It's strange that you can learn so much about a person from just watching a video of them climbing, mostly from behind. I've never him, but you can tell just from this video that he's a really nice guy.
That's pretty amazing footage. It's strange that you can learn so much about a person from just watching a video of them climbing, mostly from behind. I've never him, but you can tell just from this video that he's a really nice guy. Class effort.
Quote from: Franco on May 17, 2022, 08:03:08 amThat's pretty amazing footage. It's strange that you can learn so much about a person from just watching a video of them climbing, mostly from behind. I've never him, but you can tell just from this video that he's a really nice guy. Class effort.How can you tell this Franco??
Quote from: Duncan campbell on May 17, 2022, 12:22:50 pmQuote from: Franco on May 17, 2022, 08:03:08 amThat's pretty amazing footage. It's strange that you can learn so much about a person from just watching a video of them climbing, mostly from behind. I've never him, but you can tell just from this video that he's a really nice guy. Class effort.How can you tell this Franco??Perhaps I'm mistaken, but it seems plausible that you can learn quite a lot about someone from body language. A lot of the way you move when you climb is just beta: doing the moves necessary between the holds. But the way you do these moves also reveals quite a lot about the mindset you're in and your general attitude to the challenge and the world. I'm sure you could figure out introvert vs. extrovert for example. There is a lot of variation in the way you can do a move, all that would allow that move to be done. Moreover, generally when people are climbing a 9b, I'd imagine they're in quite a flow state, so aren't very aware of how they are being perceived by others - so unlikely to be able to 'act' body language quite as well as someone else who's aware they're being filmed may do. Then there's also just the general way someone moves. We all know ugly climbers, who just look minging when they climb. That's not how good looking they are, but if they're climbing out of a place of deep-seated insecurity for example, or a rabid desire to prove themselves etc. I just get totally different vibes fro this footage, even before he gets emotional near the top.So yeh, I don't want to drag off topic (apologies, as i evidently have), but it just struck me that there was something quite powerfully authentic in his approach to this route that hasn't struck me in countless other videos of people climbing hard things. Thought it was quite interesting.
I'm sure you could figure out introvert vs. extrovert for example.
Quote from: Franco on May 18, 2022, 07:53:48 pmQuote from: Duncan campbell on May 17, 2022, 12:22:50 pmQuote from: Franco on May 17, 2022, 08:03:08 amThat's pretty amazing footage. It's strange that you can learn so much about a person from just watching a video of them climbing, mostly from behind. I've never him, but you can tell just from this video that he's a really nice guy. Class effort.How can you tell this Franco??Perhaps I'm mistaken, but it seems plausible that you can learn quite a lot about someone from body language. A lot of the way you move when you climb is just beta: doing the moves necessary between the holds. But the way you do these moves also reveals quite a lot about the mindset you're in and your general attitude to the challenge and the world. I'm sure you could figure out introvert vs. extrovert for example. There is a lot of variation in the way you can do a move, all that would allow that move to be done. Moreover, generally when people are climbing a 9b, I'd imagine they're in quite a flow state, so aren't very aware of how they are being perceived by others - so unlikely to be able to 'act' body language quite as well as someone else who's aware they're being filmed may do. Then there's also just the general way someone moves. We all know ugly climbers, who just look minging when they climb. That's not how good looking they are, but if they're climbing out of a place of deep-seated insecurity for example, or a rabid desire to prove themselves etc. I just get totally different vibes fro this footage, even before he gets emotional near the top.So yeh, I don't want to drag off topic (apologies, as i evidently have), but it just struck me that there was something quite powerfully authentic in his approach to this route that hasn't struck me in countless other videos of people climbing hard things. Thought it was quite interesting.Having worked in mental health for 30 plus years where body language has a part to play in the overall picture of someone’s mental presentation. The above is probably the biggest load of bollocks I heard in years.But don’t mind me you just carry on, maybe there’s a book in this. Possibly self help.
It can't be right cos I used to move beautifully and I'm a cunt.
Quote from: Doylo on May 18, 2022, 09:49:35 pmIt can't be right cos I used to move beautifully and I'm a cunt.If you call shaking like a shitting dog on everything from 7A to 8B then yes, beautiful