I don't actually buy the idea that Johnson was somehow an order of magnitude worse than every other politician in terms of lying.
Quote from: spidermonkey09 on December 12, 2023, 10:17:04 amI don't actually buy the idea that Johnson was somehow an order of magnitude worse than every other politician in terms of lying. I think this statement needs a little backing up with some evidence!
Seems lyou haven’t understood what’s in that website jwi? It’s a fact checker, covering all public utterances by MPs, although obviously, given his character, Johnson has a starring role.I think politicians telling lies about policy and its impact matters very much. The effects on public trust and so democracy are corrosive.
As for Starmer changing his mind, is there something, one little thing, that has happened since the period Feb - April 2020 that might have changed the political and economic situation of the U.K.? Help me out here guys, I’m struggling to think of anything.
In 2020 he spoke about the GE2017 manifesto as being his foundational document. He then set about purging members, changing Party rules, suspending conference delegates the week before conference, rigging candidate selections etc etc.
And now we have Labour saying that taxes won't be increased for the richest, public services will have to make do with current budgets, net zero is an aspiration to be put off etc etc.
People who approved of rather than hating the idea that the GE2017 manifesto should be a foundational document believe that it should remain virtually unchanged regardless of what has happened since.
I had to look on private browsing after Owen Jones blocked me for calling him Squealer.
Quote from: seankenny on December 12, 2023, 12:30:27 pmI had to look on private browsing after Owen Jones blocked me for calling him Squealer.You’re so brave, so inspiring Sean.
Hey Stone, I’m not saying that Starmer hasn’t done a number on Momentum and the farther left leaning cadres in the Labour Party; it very much looks like he has. It also looks he’s quite obsessively centrist in respect of where power and decision making should lie in Labour. When you consider the vileness that thrived under Jeremy ‘ our friends in Hamas’Corbyn, also it’s somewhat understandable, if less than ideal. Fundamentally, he’s run a ruthless operation to get electable/elected. Given the self-defeating chaos of recent years, a lot of people will be inclined to look the other way if it leads to a respite from the Conservative led decline of the country.
A lot of people are also inclined to look the other way regarding Johnston.
imo, Blair and Campbell (among others in their circle) are two of the most malevolent destructive liars in recent uk political history.