if one was to go to Wright's, the best approach would be to park at Peakstone in order to minimise the chance of disturbing/being seen by the landowners. It sounds like you wouldn't see any signs if you approached from there.
And you are saying you are against others being shown/encouraged into the same thing
Quote from: sdm on June 15, 2022, 06:56:25 pmif one was to go to Wright's, the best approach would be to park at Peakstone in order to minimise the chance of disturbing/being seen by the landowners. It sounds like you wouldn't see any signs if you approached from there.It might be useful to remember that landowners are often pretty savvy about access and climbers in general and have been known to check forums such as UKC and UKB for discussions such as this.
Fair point that the Anston argument is poor (and a good point that people have to get approach/parking information from somewhere), but I think that it illustrates something about how there's a divergence in terms of where people get their information from these days. Maybe a better example would be the recent thread on Kidneystone: on the one hand you have dozens of videos on Instagram, YouTube, and Vimeo showing people starting with left hand on the crimp, and on the other you have the first ascensionist matching the jug in the dim and distant past. In that case the confusion seems to come from the fact that the proper start is a) a bit shite and dabby and b) not specified anywhere (hence the thread), but the broader point is that social media has decentralised knowledge; it used to be that guidebooks were the sum total of our codified knowledge, then came magazines, books, websites like UKC...But with all of this there was a kind of 'top-down' communication - so in the context of bouldering, that meant people establishing problems and writing them up and all repeats using that original write-up (where the problem is, what the start holds are, where the finish holds are for choss). These write-ups then became videos and these videos were necessarily hosted on social media, and then you fast-forward to today and it's nigh-on impossible to figure out whether the video you're watching shows the FA/the same sequence the FA used or is crouch-starting/dab-taking/non-matching degeneracy. The day before Griffs was closed I went down to the Blackout roof inspired by a video I saw on Instagram, only to realise that the line climbed by the guy in the video and the line of the FA were totally different (classic case of all the right-hand holds on the FA were used for the left hand in this vid). I feel like there’s been a bit of a shift, away from a focus on how the problem was originally done (where the FA write-up/footage was a kind of ‘sacred text’, although we still have elements of that with things like heels on Green Traverse and Tsunami) and towards how I can get it done - so easier sequences, knees, etc. That opens the door to a whole tangent on Instagram green ticks, internet democratisation, and 'consumption' in climbing that's even further off-topic than I've already gone though...I guess my original point with it was that if we can agree that there's a large section of the climbing population that are getting their information from social media rather than what used to be centralised sources of information (i.e. guidebooks, UKC), then that does suggest that it's possible that people have been climbing at Wright's while totally unaware that they were doing anything wrong, because this move away from centralised knowledge and towards discrete bits of content has divorced knowledge of how to climb a specific problem from knowledge regarding the broader area, in terms of things like access issues. I'm mostly playing devil's advocate here - obviously this scenario entails people not just not using certain websites but also managing to miss clearly written signs on the approach to the crag - but I guess am trying to expand on Carliios' point that putting things on UKC/UKB/the RAD may not actually constitute reaching the people that need to be reached on this front, and that being exasperated that people aren’t looking at UKC/UKB/the RAD is less useful than asking why they aren’t and how we can change that. One thing that does occur is there was that 'Respect the Rock' series that the BMC produced post-lockdown - from memory they mostly featured social-media presences like Louis Parkinson and Jon Partridge, and there was a pretty good one about Cademan that seemed to be an attempt to pre-empt the obviously incoming shitstorm with regard to parking there, but I don't remember one for the Churnet or anything about it generally being good practice to check the RAD. Definitely a better approach than the Catalyst video at Pigeon's Cave that featured ban-flouting where they just edited out those bits and deleted the comments pointing it out... More immediately, getting a big fuck-off (BMC-funded?) sign at the crag itself to remove any excuses seems like a great idea.
One thing that does occur is there was that 'Respect the Rock' series that the BMC produced post-lockdown - from memory they mostly featured social-media presences like Louis Parkinson and Jon Partridge, and there was a pretty good one about Cademan that seemed to be an attempt to pre-empt the obviously incoming shitstorm with regard to parking there, but I don't remember one for the Churnet or anything about it generally being good practice to check the RAD.
If the BMC set up an online registration system it might help. 6 slots am, 6 slots pm. Check online if no slots available don't go. I can imagine currently folks driving out there to find it full not wanting to turn around after meningitis the trip. Better to know in advance it's full.
