Gutted to have missed out on all the 3 star eliminates
I think the rockfall notice/warning is about stuff in the cave - but I went there with Plattsy a couple of weeks ago - and we both decided it looked dodgy. Its really not clear on any of the vids, so this may seem a fuss about nothing to the armchair viewer, but the problems seem to end involving the 'thin' bit of the arch of the roof on the RH side of this picture. Here the roof of the cave at the lip (and a wee distance into the cave) is probably 20cm thick (including the turf and soil). I'd avoid going anywhere near this bit of the roof (which was where the problems seemed to go) as it didn't look very stable - or much rock to support it!This is the view from above the lip - which also gives an idea of how precarious it looks. Each to their own - but Peak lime can be fickle stuff and it may well last another 500 years - or collapse tomorrow. Having my 70-75kg swinging around on it would not help the longevity.... so I/we walked away.
so I/we walked away.
There’s 10 lines and 2 are eliminates
Quote from: Carliios on September 14, 2022, 09:59:09 amThere’s 10 lines and 2 are eliminates There might be 10 problems, but there definitely aren't 10 lines
one slightly bigger crimp that is referred to as 'the jug' in every problem description on the basis that it's a 20mm edge.
Quote from: Droyd on September 14, 2022, 11:02:09 amone slightly bigger crimp that is referred to as 'the jug' in every problem description on the basis that it's a 20mm edge.Subtle humble-brags.
Quote from: Liamhutch89 on September 14, 2022, 11:29:10 amQuote from: Droyd on September 14, 2022, 11:02:09 amone slightly bigger crimp that is referred to as 'the jug' in every problem description on the basis that it's a 20mm edge.Subtle humble-brags. But, does anyone else consider a jug to be anything they can cut loose on? I also think this is the quickest way to convey to someone that the hold they are about to go for is so good that they should stick it even if their feet pop. Reception has been mixed so far...
Having my 70-75kg swinging around on it would not help the longevity.... so I/we walked away.
Delightfully off-topic but I do think we need a bit more stringency on this point: Malc's Arete, London Wall, and Divided Years are all 'lines', which are very different from 'problems'/'routes'. Not all lines are routes/problems (Wizard Ridge, off the top of my head) and not all routes/problems are/have lines (99% of Peak lime).I'd go so far as to say that Windy Knoll Cave is a lot better than places like Griff's (as an example of a beloved Peak lime venue) if we're talking 'lines', in that the rock actually has features (cracks, the shield) rather than an array of crimps of varying size and painfulness and one slightly bigger crimp that is referred to as 'the jug' in every problem description on the basis that it's a 20mm edge. If someone rang me while they were at Windy Knoll and asked where one of the problems went I reckon I'd pretty easily be able to walk them through it on the basis that there are lots of clear features; if someone wanted the same for a random Griff's problem I think it'd be quicker just to jump in the car and drive over there...
Very confusing terminology when people use "lines" and "problems" interchangeably. More so when they (Carlos ) describe shite like Silver Trout at the Cliff as a "line" when it demonstrably isn't.
Quote from: teestub on September 14, 2022, 08:28:18 amGutted to have missed out on all the 3 star eliminates There’s 10 lines and 2 are eliminates
Quote from: Carliios on September 14, 2022, 09:59:09 amQuote from: teestub on September 14, 2022, 08:28:18 amGutted to have missed out on all the 3 star eliminates There’s 10 lines and 2 are eliminates I would consider any problem that avoids the easiest line to the top to link into another problem an eliminate.
I can't decide whether I agree or disagree, but taking this to it's logical conclusion means everything is eliminate if you can walk up the back.
Quote from: Liamhutch89 on September 14, 2022, 12:54:12 pmI can't decide whether I agree or disagree, but taking this to it's logical conclusion means everything is eliminate if you can walk up the back.This is surely reductio ad absurdum