Why they chose to address the question via a news / opinion piece style article is beyond me when a simple statement of their formal position would have been far clearer.
- the BMC has no moral authority over climbers,
An uncharitable view of this thread is that it shows how entitled and middle class climbers are, where dummies are spat out over not being allowed to go to the Tor whilst millions go hungry, are trapped in city apartments with no access to green space, or are forced to work without adequate PPE. I hope to be convinced this isn't the case, so why don't we all chill out a bit and have a bit more faith in each other for once?
why don't we all [...] have a bit more faith in each other for once?
Quote from: danm on April 22, 2020, 11:24:14 amwhy don't we all [...] have a bit more faith in each other for once?Your last para is the usual bollocks that you can use against any argument that isn't of life-and-death importance on a global scale.
To be fair Alex, youre as guilty of reductio ad absurdum arguments as we all are...its a feature of the forum!
But we have a clearer picture now and should be making rational decisions.
Quote from: danm on April 22, 2020, 11:24:14 amwhy don't we all [...] have a bit more faith in each other for once?Because I read the article and it was crap, so any faith I had evaporated? Your last para is the usual bollocks that you can use against any argument that isn't of life-and-death importance on a global scale. And yet, plenty of people still care about idle crap like sports, art, beach holidays etc. My clients still want to know whether their suppliers are using process x or process y so they can guess their costs better and squeeze the price of their next order down a bit etc. It's not like the BMC is distracted by the fact that it's changed role and is now devoting all resources to making ventilators, unless I missed that press release?
A few observations:Pete has his anti-BMC axe to grind as usual, nothing new to see here.Barrows seems to have allowed the sight of his forlornly hanging and dust covered kneepads get to him. A bit of an over-reaction I'd say.Bonjoy is correct about the usual fine line for access but the situation here, in public perception at least, is completely different. We are talking about activity which will be seen to actively risk harm to our fellow citizens and society at large. We have a credible voice as a community despite being seen as risk takers and extremists by the general public. Not taking a hardish line could destroy decades of work in short order. Nobody really gives a f*** about a bit of ivy being removed, this is a different ballgame entirely.I have no doubt we will fight for access tooth and nail once it becomes reasonable to do so. Rob D will likely be back on board for then.An uncharitable view of this thread is that it shows how entitled and middle class climbers are, where dummies are spat out over not being allowed to go to the Tor whilst millions go hungry, are trapped in city apartments with no access to green space, or are forced to work without adequate PPE. I hope to be convinced this isn't the case, so why don't we all chill out a bit and have a bit more faith in each other for once?
I can't see the great relevance of climbing in Austria, Sweden or Germany that Barrows raised: it's not the BMCs fault that there are UK based.