I couldn’t understand why the person who took everything out had not removed it completely?
I can see plenty of people take the ethical view of wanting to keep things pure and adventurous. … it would be good if it was more pragmatic.
I was also grateful for the convenience of all the roads carved through nice fields which I drove along to get there, the nice path I walked along and the helpful bridge I used to cross the stream.
The belays on top are pretty shit and the e1 we did to get to the top was shit and quite dodgy rock.
There are … even other bolts on the same bit of wall
A couple of bolts up the back to clip stick up and not leaving ropes in place probably would have avoided all this fuss…
What perspectives do you expect to get?
The same landowner who is content to have over a 100 dogs on a dog walking meet on a summers afternoon like we witnessed last May.I'm sorry but some perspective is required here.
Does the 5b ascend kitty litter peak limestone?
Whatever happened to going about your business quietly
Whatever happened to going about your business quietly with as little fuss and impact as possible?
Quote from: ToxicBilberry on May 21, 2024, 02:15:14 pmWhatever happened to going about your business quietly with as little fuss and impact as possible?What happened is you (still) don't hear about those who are.
adventure trad climbing......hugely popular tourist beauty spot and picnic area.
I think a decent compromise is us following the very simple rules already in place as asked for by the land owner(who has every right to tell us to fuck off)! What is it with us as a group..? And our sense of entitlement and inability to follow simple rules, access is only going to become more of an issue, if we can’t do better, we deserve everything we get…
Its pretty clearly not an adventurous location. Its an extremely busy walking and picnic area as you say, with dogs, prams, selfie sticks etc, at most 15/20 mins from the parking (haven't been in ages so might be wrong). I think some limited fixed gear up the back and a bolt belay to facilitate the route being worked with minimal faff is a decent compromise.
Is there a record for the area then of fixed/insitu gear that has been agreed? And do we know if any of the fixed gear in discussion was ever agreed anyway. There are a couple of very old pegs at the top (top in a sporty sense, end of the clean overhanging rock, where it transitions into a chossy easier angled groove) of EOTT. These are where the bolt was that I saw chopped . The bolt backed up the pegs which are now pretty poor. I think one has no eye and the other was shit. On a separate but semi-related topic, has EOTT had many on sights? Steve? Jacopo?
Quote from: SamT on May 21, 2024, 03:23:00 pmadventure trad climbing......hugely popular tourist beauty spot and picnic area.I suspect this is part of the issue. Its pretty clearly not an adventurous location. Its an extremely busy walking and picnic area as you say, with dogs, prams, selfie sticks etc, at most 15/20 mins from the parking
JB lives in that far-off unsullied fantasy land known as The Unspoiled Trad Environment. I think NY probably often visits there on holiday .