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180k cragx Mill Bridge
spidermonkey09:
Of course; its not unreasonable to want to plot a middle ground between what you describe and development being blocked simply because it spoils some boomers views though! For the record I'm not advocating a return to the days of navvies working in abysmal conditions.
Tony:
The comedy of a thread by climbers whinging about actual money being stumped up to fix (rebuild) a bridge heavily used by climbers.
remus:
--- Quote from: Tony S on February 02, 2024, 11:03:31 am ---The comedy of a thread by climbers whinging about actual money being stumped up to fix (rebuild) a bridge heavily used by climbers.
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£20k is being stumped up, they're asking for donations to cover the rest.
spidermonkey09:
To be fair, thats not quite right.
'The overall estimated cost of a replacement bridge is expected to be around £180,00 - £200,000. The PDNPA is committing £20,000 to cover the costs of removing the old bridge. The Peak District National Park Foundation has given a £20,000 grant towards the project, and the Access and Conservation Trust, the charity of the British Mountaineering Council an additional grant of £10,000. This leaves a shortfall of potentially up to £150,000.
We now have the opportunity to apply for a significant project grant from the Farming in Protected Landscapes fund which would make the project possible in 2024. However, the application will be much stronger with additional donations from the community and make it more likely to be funded.'
https://peakdistrict.enthuse.com/cf/cragx-mill-bridge
This link wont work either but you can click through to it from the previous link.
remus:
--- Quote from: Bradders on February 02, 2024, 10:14:38 am ---Are any of you structural engineers?
I love a good pile on, but why the scepticism?
It's a fairly long footbridge, in an area extremely prone to flooding, across an active, steep water course with limited vehicular access, which needs to be sufficiently resilient to withstand all the abuse of a changing climate with minimal ongoing maintenance requirement, all in an area of outstanding natural beauty that has to be preserved during construction.
Similarly the existing one needs to be dismantled in a careful manner which avoids damage to the surrounding area.
Unfortunately, nice things cost money. Sure the army could knock another one up, but there's a reason the current one only lasted 30-odd years.
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I don't think it is unreasonable to ask whether it is value for money. From my perspective as a lay-person, the main structure of the bridge (two big I-beams and the concrete it sits on) look to be in reasonable condition with a rotting wooden structure built on top. Hypothetically, why is it not possible to replace the wooden structure on top of the I-beams? It might only last another 30 years, but if that costs £10k instead of £180k then redoing that work every few decades seems a cost efficient solution.
Of course Im almost certainly missing much of the complication and expense here (maybe the foundations are shit and the whole thing needs redoing, maybe the I beams are completely rusted through, all the access considerations mentioned up thread etc.), but it would be good if there was some attempt at justifying the cost.
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