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#675 Re: Climbing during CV-19
April 02, 2020, 01:06:29 pm
Pete if you read what I said you will see that I didn't call will close minded. I have no interest in giving will shit as Alex puts it. I said the way he is receiving arguments was not open minded in that he dismisses alternative views based on his prejudice ie. Other views are to be dismissed because he suspects they cant get out climbing - he could just ask if he thinks thats the case and in some way relevant to the issue. Anyway this seems to be going round in circles now so before I get called a moron I'm gonna quit posting. Hope everyone stays healthy.

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#676 Re: Climbing during CV-19
April 02, 2020, 01:23:34 pm
Matt -
1. No you weren't asking why, you were just rather flamboyantly trying to state your view.
2. I don't think you understood my post. My bracketed point was simply preempting someone posting a news article stating that a high % of those in hospital are young people; my point is that without knowing how many there are of each age group in the general population and how many in each age group are infected, that data isn't worth much

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#677 Re: Climbing during CV-19
April 02, 2020, 02:04:14 pm
Matt -
1. No you weren't asking why, you were just rather flamboyantly trying to state your view.
2. I don't think you understood my post. My bracketed point was simply preempting someone posting a news article stating that a high % of those in hospital are young people; my point is that without knowing how many there are of each age group in the general population and how many in each age group are infected, that data isn't worth much

I asked about the value of the data, full stop.

All of it is too contingent on unknown factors.

The only reasonably concrete data is the number of deaths and even then we donít know how many are actually C19 caused. Plenty will be deaths that might have occurred in short order anyway.
My point, overall, is that much of our speculation is, well, not much use.

You, Alex, appear to be on the ďitís not worth itĒ side. That is you seem to suspect the economic damage of current measures out-weigh  the benefits. Seem to.
My point is, I donít think thatís true. I think the economic costs AND the human costs of not doing this will be higher.
Because I donít like the death rate, doesnít mean I think itís the most critical aspect.
Because, in the long run, the number sick days, critically ill, knock on deaths and illness, would probably be much worse.
As I have said several times, least worst.

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#678 Re: Climbing during CV-19
April 02, 2020, 02:33:32 pm
I for one am enjoying the different viewpoints on here so please do keep posting everyone. I dont think thes actually too much major disagreement, everyone is probably just grumpy being cooped up. I know i am.

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#679 Re: Climbing during CV-19
April 02, 2020, 02:36:16 pm
You, Alex, appear to be on the ďitís not worth itĒ side. That is you seem to suspect the economic damage of current measures out-weigh  the benefits. Seem to.

Without trawling through Alex's posts, I'm pretty sure that isn't what he thinks. He was just trying to oppose what you'd implied, that any economic price was worth it to save even one life. We all know that that is not how risk management works in policy making.

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#680 Re: Climbing during CV-19
April 02, 2020, 02:37:44 pm
I asked about the value of the data, full stop.

In the original post, which we're referring to, you didn't ask anything about data. The second post (not referred to in my point 1) includes stuff about data, in response to the bracketed part of my post, and totally missed the point.

We're getting very cross-threads here, but I don't really have a strong view on where the line should sit, I just think that the line sits somewhere and absolutist statements like "If our lockdown, flattens that curve and people who donít need to die, donít, then itís worth it." make me want to  :wall:

i.e. what Will said... even if he can't use the quote function ;)

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#681 Re: Climbing during CV-19
April 02, 2020, 02:45:11 pm
I for one am enjoying the different viewpoints on here so please do keep posting everyone. I dont think thes actually too much major disagreement, everyone is probably just grumpy being cooped up. I know i am.

Agreed... the most sane place I visit on the internet and the humour is fabulous at times. It makes a nice change to be called a sanctimonious bellend (revenge is best served cold ;)) , when at work I often struggled to stop students calling me sir. All the place really needs is more women.

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#682 Re: Climbing during CV-19
April 02, 2020, 02:51:50 pm

Agreed... the most sane place I visit on the internet
I worry for you.

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#683 Re: Climbing during CV-19
April 02, 2020, 02:52:41 pm
I was going to say, where else do you frequent?!

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#684 Re: Climbing during CV-19
April 02, 2020, 03:00:03 pm
Well I've just seen Liam Fyfe (S Wales boulderer) telling people on FB not to take vaccines if they make one.. so ukb is a fair bit better than some places.

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#685 Re: Climbing during CV-19
April 02, 2020, 03:01:17 pm
Maybe he's keen to #takeonefortheteam?

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#686 Re: Climbing during CV-19
April 02, 2020, 03:53:27 pm
Seems to be an undercurrent of suspicion among certain people about the vaccine thing and social control measures. For e.g. I was walking home a couple of evenings ago and had crossed the street to get back to my house. A guy on the opposite side thought I was crossing the road to avoid him, and started chuckling and saying out loud stuff about 'scared of coronavirus' loud enough for me to hear him. I stopped and replied to him I wasn't avoiding him because of covid, but just because I needed to cross over to go into my house. There ensued a 10 minute conversation held across a road about how this is all a global scam and the governments will use the vaccine to insert digital monitors in us all. He also believed governments will use this event as an excuse to keep tougher social control measures in place indefinitely, using fear as justification.

None of which surprised me. I don't agree with him. Just wish I'd thought to say to him that just because he's paranoid it doesn't mean they're not out to get him.

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#687 Re: Climbing during CV-19
April 02, 2020, 04:10:46 pm
Wonder if there is a shortage of tin foil at supermarkets to make hats??

You must admit this must be a field day for conspiracy theorists!

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#688 Re: Climbing during CV-19
April 02, 2020, 05:22:34 pm
Seems to be an undercurrent of suspicion among certain people about the vaccine thing and social control measures. For e.g. I was walking home a couple of evenings ago and had crossed the street to get back to my house. A guy on the opposite side thought I was crossing the road to avoid him, and started chuckling and saying out loud stuff about 'scared of coronavirus' loud enough for me to hear him. I stopped and replied to him I wasn't avoiding him because of covid, but just because I needed to cross over to go into my house. There ensued a 10 minute conversation held across a road about how this is all a global scam and the governments will use the vaccine to insert digital monitors in us all. He also believed governments will use this event as an excuse to keep tougher social control measures in place indefinitely, using fear as justification.

None of which surprised me. I don't agree with him. Just wish I'd thought to say to him that just because he's paranoid it doesn't mean they're not out to get him.

Iíll see your nut job and raise you an absolute Fruit loop:

https://abcnews.go.com/US/engineer-allegedly-crash-train-usns-mercy-los-angeles/story?id=69926172

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#689 Re: Climbing during CV-19
April 05, 2020, 09:54:35 am
Scotland's chief medical officer displaying perfectly why following the rules of lock-down is for the poor not the rich.
'Stay at home. Unless you're better than that. Then stay at second home (and bullshit to justify it).'
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/apr/05/scotland-chief-medical-officer-seen-flouting-lockdown-advice-catherine-calderwood






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#690 Re: Climbing during CV-19
April 05, 2020, 09:59:18 am
Gonna be hard to convince people to adhere to long lockdowns with shit like that, plus the bullshit excuse. Maybe I just need to check on my project, take the clips out etc...

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#691 Re: Climbing during CV-19
April 05, 2020, 10:05:27 am
Yep, it's the upper class version of someone from Liverpool going to their caravan in Rhyl. Just dressed up and justified with intelligent-sounding bullshit.

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#692 Re: Climbing during CV-19
April 05, 2020, 12:51:01 pm
That is a crock of shit. In normal times she would have to resign, but suppose there may be a requirement for her to keep doing the job given the exceptional circumstances. Either way i hope she got an absolute Malcolm Tucker of a bollocking. Beyond belief.

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#693 Re: Climbing during CV-19
April 05, 2020, 12:56:54 pm
I live on a street with 6-7 holiday/second homes and all are now filled with there owners.

A couple were already here and to be fair they have been since the shut down but 4 of them have arrived since Friday and 2 out of those have come up from London.

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#694 Re: Climbing during CV-19
April 06, 2020, 10:08:52 am
She's now resigned

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#695 Re: Climbing during CV-19
April 06, 2020, 02:53:29 pm
Maybe I just need to check on my project, take the clips out etc...

It was a good enough one for one pro spanish climber!

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#696 Re: Climbing during CV-19
April 06, 2020, 04:19:25 pm
Lines of cars parked at Clear Creek Canyon yesterday apparently, people can be so selfish in this country  :furious:

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#697 Re: Climbing during CV-19
April 06, 2020, 06:38:56 pm
That Lord Sumption interview in full:

https://soundcloud.com/spectator1828/lord-sumption-discussing-the-police-response-to-coronavirus

Anyone think this will age well?


1min10secs: 'anyone who has studied history will recognise here, the classic symptoms of collective hysteria'.

Andy P?




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#698 Re: Climbing during CV-19
April 06, 2020, 06:55:37 pm
Maybe I just need to check on my project, take the clips out etc...

It was a good enough one for one pro spanish climber!

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#699 Re: Climbing during CV-19
April 09, 2020, 11:22:46 am

 

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