I haven’t heard anything from Genspec that would fit in with the accusations above.
Slab happy / El. Mocho, are there any elements of Mermaids/Tavistock you are uncomfortable with/would consider inappropriate? Ie is there anything a gender critical person might think /say which you'd think was fair enough?I say this as someone clueless on the whole affair and unwilling to read a load of articles to form an opinion, but would be interested if there was any crossover.
seems the only rational position evidenced by the high volume of detransitioners.
One could equally state that for a detransitioner the transition itself was a conversion therapy for internalised homophobia.
A Gender Critical perspective meaning agnostic
To describe a questioning approach as ‘conversion therapy’ seems absurd.
Quote from: spidermonkey09 on June 24, 2023, 12:51:31 pmSlab happy / El. Mocho, are there any elements of Mermaids/Tavistock you are uncomfortable with/would consider inappropriate? Ie is there anything a gender critical person might think /say which you'd think was fair enough?I say this as someone clueless on the whole affair and unwilling to read a load of articles to form an opinion, but would be interested if there was any crossover.I don't consider the Gender Critical to have anything useful to say on issues of trans rights and gender in exactly the same way that Mens Rights Activists don't have anything useful to say on feminism and mens issues.It's quite fitting that while typing this a reply has appeared in this thread proving exactly why: nonsense claims that are well rebutted and provably false being thrown around to the exhaustion of everyone else. It isn't worth anyone's energy to engage with.The best I can do is continue to centre the voices of trans people, and I'm really looking forward to reading Elliot Page's memoir when it gets to the top of my list. I think that Shon Faye's Transgender Issue is essential reading for anyone in the UK trying to understand the topic (and it's shocking how much worse the discourse is now than in 2021 when Shon wrote the book)
Is there a name for someone...
I think that Shon Faye's Transgender Issue is essential reading for anyone in the UK trying to understand the topic (and it's shocking how much worse the discourse is now than in 2021 when Shon wrote the book)
Is there a name for someone who thinks trans people should be treated with dignity and respect in their daily lives, their rights are human rights, who is dubious about whether trans participation in elite sport is desirable or possible to do fairly, and is dubious about whether transitioning should be possible before one is an adult in the eyes of the law? Off the top of my head that's broadly my position without putting a huge amount of thought into it.
Ie is there anything a gender critical person might think /say which you'd think was fair enough?
Quote from: spidermonkey09 on June 24, 2023, 02:33:13 pmIs there a name for someone who thinks trans people should be treated with dignity and respect in their daily lives, their rights are human rights, who is dubious about whether trans participation in elite sport is desirable or possible to do fairly, and is dubious about whether transitioning should be possible before one is an adult in the eyes of the law? Off the top of my head that's broadly my position without putting a huge amount of thought into it.Yep, if you are serious that you think trans people and their rights should be respected and are willing to stand up when those rights are under attack then the term is "trans rights activist".
Could someone point me to a study which explains in simple terms the physiological / biological explanations behind being in the wrong body.
I think if we’re going to ‘pause puberty’ and for example remove the testes or breasts of a teenager there should be a pretty clear cut scientific explanation.
I’ve always understood this as a psychological state. The idea that there are common physiological markers of a trans identity seems unlikely. Do you think differently?
I'd avoid this sort of insulting nonsense if you're hoping to win anyone over slab...
Quote from: slab_happy it's one of those things called a "metaphor", you know?I'd avoid this sort of insulting nonsense if you're hoping to win anyone over slab...
it's one of those things called a "metaphor", you know?
I don't consider the Gender Critical to have anything useful to say on issues of trans rights and gender
"Gender critical" is not an agnostic position! It explicitly maintains that there's no such thing as gender identity and that being trans is not "real"