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Any National Trust members?
seankenny:
--- Quote from: mrjonathanr on April 08, 2024, 07:31:31 am ---We fit the profile and want to enjoy the heritage of landscape and estates the Trust conserves. I think- without solid evidence, of course- that a lot of ‘people like us’ are actually very comfortable with a more honest and nuanced appraisal of the legacy of the past and how it was all built.
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These days “people like us” will include people whose ancestors were very much on the wrong end of the arrangement that led to those lovely country houses…
mrjonathanr:
All the more reason for re-appraisal then.
stone:
--- Quote from: seankenny on May 09, 2024, 07:04:47 pm ---These days “people like us” will include people whose ancestors were very much on the wrong end of the arrangement that led to those lovely country houses…
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I totally agree with you about stuff like Chatsworth being the loot from potato-famine causing Irish landlordism etc.
My impression is that things become even more flaky with older stuff. I'm not up to speed on the latest
genomics, but my impression is that there have been successive massive population replacements since people have been living in UK/Europe. I guess much as Native Americans were largely replaced in North America in more recent centuries. So the people who made the stone-age structures we admire today probably have no modern descendants. That doesn't mean that we can't see them as "our" heritage as UK residents (whether we moved here a month ago or many generations ago).
tomtom:
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--- Quote from: mrjonathanr on April 08, 2024, 07:31:31 am ---Thanks for the reply. We fit the profile and want to enjoy the heritage of landscape and estates the Trust conserves. I think- without solid evidence, of course- that a lot of ‘people like us’ are actually very comfortable with a more honest and nuanced appraisal of the legacy of the past and how it was all built.
The Tufton Street agenda appears the very cliche of culture war nostalgia and I can see the power of capturing an organisation as large and respected as NT. I can’t help but wonder if that’s the limit of their objectives. The Trust holds a huge amount of property. I wonder what they would like to do with it, given an opportunity. There’s a lot of money there.
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What do you think they would like to do with it?
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No idea mate, just find their relentless pursuit of the NT odd. Perhaps the performative platform it might provide is enough.
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To answer this Q Jonathan, the NT has 6 million members. It is by a very long way the largest of any such organisation in Europe.. Its membership is c.10 times that of the membership of ALL the Uk political parties...
If I were operating for a right wing think tank/pressure group wanting to make/hijack an agenda, taking control of an organisation with 6 million members would be a masterstroke if I could pull it off...
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