Seeing this this morning really pisssed me off. If some climbers are going to stick two fingers up to the rest of us or use the I live in a van excuse then they should at least have the decency to not spray. I mean, why dont we all go out there? I could be there in 20 minutes.
Murph I was just voicing how Im feeling....
Surely that video is trolling. Minus Ten Wall, Raven Tor....
10 minute drive. About the same distance van man has to go whenever he needs a pint of milk. Actually it's about the same as the extra distance van man has to go to get to calver spar rather than tideswell co op. So if calver spar is ok can I drive to curbar.
I think the kids example is different from this and I know I'm not going to change your mind... but this form of cant do something I otherwise would is different to injury or personal circumstance. This is hundreds of us electing to not go climbing voluntarily for no actual binding reason. It's not the same as leaving your kids to fend for themselves.
Like dave says he's relaxed about it if you do it "without drawing attention to yourself". I dont think this counts to be honest.
Quote from: Murph on April 14, 2020, 09:44:24 am10 minute drive. About the same distance van man has to go whenever he needs a pint of milk. Actually it's about the same as the extra distance van man has to go to get to calver spar rather than tideswell co op. So if calver spar is ok can I drive to curbar. Most people would consider buying food essential, going climbing isn't though.if I've understood you correctly? Three vans underneath Stanage, it's hard not to feel like these people are just taking the piss.
Phil Burke who lives in or near Litton has reported on UKC that he has passed non-local boulderers (5x) each time he has walked past Rubicon!Massively disappointing and at a very public venue so also very bad PR for the rest of us who will be tarred with the same brush.
Maybe van man can't afford the co-op because he's been put on Universal Credit so he's gone to the Spar.
All these climbers suddenly popping up in vans at major crags (which I rarely see in the parking on usual days) - some are quite obviously taking the piss. If they can live in their van and have to keep driving to a shop for a pint of milk, why don't they just park up closer to the shop? Plenty of safe and quiet places to park. Yet they keep going back to the climbing because they've consciously made the decision that they want to go climbing - which they have driven to go and do.The argument "oh we were here before lockdown" falls away. It's just selfishness.
just that cyclists should make peace with the fact that their position is probably really one based on government advice and not based on a strong moral/logical/statistical basis. I'm happy for someone to pull the stats apart a different way to argue the opposite position.
Most people would consider buying food essential, going climbing isn't though.if I've understood you correctly?
Just to unpack this.....Maybe van man can't afford the co-op because he's been put on Universal Credit so he's gone to the Spar. Driving for food is essential travel, driving to Curbar is clearly non-essential.
Quote from: Will Hunt on April 14, 2020, 09:54:59 amMaybe van man can't afford the co-op because he's been put on Universal Credit so he's gone to the Spar.You obviously don't know Calver Spar - it makes Waitrose look like Netto. Milk is probably £10 a pint.
Quote from: abarro81 on April 13, 2020, 05:30:35 pmjust that cyclists should make peace with the fact that their position is probably really one based on government advice and not based on a strong moral/logical/statistical basis. I'm happy for someone to pull the stats apart a different way to argue the opposite position. ...and here's me thinking I'd get to avoid work today by discussing the impact (if any) I'm having on R with Barrows.