[Fiend]

https://www.instagram.com/p/CrGeNBatv6G/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

Refreshing clarity and lack of bush-beating there. "These are the likely grades, deal with it" .

Also I'm with Jwi, I hate those little shits that boulder problems are invariably graded for.

[Sasquatch]

Can you name a cutting edge boulder that's one move surrounded by mush?

off the wagon

[yetix]

Many have fallen off after hitting the first move?  If the 2nd move was mush then I highly doubt Matt Fultz would come off having stuck the first move clearly quite well

[Sasquatch]

I'd presume that is more to due with doing the first move poorly rather than the second move individually being that hard.  I would guess someone here can speak to that personally though.

[yetix]

I edited between your response, see above for a vid of Matt Fultz.

Edit again

Also I'm sure a Japanese climber  tried using heels etc to not have to do the rose but instead match etc but I can't find a vid right now, if the rose was super easy why would people opt for that?

I do think off the wagon is the best suggestion yet though personally.

Found the vid of Ryu:

https://www.instagram.com/p/B5cKVOcjUGC/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

[remus]

I edited between your response, see above for a vid of Matt Fultz.

Edit again

Also I'm sure a Japanese climber  tried using heels etc to not have to do the rose but instead match etc but I can't find a vid right now, if the rose was super easy why would people opt for that?

I do think off the wagon is the best suggestion yet though personally.

Ryuichi Morai https://www.instagram.com/p/B5cKVOcjUGC/

Giuliano Cameroni was also trying a pretty different sequence on the low for a while, going to some filth in the break rather than doing the big throw and rose move.

[yetix]

Thanks remus, doesn't sound like it's over after the first move of the stand then.

[Sasquatch]

Thanks remus, doesn't sound like it's over after the first move of the stand then.

Agreed.  I stand corrected. 

I'll try to think of another

[yetix]

Maybe should got in the significant FAs thread but Guliano has done Solar Plexus FA which is by the sounds of it an 8B+/C move into 7C climbing (I'm assuming the 7C climbing after couldn't change the grade of the first move and therefore that the first move must be the grade of the boulder?) https://www.instagram.com/p/CvP7rE9tK8X/?igshid=M2MyMzgzODVlNw==

Just felt kind of relevant to the hardest moves discussion here. Perhaps that should haves a thread of its own?