the shizzle > food & drink
Wanted: pasture raised meat, poultry, eggs, dairy in Yorkshire
turnipturned:
--- Quote from: teestub on August 16, 2021, 09:47:39 am ---
--- Quote from: Anti on August 16, 2021, 09:40:00 am ---...but people talking about pasture/grass fed meat in the UK drives me bonkers. We don't grain feed our beef here...
--- End quote ---
We do have intensive beef finishing lots here too https://amp.theguardian.com/environment/2018/may/29/revealed-industrial-scale-beef-farming-comes-to-the-uk
--- End quote ---
And more will appear as farmers desperately try and figure out a way of filling the income gap as 'Basic farm payment' gets phased out in the next few years.
We need more transparent conversations about how are meat is produced in the UK. In reality, its incredibly complex and sector cross cutting (environment, social, health etc). It's something we certainly haven't got right in UK and we really are at tipping point in 'British agriculture' as we transition out of CAP. If we get it right, we could dramatically shift the direction of environmental decline, if we get it wrong, it could be catastrophic.
As consumers, I think we need to make it pretty clear what we want and it's great to see people becoming more aware and conscience about their consumer behaviour. (I guess the challenge is, how do we ensure this isn't just a 'middle class' issue, I guess that comes with policy, but I am not sure our government has the foresight or the ability to listen).
Apologies, slightly sidetracked your original ask Liam, but hopefully some good context for you.
User deactivated.:
I don't mind at all about general discussion on animal produce and general farming practices, it's all relevant and I want to learn.
There is a huge disconnection between packaged meat in a supermarket and where it originally came from. It's all to easy to forget that they were even animals, let alone how they were raised. Perhaps slaughtering animals should be added to the school curriculum? I know I would have benefitted from that. Obviously, I'm half joking, but isn't it funny how the idea sounds so taboo whilst we will so easily let someone do it for us?
I say all this entirely guilty as someone who has never been involved in the process at any stage.
--- Quote from: turnipturned on August 16, 2021, 10:48:56 am ---If we get it right, we could dramatically shift the direction of environmental decline, if we get it wrong, it could be catastrophic.
--- End quote ---
I have complete faith our esteemed leader's will manage to fuck it up.
Anti:
--- Quote from: Liamhutch89 on August 16, 2021, 10:00:37 am ---
--- Quote from: Anti on August 16, 2021, 09:40:00 am ---I'm not sure if this is a symptom of too many American podcasts (people who've only just learned about the carnivore diet via Joe Rogan etc) but people talking about pasture/grass fed meat in the UK drives me bonkers. We don't grain feed our beef here and your lamb comes from all the heavily subsidised hilltop farms decimating the landscape. Chickens will happily eat grain, so you can speak to a local butcher about this if you want them rummaging through grass. Ours do but they love their grain stuff too.
The environmental impact of meat has very little to do with how far it's travelled and entirely due to the fact it's an environmentally impactful process.
--- End quote ---
I can't say that I've listened to any American podcasts, but it's good to know I've been mistaken if cows in the UK aren't fed grain. Does it mean much if chickens will happily eat grain? Considering that the human population is becoming more unhealthy by the day, happily eating absolute rubbish just because it's available, I can't see why other animals would be different.
In response to the environmental impact, your comment might lead someone on the fence to buy whatever is cheapest based on the idea that they can't make a difference. Is the distance travelled so negligible that this person would be correct to do so from an environmental perspective? I'd like to think that every little helps in lieu of living off gathered berries but perhaps that is naïve?
--- End quote ---
I hate that I sound so dichotomous in this sort of situation, and yes small difference can all add up but if the environment really is at the forefront of your mind then perhaps you really ought to re-think eating meat at all. Here's some interesting data: https://ourworldindata.org/food-choice-vs-eating-local
Anyway, half the battle with this shit is at least starting to think about it. It would be great if population went back to the rare meal of eating meat I suppose. Think a big family roast once a week.
teestub:
I think the meat being local isn’t important in terms of food miles, but in terms of a good butcher having a relationship with local producers and therefore being able to identify the good farmers with good farming practices, where (as turnip noted up page) the farms will be way better in terms of carbon numbers than any metadata will suggest.
User deactivated.:
--- Quote from: Anti on August 16, 2021, 12:06:50 pm ---
--- Quote from: Liamhutch89 on August 16, 2021, 10:00:37 am ---
--- Quote from: Anti on August 16, 2021, 09:40:00 am ---I'm not sure if this is a symptom of too many American podcasts (people who've only just learned about the carnivore diet via Joe Rogan etc) but people talking about pasture/grass fed meat in the UK drives me bonkers. We don't grain feed our beef here and your lamb comes from all the heavily subsidised hilltop farms decimating the landscape. Chickens will happily eat grain, so you can speak to a local butcher about this if you want them rummaging through grass. Ours do but they love their grain stuff too.
The environmental impact of meat has very little to do with how far it's travelled and entirely due to the fact it's an environmentally impactful process.
--- End quote ---
I can't say that I've listened to any American podcasts, but it's good to know I've been mistaken if cows in the UK aren't fed grain. Does it mean much if chickens will happily eat grain? Considering that the human population is becoming more unhealthy by the day, happily eating absolute rubbish just because it's available, I can't see why other animals would be different.
In response to the environmental impact, your comment might lead someone on the fence to buy whatever is cheapest based on the idea that they can't make a difference. Is the distance travelled so negligible that this person would be correct to do so from an environmental perspective? I'd like to think that every little helps in lieu of living off gathered berries but perhaps that is naïve?
--- End quote ---
I hate that I sound so dichotomous in this sort of situation, and yes small difference can all add up but if the environment really is at the forefront of your mind then perhaps you really ought to re-think eating meat at all. Here's some interesting data: https://ourworldindata.org/food-choice-vs-eating-local
Anyway, half the battle with this shit is at least starting to think about it. It would be great if population went back to the rare meal of eating meat I suppose. Think a big family roast once a week.
--- End quote ---
As mentioned above, I tried eating veggie and it doesn't work for me. I've tried twice. Nevertheless, that chart is very useful and it clearly shows that I should favour poultry, fish, pork and eggs over beef and lamb. It also indicates that a conscientious meat eater can have an emissions impact equal to a vegetarian who consumes chocolate and cheese (neither of which I eat for example).
Navigation
[0] Message Index
[*] Previous page
Go to full version