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The REACH index...
March 11, 2020, 08:59:06 pm
Given Fiends new found interest in climbing metrics, I thought I'd throw this one in. Be interesting to compare people. Basically its a combination of ape and height (with a little bit more thrown in too) and I think is probably a good measure of how able you are to 'lank' something.

Quite simply it is the distance you can reach standing on the floor. Of course using just one hand - and you can get further with one foot too. Tip toes fine - but no jumping :D in other words replicating what you could do on rock reaching as faaaar as you could.

So it takes into account arm length, body length, flexibility and ability to rotate hips and shoulder. My logic is that it represents  your max range of how you could theoretically reach a hold (this assumes its a slab I guess - but it also translates into how far you can reach things statically too..).

For me its 2.65m (!! seems like alot). I am 1.88m standing flat on my feet. We can also put this into a ratio - which may normalise for height to show how well people can use what height/ape they have etc.. so for me its: 1.41.

2.65m; 1.88m; 1.41

Oh - and thats with my left arm/right leg. I'm 2cm worse with the right arm/left leg!

What about everyone else?
« Last Edit: March 11, 2020, 09:04:26 pm by tomtom »

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#1 Re: The REACH index...
March 11, 2020, 09:02:29 pm
Just saw this on the other thread...

I think the debilitating effect of broad shoulders and inflexible hips should definitely be accounted for  :tease:
#pubscience

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#2 Re: The REACH index...
March 11, 2020, 09:30:04 pm
Thanks. Will bolt this on to my algorithm to make it even more sciencey.

Yetix was moaning about this, that he has a +8 ape index but 4' wide shoulders (or something) so while he can fridgehug an entire fridge freezer, his vertical reach is tyrannosaur proportions.

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#3 Re: The REACH index...
March 11, 2020, 09:32:58 pm
I've been thinking about starting this thread, so thanks tt

R- 2.35m
H- 1.75m
S- 1.81m

Ratio 1.34

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#4 Re: The REACH index...
March 11, 2020, 09:37:58 pm
Tom - either I'm tall but stumpy, or you have a massive ape index / broad and extendable shoulders?  I often find I'm outreached by short people but that's probably more due to being too weak to pull up than any skeletal ratios.

R: 2.53
H: 1.91
S: 1.32

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#5 Re: The REACH index...
March 11, 2020, 09:46:14 pm
Tom - either I'm tall but stumpy, or you have a massive ape index / broad and extendable shoulders?  I often find I'm outreached by short people but that's probably more due to being too weak to pull up than any skeletal ratios.

R: 2.53
H: 1.91
S: 1.32

I've gone and re-measured. I think I may have moved the tape measure first time (5cm over). Found a little mark on the wall I can just snag. Sorry! My ape is +4 or 5 cm (not huge but positive..). I think after 20-30 min of stretching (including one arm deadhang) I might get a cm or two more...

Reach: 2.60
Height: 1.88
Ratio: 1.38

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#6 Re: The REACH index...
March 11, 2020, 10:03:45 pm
R 2.33
H 1.71
S 1.87

How do I work out the ratio?  :shrug:

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#7 Re: The REACH index...
March 11, 2020, 10:07:16 pm
Moose, either that's a typo or you didn't use S to stand for span like I did!
Cheque, R/H. Also your span is massive! +17cm ape!

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#8 Re: The REACH index...
March 11, 2020, 10:10:20 pm
R 2.33
H 1.71
S 1.87

How do I work out the ratio?  :shrug:

R/H.

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#9 Re: The REACH index...
March 11, 2020, 10:18:22 pm
Moose, either that's a typo or you didn't use S to stand for span like I did!
Quote

to clarify,
Reach is 253cm (so far as I can tell - tricky to manipulate a tape measure over ones head!)
Height is 191cm  (6'3" in old units)
Ratio is 1.32
my ape index is 0

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#10 Re: The REACH index...
March 11, 2020, 10:38:40 pm
Cheque, R/H. Also your span is massive! +17cm ape!

Cheers, 1.36 ratio for me then.

Im 7cm shorter since my accident- ape index was high before, its ridiculous now!  :lol:

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#11 Re: The REACH index...
March 12, 2020, 10:45:15 am
Love things like this, just further confirmation I'm a lanky tw*t!

R 2.74
H 1.96
S 2.03

Ratio of 1.39.


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#12 Re: The REACH index...
March 12, 2020, 11:02:46 am
I said something kind of similar to this quite a while ago:
https://ukbouldering.com/board/index.php?topic=10347.0

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#13 Re: The REACH index...
March 12, 2020, 11:05:06 am
R 2.15
H 1.67
S 1.71

Ration of 1.29. Think thats the smallest so far; what does this mean?

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#14 Re: The REACH index...
March 12, 2020, 11:10:24 am
Result! You're now both the shittest AND the stumpiest person to do Bat Route!

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#15 Re: The REACH index...
March 12, 2020, 11:12:37 am
Sweet!

I wonder what the median ratio would be. Need more data; someone hack into the Lattice server...

Probably a dumb question, but how does broad shoulders effect ones reach?

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#16 Re: The REACH index...
March 12, 2020, 11:22:03 am
R - 2.35
H - 1.77
S - 1.77

Ratio is 1.33

That's right side, I can only reach 2.33 with the left hand.

*six years ago I used to have a -4cm ape and it would seem that all the shoulder and back physo after rolling my van has altered that. A massage therapist for a girlfriend must help too.

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#17 Re: The REACH index...
March 12, 2020, 11:23:01 am
R: 230
H: 170
S: 175

Ratio 1.31

Jim I thought you were shorter, you obviously just stoop even worse than me 😄

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#18 Re: The REACH index...
March 12, 2020, 03:11:52 pm
R: 225
H: 168
S: 175

Ratio 1.34

Swear I used to be 167 and negative AI (-1" so ~3cm), maybe mobilty & postural stuff has helped but more likely I measured Span wrong at least

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#19 Re: The REACH index...
March 12, 2020, 03:29:33 pm
I only measured reach with one hand, presume its the same with my other hand. Or really, should we measure with both hands above head at same time?

Jim I thought you were shorter, you obviously just stoop even worse than me 😄

Yet another postural inefficiency to address...

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#20 Re: The REACH index...
March 12, 2020, 03:57:23 pm
R 2.15
H 1.67
S 1.71

Ration of 1.29. Think thats the smallest so far; what does this mean?
Seems low considering you've got a fairly positive AI.
Are you stood on one foot and reaching with the other hand? This adds a bit compared to keeping both feet on the floor.
You are the shortest data point so far so could be the ratio varies with height

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#21 Re: The REACH index...
March 12, 2020, 04:12:25 pm
R - 248
H - 181
S - 196

1.37

I would like to reiterate that long arms do not necessarily give an advantage  :lol:

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#22 Re: The REACH index...
March 12, 2020, 08:16:12 pm
R - 241
H - 178
S - 189  ..never realised I had +11 AI until now

1.35


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#23 Re: The REACH index...
March 12, 2020, 09:12:53 pm
R - 248
H - 181
S - 196

1.37

I would like to reiterate that long arms do not necessarily give an advantage  :lol:

Your reach is disappointing, were you standing on one leg on top toe? That ape though 😂 20 cm  difference from mine!

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#24 Re: The REACH index...
March 12, 2020, 09:52:32 pm
I said something kind of similar to this quite a while ago:
https://ukbouldering.com/board/index.php?topic=10347.0

So come on - what are your figures Will?

 

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