This is just like Renegade Master. It’s annoying that everyone now cops out right. But I guess it’s become the accepted way of doing it.
This is all very amusing Am I missing something here or did everyone else miss the Steve Crow post where he points out, (illustrated by an Insta photo sequence of Andy), that noone has repeated Andy's original sequence that avoids the 'good' hold out right? .... Back around everyone.
I struggle to think of any bouldering example of an arete thats considered the same climb if you climb it on a different side?
What Franco did looks vastly different to what Dan did, what Dan has done is maybe a little different to Andy, but I mean come on, if Franco has climbed the same thing as Dan let alone Andy then maybe I should log Louie Armstrong as it shares the starting and finishing holds with Rocka, need to go do Ben's next, can claim Nacho start to keen roof for that too?
For a climb of that stature why wouldn't you investigate a better sequence?! On things like this we ought to be climbing lines not sequences.
Standard Will shitting on other people's passions, nice one. What Franco did is something, and pretty cool, highball too. But regardless of that, it's clearly vastly different from what Andy did, the quality shouldn't come into that, so I'm not sure why you need to shit on the cave, or the tor, or the ways people want to waste their time. The line is different to what he's climbing, that's the point. As Dan and others have said 2 could be climbing the same problem through their cruxes...
Quote from: yetix on February 06, 2022, 09:15:06 pmStandard Will shitting on other people's passions, nice one. What Franco did is something, and pretty cool, highball too. But regardless of that, it's clearly vastly different from what Andy did, the quality shouldn't come into that, so I'm not sure why you need to shit on the cave, or the tor, or the ways people want to waste their time. The line is different to what he's climbing, that's the point. As Dan and others have said 2 could be climbing the same problem through their cruxes...I mean the difference is literally getting a hold with your left or right, then a move left or right. This isn't freerider Vs salathe wall we're talking here.
It hugely changes the character of the climb though. Surely that's obvious?
I guess so. It's disappointing one of the 'big 3' turns out to be a weird eliminate line though. To my mind a line being 'the easiest way up' is a big part of what makes it quality in the first place. I feel like there's enough weird rules in bouldering and adding more makes it less fun. Obviously all quite subjective though, big path round the bag etc.