[Dave Flanagan]

Made these up ages ago. Could be good for passing the time between showers. Could also be considered sad. Could cause a lot of arguments.



Any suggested improvements? New catergories etc.

[dave]

nice work - not sure about the steep thing though - i mean can we really class karma as 10deg overhanging? its a slab at the top, and fucking steep at the bottom. maybe "shape" would be a better category.

[Fiend]

ROFLMAO, quality!!

And people accuse me of being a nerd, lol.

I like em - one thing though, I think you need to add sustainedness in there, it's the only major factor not covered that actually differentiates a few quite clearly (e.g. Dreamtime).

[account_inactive]

Look cool mate!

How about a famous climber version to include:

Star rating
Madness
Boldness (could be the same thing as above)
Strength
Injury
New routing
Good Looking?

I can see Dave Thomas scoring a high card here

[Dave Flanagan]

Maybe a stamina catergory is better than a steppness one?

[dave]

yeah maybe - if theres a photo on then its clear what shape/angle it is generally.

[Bonjoy]

Dreamtime 7/10 for power 1 up from Midnight Lightning, how does that work?

[Dave Flanagan]

Its just something I did quickly when I was bored and the numbers out of ten are relative to the grade.

[Bonjoy]

Fair do. Very good by the way. Any more in the set?

[Dave Flanagan]

Yeah I working on a full set of about 40 from the whole world. Its just a way of not doing real work.

[Bonjoy]

How about Wheel of Life for Oz (winning score on stamina).

[Dave Flanagan]

Weird I was just about to add that, does anyone know the name of the 8c slab in Japan?

[grimer]

How about a 'waddage' catagory. In as much as the thimble would have the highest waddage score. This sums up the sort of x factor that some problems have.

[Dave Flanagan]

Would danger not cover that?

[dave]

i suppose "waddage" might also translate to "pub bragging rights".

[Dave Flanagan]

- Font
   + Science Friction
   + Marie Rose
   + Karma
   + Joker
   + Le Toit de Cul de Chein
- Peak
   + Deliverance
   + Careless Torque
   + Crecent Arete
   + West Side Story
   + Green Traverse
- North Wales
   + King of the Drunks
   + Jerry's Roof
   + Boysen's Groove
   + Caseg Groove   
   + Pilgrimidge
- Ireland
   + The Rails
   + Split Arete
   + Original Route
   + Andy's Arete   
   + Tombstone Arete
- Bishop
   + Mandala
   + Specter
   + Sketchpad
   + Saigon   
   + Ironman Traverse

- Yosemite
   + Midnight Lightning
   + Bachar Cracker
   + Dominator
   + King Cobra   
   + Cocaine Corner
Others
   + Dreamtime
   + White Rastafian
   + Saturday Night Live
   + Stem Gem
   + The Thimble   
   + 45 Degree Wall
   + Wheel of Life
   + Hard Jap slab
   + Walk Away Sit Start
   + Slashface   

This is the list as it stands now. I left obliged to include a set of Irish problems. Pint for first person to tick them all?

[dave]

scratch joker, its manufactured shite.

[Dave Flanagan]

It is historically significant though.

[Fiend]

Yorkshire?

[Dave Flanagan]

I knew this would come up. The peak problems I choose are some of the most famous in the world. How about a few suggestions?

[Bonjoy]

Surely Green trav should be swapped out in favour of Brad Pit if significance quality and fame are the main criteria.

[Pantontino]

I know someone who produced a set of piss take top trump cards for faces in the N Wales climbing scene.

I haven't seen them yet, but apparently I scored very high for ranting - can't think what they mean?

[a dense loner]

how about a bullshit factor?

i would also say dreamtime n mandala are quite technical. not to be confused with the fu manchu ratings compared to dracula with the horror top trumps

[Jim]

you need to get out more dense

[ian h]

very nice indeed

when do we get the full set to print out?

[SA Chris]

not to be confused with the fu manchu ratings compared to dracula with the horror top trumps

Didnt the Horror Top Trumps have a Fear Factor? Maybe that should be included?

[Dave Flanagan]

They will be finished next week hopefully.

[ian h]

They will be finished next week hopefully.

how are the trumps going ?

[Dave Flanagan]

They will be finished next week hopefully.

how are the trumps going ?

ok heres what I have done so far. I have got some photos fom the web without permission - so apologies if they are yours (I will get rid of them if you want)



Can anyone fill in any blanks correct any stuff?

[dave]

WSS
Grade 7b+
Power 4
Stamina 4
Technique 11
Bold 5

[DrWong]

Nice work! I don't know if you have decided to drop the steepness bit but there's a typo in the word 'degrees'

It would make an awesome wall chart too.

[AndyR]

Can anyone fill in any blanks correct any stuff?

Shurely Careless Torque should be cranked up to 10 for all categories?
How does the Rails (V2?) have the same power rating as CT?
Plural of 'foot' is 'feet'.......

[dave]

why would CT be 10 for stamina?

[Dave Flanagan]

Can anyone fill in any blanks correct any stuff?

Shurely Careless Torque should be cranked up to 10 for all categories?
How does the Rails (V2?) have the same power rating as CT?
Plural of 'foot' is 'feet'.......

Each of the ratings is of course relative to the grade. Otherwise the bigger grades would win all the time.

[AndyR]

why would CT be 10 for stamina?

Errr, dunno - looked quite pumpy?

[AndyR]

Can anyone fill in any blanks correct any stuff?

Shurely Careless Torque should be cranked up to 10 for all categories?
How does the Rails (V2?) have the same power rating as CT?
Plural of 'foot' is 'feet'.......

Each of the ratings is of course relative to the grade. Otherwise the bigger grades would win all the time.

Really? I always thought that was the beauty of top trumps - even though you had a weedy little minesweeper that was about 1/100th the weight of the USS Nimitz, you could always win on something cheeky, like, first year of service, or no. of mortar launchers......

Same thing here - although some weedy 5+ won't beat a 7b+, you can always out-gun it on 'year first climbed*' or 'boldness'.

*I'm assuming that an older problem will beat a more recent one??

[dave]

seriously though, i would have thought the high stamina scores would be reserved for long problems like say staminaband, easyrider-into-chipshopbrawl, anaesthesia, barrel traverse etc.

[AndyR]

seriously though, i would have thought the high stamina scores would be reserved for long problems like say staminaband, easyrider-into-chipshopbrawl, anaesthesia, barrel traverse etc.

Yep, fair point - it could do with a good honest traverse.

And a decent hard problem that requires very little technique at all - i.e. power 10, technique 1.  Any suggestions?

[tommytwotone]

buckstone dyno?

it's only a big jump twixt two big holds innit?

[dave]

theres a fair bit of tech in buckstone. georges wall dyno going str8 to the break is more like just pulling fucking hard and fast, minimal technique. must be some more.

[c.j.d.]

I would disagree entirely with the 'no technique' thing - there 's more than just pulling when it comes to moves like that - timing, precision, power, contact etc - new thread to discuss?  I think so!

[r-man]

Hey, did you ever finish these top trumps? Just wundrin like, cos they were looking good...

[cowboyhat]

About 6? years ago Miles and everyones favourite climbing celebrity BH made a set of climber top trumps. They used mags and The Power etc for reference plus there own experience of witnessing wads. It was pretty fun.

Problems or routes is a better idea though as its more easily quantifiable, ironic that BH didn't spot that...

[Nibile]

whats this thread about?
im f****ing curious, but cant open the linkz

[cowboyhat]

Bouldering Top Trumps

[Nibile]

ahh, right.

[Bonjoy]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_Trumps

[Nibile]

cheers!!!!

now the question:
is this just to talk on the net or is there a plan to release real cards fo' play? sounds fucking nice, being at the pub after a three hour session, with friends, having beers and playing boulders.

[Nibile]

that said, something comes to my mind that id like to discuss in a proper thread, if you like.

[Dave Flanagan]

cheers!!!!

now the question:
is this just to talk on the net or is there a plan to release real cards fo' play? sounds fucking nice, being at the pub after a three hour session, with friends, having beers and playing boulders.

My plan is make a big JPEG which you can print and cut (careful now) out.

[Medium\Large]

someone might have already posted this, i havent read every1, but we made up a load of northwales top trump climbers cards, pictures and all think reeves has still got them on his computer. Ginger Cains our top trump! think dezroy wasnt far behind.

[Jim]

nice, supposed you need something to pass the time in wales  :D

[Pantontino]

Now I know who Medium/Large is.

[r-man]

Just stumbled across this thread again. Did you ever finish the top tumps Dave?

[Dave Flanagan]

Just stumbled across this thread again. Did you ever finish the top tumps Dave?

No, it's on the list....

[Houdini]

I scored very high for ranting - can't think what they mean?

Neither can I ... Since you stopped drinking, you barely rant at all.  I  at Ray Wood for almost 2 days non-stop last week.  Out with the old etc.. 

[irish si]

About 6? years ago Miles and everyones favourite climbing celebrity BH made a set of climber top trumps. They used mags and The Power etc for reference plus there own experience of witnessing wads. It was pretty fun.

Problems or routes is a better idea though as its more easily quantifiable, ironic that BH didn't spot that...

BH, myself and doylo remade these about three years ago.  They were a lot more fun to make than play to be honest.  Had everyone we knew plus all world beasts in.  You can imagine the stoned arguments that where had. 

[andy_e]

Is penis size one of the categories? 

[M.U.L.E]

yes