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There’s a bloke fighting this weekend
moose:
--- Quote from: Nibile on September 23, 2021, 05:16:23 pm ---
--- Quote from: Liamhutch89 on September 23, 2021, 10:15:21 am ---Nibile: Usyk KO 11 for my money
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Do you mean Usyk wins by ko or loses by ko?
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I reckon Joshua will win by TKO. Usyk is the better boxer, pound for pound (that Papa Lomachenko training) but he is a natural Cruiserweight and Joshua is a biiiiggggg Heavyweight. Evander Holyfield might have bridged that gap in the past but he was probably 'roided (see the "Evan Fields" Balco controversy). And, he faced smaller Heavyweights - Tyson for all his ability and viciousness was 5'10", Joshua is 6' 5-6".
Despite the difference in their physiques, Usyk has similarities to Ruiz, Joshua's last opponent - not tall, fast hands, and good technique. In the rematch against Ruiz, Joshua showed he could box patiently against such a speedster - keeping him at range and using the jab, Klitschko style. Usyk has won his two Heavyweight fights - Chaz Weatherspoon and Chisora - but while he never looked liked losing, he was not convincing. I wouldn't bet any money on it (and I find Usyk quite engaging "I am very....feel"), but I think a non-washed, genuine "Super Heavyweight" will be an unpleasant surprise for him - weight divisions exist for a a reason.
Yossarian:
--- Quote from: Liamhutch89 on September 23, 2021, 10:15:21 am ---Usyk KO 11 for my money.
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For a moment I thought this was a proposed name and new grading system for Gresh's route...
Nibile:
Moose and Liam, cheers.
Mixed feeling for me, I like both fighters.
spidermonkey09:
--- Quote from: moose on September 23, 2021, 10:20:47 pm ---
--- Quote from: Nibile on September 23, 2021, 05:16:23 pm ---
--- Quote from: Liamhutch89 on September 23, 2021, 10:15:21 am ---Nibile: Usyk KO 11 for my money
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Do you mean Usyk wins by ko or loses by ko?
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I reckon Joshua will win by TKO. Usyk is the better boxer, pound for pound (that Papa Lomachenko training) but he is a natural Cruiserweight and Joshua is a biiiiggggg Heavyweight. Evander Holyfield might have bridged that gap in the past but he was probably 'roided (see the "Evan Fields" Balco controversy). And, he faced smaller Heavyweights - Tyson for all his ability and viciousness was 5'10", Joshua is 6' 5-6".
Despite the difference in their physiques, Usyk has similarities to Ruiz, Joshua's last opponent - not tall, fast hands, and good technique. In the rematch against Ruiz, Joshua showed he could box patiently against such a speedster - keeping him at range and using the jab, Klitschko style. Usyk has won his two Heavyweight fights - Chaz Weatherspoon and Chisora - but while he never looked liked losing, he was not convincing. I wouldn't bet any money on it (and I find Usyk quite engaging "I am very....feel"), but I think a non-washed, genuine "Super Heavyweight" will be an unpleasant surprise for him - weight divisions exist for a a reason.
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Can we have a boxing thread? I agree with Moose; Usyk is a great fighter and was a quality cruiserweight but Joshua is not the blundering bodybuilder people caricature him as. He can box, and he is massive compared to Usyk. I wouldn't rule Usyk out, but he's going to have to box brilliantly to beat Joshua I think, eventually the heavy artillery will make itself felt. Also can't see AJ tiring as Liam predicts, he should be able to control the centre of the ring and do a fraction of the dancing Usyk will have to. Usyk looked good against his previous opponents but they were hardly in Joshua's class and he looked uncertain at times against Chisora and even Bellew down at cruiser. Great fight though.
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--- Quote from: spidermonkey09 on September 24, 2021, 12:52:03 pm ---
--- Quote from: moose on September 23, 2021, 10:20:47 pm ---
--- Quote from: Nibile on September 23, 2021, 05:16:23 pm ---
--- Quote from: Liamhutch89 on September 23, 2021, 10:15:21 am ---Nibile: Usyk KO 11 for my money
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Do you mean Usyk wins by ko or loses by ko?
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I reckon Joshua will win by TKO. Usyk is the better boxer, pound for pound (that Papa Lomachenko training) but he is a natural Cruiserweight and Joshua is a biiiiggggg Heavyweight. Evander Holyfield might have bridged that gap in the past but he was probably 'roided (see the "Evan Fields" Balco controversy). And, he faced smaller Heavyweights - Tyson for all his ability and viciousness was 5'10", Joshua is 6' 5-6".
Despite the difference in their physiques, Usyk has similarities to Ruiz, Joshua's last opponent - not tall, fast hands, and good technique. In the rematch against Ruiz, Joshua showed he could box patiently against such a speedster - keeping him at range and using the jab, Klitschko style. Usyk has won his two Heavyweight fights - Chaz Weatherspoon and Chisora - but while he never looked liked losing, he was not convincing. I wouldn't bet any money on it (and I find Usyk quite engaging "I am very....feel"), but I think a non-washed, genuine "Super Heavyweight" will be an unpleasant surprise for him - weight divisions exist for a a reason.
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Can we have a boxing thread? I agree with Moose; Usyk is a great fighter and was a quality cruiserweight but Joshua is not the blundering bodybuilder people caricature him as. He can box, and he is massive compared to Usyk. I wouldn't rule Usyk out, but he's going to have to box brilliantly to beat Joshua I think, eventually the heavy artillery will make itself felt. Also can't see AJ tiring as Liam predicts, he should be able to control the centre of the ring and do a fraction of the dancing Usyk will have to. Usyk looked good against his previous opponents but they were hardly in Joshua's class and he looked uncertain at times against Chisora and even Bellew down at cruiser. Great fight though.
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I see claims that Joshua's advantages are too much to overcome, but I see Usyk as having most of the advantages. Joshua has the size and strength (and house fighter 'advantages'), but Usyk has:
Ring IQ
Workrate and stamina
Southpaw
Footspeed
Angles
Offensive footwork (I think this is his key assett in this fight, applying mental pressure with his feet)
Accuracy
Ability to go through the gears and switch between plan A, B and C on the fly.
Confidence of not yet knowing defeat.
Hand speed is more or less even I think, Joshua's handspeed is underrated. Conversely, I think Joshua's power is a bit overrated. Go through his highlights and there's a distinct lack of proper knockouts, just lots of referee stoppages. It's certainly not wilder power! I'm not entirely convinced Joshua punches any harder than Chisora (look at their common opponent in Takam, whom chisora flat lined). Joshua is more skilled than people think and that's why he's a very good fighter, rather than his power, which is good but not extraordinary.
Don't get me wrong, this is a close fight where I only slightly favour usyk. If Joshua wins I dont think it will be down to his 3 inch height advantage or 20lb weight advantage, but it will be due to a continually improving Joshua who has added more tools to his game. It also helps that Joshua is already 4 rounds up on Howard Fosters card (lovely new porsche on his drive).
Proper excited! Usyk puts in a career best performance, goes up the gears in the 2nd half of the fight, bamboozles a tiring Joshua with angles and footwork, keeps upping the work rate and lands on those glass temples in the 11th :punk:
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