Think if I was a sport climber, I’d still rather go to the Barcelona area and get some sun on the Balearic coast rather than get battered by the Atlantic! No spirit of adventure these days…
in good condition from May - September, unlike Spain.
Fucks sake just get a year long visa, it isn't hard. You'll then have 1.25 years in Europe in, umm, 1.5 years. Whinging cunts
This ^. 90 days in 180 is no real-world constraint for 99% of people
Quote from: petejh on November 26, 2021, 11:16:20 amThis ^. 90 days in 180 is no real-world constraint for 99% of peopleProbably about the same proportion of the population who are young, male, black, and stopped by the police all the time - doesn't make it a great situation. ...
Not that I think you seriously were, but let's not compare racially motivated police harassment of minority groups with not being able to go on a 6 month+ international climbing trip without some extra admin. That aside, Brexit is shit.
It *is* mostly banter Sean - I’m not blind to the fact that spending 6 months climbing or in your Provence/Spanish second home is now a bit more difficult (but far from problematic, as I’ve pointed out). With most things the outcome is rarely as bad as the imagined outcome. We’ll see won’t we.
Ali, that seems logically inconsistent. The ‘extra benefit’ of the increased ‘ballache’ admin (of applying for a 12-month visa or proving you have €27,000 savings) is, obviously, staying in schengen for 12 months instead of 6.
The fact that you didn’t used to have to do that is separate from the fact that now, you do. Leaving the EU happened, and many of you hate that fact. But that is the reality.
Personally whilst I think Brexit was fucking stupid I don't get exercised by it these days in the same way Barrows/Ali do. Maybe because I hadn't really had the chance to go to Europe for longer than a few months I just don't miss what I never experienced?
My mate Andy hit me in the balls with a cricket ball when I was 15, I still hate the fucker now three decades later.
But that’s exactly my point Alex - it’s an argument against Brexit. And brexit has happened. So it’s an argument against something that has happened. Lamenting a past reality, that no longer exists and isn’t coming back, isn’t a productive use of time and doesn’t offer any value in negotiating the present reality.
I wouldn’t be happy if I were kicked in the balls, nor do I expect people who didn’t want to leave the EU to be happy that we left the EU. As for ‘get on board with me kicking him’, in the context of travelling to the schengen area I don’t know what you mean, probably because it’s meaningless. Get a 12-month visa etc, don’t get a 12-month visa etc. Those are currently your options. Edit: perhaps some people think I’m ascribing to other people what I think they should believe. I’m doing no such thing - I fully understand other people’s point of view about the EU and their upset at their preferred option not being the reality. I’d hope others would do the same in reverse by not ascribing beliefs and emotions to me that I don’t hold. (I actually wouldn’t have cared very much if the ref had gone the other way and would happily have gone on with life, perhaps thinking it was an interesting opportunity lost but hey-ho. But that probably doesn’t fit people’s agendas of a ‘leaver’. Anyway this is way OT, my fault).
If only it were the case that trustifarians being unable to vanlife through Spain indefinitely was the only ill that Brexit visited on us.
There's plenty of room for a Brexit that included a sane and sensible rather than antagonist relationship with the EU, and more freedom of movement for us could and should be a part of it. I'm sure the Spanish would be up for this. But first we'd need a government that didn't blame everything on foreigners...