Quote from: Dexter on March 22, 2022, 10:48:46 amI think that climbing in the Olympics changes this a lot. You might not remember who wins some competitions here and there but the Olympics medalists for sure.Remind me - who won the Men’s Olympic gold?
I think that climbing in the Olympics changes this a lot. You might not remember who wins some competitions here and there but the Olympics medalists for sure.
…it's an objective view of the sport as a whole, present, past and future.
I dont think it makes a lot of sense to pretend outdoors is intrinsically better than indoors
Quote from: Johnny Brown on March 22, 2022, 10:57:30 am…it's an objective view of the sport as a whole, present, past and future.I’d be fascinated to know how you’ve made this view objective and sidestepped any personal or generational biases that may lead it it becoming subjective!
And I can’t even spell it. Plus I only know about Lynn Hill cos she won Snowbird. Has she done anything outside?
It's more objective than you lot are being. Hands up who was more excited for that guy who's name no one remembers bizarrely winning gold, or for Bosi doing Brandenberg gate? I mean I can copy and paste your derisory/ psyched comments on each thread if you insist. And that's a grotty old project at the tor vs the actual fucking olympics. NO ONE CARES.
OTOH, if you widen your umwelt to include the 8 year old down the Foundry who was desperately begging her mum to get her some 5:10s because "that's what Shauna wears" but who doesn't have a clue who Jerry is, your point gets somewhat weaker. And who still goes to the foundry?
More seriously Adam, if by "NO ONE" you mean no-one amongst me and my mates, I'm sure you're right.
What people value is not necessarily demonstrated by what they do, but what they aspire to do and are inspired by. Most of us live unremarkable lives dogged by circumstance and thwarted by contingencies. But we've all seen Free Solo.
Importance is purely subjective, participation is hard data and is a useful measure, but sure, aspiration is an important aspect and is one reason why part of the GB Climbing & BMC work isn't just about getting medals, but reduced barriers for those who want to try other aspects of the sport, whether that's climbing outside, becoming a coach, or anything else. Which you'd know if you'd read the various strategic plans which are publicly available.
Free Solo I.e the 4th best climbing film of all time (3rd best is Rampage, 2nd best is Fear and Loathing, best is the footage of Nalle doing BoD)
Quote from: Wellsy on March 22, 2022, 01:19:40 pmFree Solo I.e the 4th best climbing film of all time (3rd best is Rampage, 2nd best is Fear and Loathing, best is the footage of Nalle doing BoD)Err, The Real Thing....