doubtful would be permissible given the nature of the site (SSSI etc). 

[Ru]

Yes recall them mentioning not wanting to upset owner although unless am mistaken dont some of my subs go towards access disputes and other after all arguably the most important thing, if we cant get to the crag we cant climb

The access situation in WCJ is very tenuous with landowners on the south (rubicon) side wanting no climbing on their land full stop. The BMC is working very hard to try and resolve these issues, but there's no magic wand. It's private land with no rights of access. Based on the fact that climbers are not allowed full stop, trying to get the land owners to agree to improving physical access for climbers during flooding periods seems a little optimistic.

[Johnny Brown]

Have in the past talked with bmc about working with the land owner to try and work together to stop this happening so often, although they didnt appear to have much motivation to take it on.

Access in this area is extremely delicate and both BMC employees and volunteers give up a lot of time to maintaining it.  Be under no illusions, both the fishing club and the DWT would happily ban climbing in this area - in fact in the last few years they have made moves towards doing so. Rubicon would likely not be affected due to it's position on the path (note a permissive footpath, not public ROW). But they are not the friendly folk who would happily lower water levels so we can climb more.

I would rant on about them buying horse shoe but wont....
unless am mistaken dont some of my subs go towards access disputes

FYI Horseshoe was bought for a peppercorn sum. You clearly feel you are not getting value for money for access work in the Peak? I'd suggest if so you need to educate yourself on the work that gets done or volunteer some time yourself. The Peak access team are currently looking for someone to help with the limestone area.

[tomtom]

Don't forget that Rubicon wouldn't be there if it weren't for that darn pesky river that sometimes has the audacity to (ahem) flood...

[andy_e]

a peppercorn sum

How many fuck-alls is a peppercorn sum?

[cheque]

Less than a thousandth it would appear. 

[danm]

Maybe we're going the wrong way with this. If we sneakily dig out the floor and remove the soil in Great Escape fashion, we get longer problems when it's dry and some DWS when it floods 

[Johnny Brown]

a peppercorn sum

How many fuck-alls is a peppercorn sum?

About 4 if I recall correctly.

[SamT]

Don't forget that Rubicon wouldn't be there if it weren't for that darn pesky river that sometimes has the audacity to (ahem) flood...

And it wouldn't flood if those pesky victorians hadn't built that mill/weir.

It never used to flood this often back in the day.  I was talking to a local walking her a couple of years back and she reckoned one of the locals used to potter about and maintain the level on the sluice.  He's long gone apparently and thus the sluice is never seasonally adjusted.

I also think that now the tunnels are open, the importance of a connecting path from cresbrook to litton, in terms of walkers etc, has lessened, and there will be less pressure on the fishing club to maintain it which is worrying in itself.

I've spoken to a few of the fishermen in recent years whilst at rubicon and they've never been anything other than friendly/chatty/encouraging etc.

[nai]

a peppercorn sum

How many fuck-alls is a peppercorn sum?

About 4 if I recall correctly.

Really? Not as steep as I thought

[abarro81]

Seb G said the flooding is all about the sluice and that balls.. Apparently there was one year where of broke or something, and voila, no floods.

[sidewinder]

Does seem that all that would be required was adjustment of the sluice gate to at least help, I can't imagine the flooding is useful for the wildlife/river banks/fisherpeople either?  I think the broken gate issue is mentioned in the intro to the older Northern Limestone, and is the period where a lot of the routes on Moat Buttress got done as you could walk to them.

I am always amazed that given the membership cost, £900 a year (in effect 6 months due to season length) or a bargainous £50 a day I have never seen that many people fishing.  If I paid £900 for a 6 month pass at the wall I would feel the need to be there every day to justify the expense.

[nai]

Think you need to check your maths but fly fishing on well kept rivers is expensive.  I was quoted £125 for a day ticket for the Dove this summer.

[lagerstarfish]

cough

£50 is still a bargain

[sidewinder]

Think you need to check your maths but fly fishing on well kept rivers is expensive.  I was quoted £125 for a day ticket for the Dove this summer.

Math is fine I wasn't dividing 900 by anything to get the 50, 50 is the separate day ticket price (for a restricted section of the river).  Clearly fishing (perhaps in part due to my vegetarianism) holds little appeal to me, thus I struggle to see the rational to pay (what seems to me) a lot to do it.

[sidewinder]

I would also have thought a well kept river wouldn't keep flooding so badly, presumably carrying 'stock' downstream?

[tomtom]

I would also have thought a well kept river wouldn't keep flooding so badly, presumably carrying 'stock' downstream?

Rivers should really not be 'kept'... And yes the dam, weir and mill race etc all alter the river (look at the sedimentation in the pond behind the weir). But flooding is a natural event that plays an important role in supplying nutrients and sediments to areas outside of the channel on the floodplain - and maintains a diversity of habitat that is generally considered a good thing by all except fishermen, people wanting to use the path and maybe a few climbers

Not to mention the water will flush away the dog/human turds at the base of the cliff

It's probably piss wet through and seeping anyway

[lagerstarfish]

the well flooded mill pond does a great job of preventing stock from being carried downstream innit?

the fish in there are as likely to use high water levels to move up stream as they are to move down

it is a well behaved river - relatively slow to rise and fall with rainfall and plenty of spots for fish to shelter in during the highest water levels

fishing is a hobby as pointless as any other hobby

[lagerstarfish]

I bet all this guff is messing up some folks' twitter feeds

[nai]

I bet all this guff is messing up some folks' twitter feeds

It's hard. To be angry. When the topic is so informative

[fatneck]

Not arf Lagers.... Would never normally look on here but the mere mention of the word fishing and I was here like a shot...