[Bonjoy]

I gave it a bit more time. Yeadon makes a lot of claims, some quite extreme, it would take a very long post to do even a layman's critique. One thing that did stand out was that despite vehemently objecting to being labelled anti vaccine, he claims the vaccinations are largely unnecessary and will not have saved a significant number of lives. He suggests it's a scam to trick people into a vaccine passport which is designed to be at best the pathway to a totalitarian state control system, or at worst a mechanism for mass de-population either directly or via fertility control. Very bold claims made with no substantive evidence. It also flies in the face of the emerging statistics on deaths from CV19 in pre and post vaccination waves. It does illustrate the power of being called a scientist and talking in a particular kind of language today.

[slab_happy]

Very interested to hear what ukbers thing of this: https://www.bitchute.com/video/pJCvN4EveYt2/

If you are genuinely interested in what UKBers think, could you please post an article or two summarising the issues, for people who aren't able to watch a 35 minute video right now?? Ta.

Also for the people who would be able to watch a 35 minute video right now, but can't be arsed to do so just in order to find out if this one is "vaccines make you infertile!!!", "everyone vaccinated will die within 2 years!!!", or "it's all a vast conspiracy by Bill Gates/Fauci/Soros/the Elders of Zion!!!"

I mean, if I'm going to die within 2 years, can't afford to waste my time, right?

Still, if EWS wants to engage about this, they deserve a fair chance.

Yup. If they want to state their claims/concerns, they can do so.

But if they're not willing to take more than the few seconds needed to post a link and some boiler-plate conspiracy hints and run, no reason why anyone else should put in more energy.

[Oldmanmatt]

You can now track vaccine take up in your MSOA:

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/interactive-map/vaccinations

[shark]

Be nice people. First post and all that.

 

[Oldmanmatt]

Aaannd…

With 4 of 4 already home until next Monday, with her whole year out because of Staff isolating; 3 of 4 has just been sent home (from a different school) to isolate as a close contact.
This pisses Mrs OMM off beyond reason, as she’s actually getting shot 2 at 15:30 today.
After months and months of being careful, at the last moment and due to government enforced stupidity, her greatest threat is one of our home grown plague rats.

[SamT]

12 new cases reported in Y8 in my lads school on Monday.  They didn't have time to go through the whole tracing/contact rigmarole for all 12 cases, so made the whole year stay home on Tuesday whilst they sorted it all out.   Most of the year have to isolate for 10 days anyhow.   

Not long before the headlines turn towards the 'superspreader' events currently happening in Wembley. 

[lagerstarfish]

Walk in Pfizer vaccination clinic tomorrow Thursday 8 July at Victoria hall, Norfolk Street, Sheffield.
11am till 3pm.
Aimed at asylum seekers, homeless, rough sleepers.
No appointment needed and not necessary to be registered with a GP.
If you know anyone who might benefit, let them know.
 Cheers

[slab_happy]

Well, the government seem to be doing their best to take a potentially-manageable wave and make it into an unmanageable one.

I'm now feeling a lot less sanguine about waiting re: vaccines for teenagers since government policy looks very much like it's going to be "abandon even trying to isolate contacts for kids and just let it rip through the schools".

[slab_happy]

The British Society for Immunology and the UK Coronavirus Immunology Consortium have produced an infographic on the relative merits of immunity through infection and through vaccination:

https://twitter.com/britsocimm/status/1412674411254140928

[mrjonathanr]

government policy looks very much like it's going to be "abandon even trying to isolate contacts for kids and just let it rip through the schools".

Most school age children will get it, that much is clear. The outcome, rather less so.

[Fiend]

I have a question (whilst I'm waiting for the follow-up from EWS)...

What proportion of Long Covid cases come from severe / hospitalisable cases of the initial covid, compared to LC cases that come from a mild / non-hospitalisable case of the initial covid??

(This is in the context of vaccines seeming to reduce the severity of the initial covid, but wondering how well that correlates to reducing the chances of Long Covid)

[TobyD]

https://inews.co.uk/nhs/nhs-staff-claims-hospital-manage-covid-situation-cases-1091598

[slab_happy]

I have a question (whilst I'm waiting for the follow-up from EWS)...

What proportion of Long Covid cases come from severe / hospitalisable cases of the initial covid, compared to LC cases that come from a mild / non-hospitalisable case of the initial covid??

(This is in the context of vaccines seeming to reduce the severity of the initial covid, but wondering how well that correlates to reducing the chances of Long Covid)

Found this:

https://fullfact.org/health/matt-hancock-long-covid/

Based on the Zoe app data:

The research paper says people with long Covid were “more likely to have required hospital assessment in the acute period.” Overall, 13.9% of the confirmed cases in the study had visited hospital. However, among those reporting symptoms for at least four weeks this rose to 31.5%, and among those reporting symptoms for at least eight weeks it was 43.9%.

If I recall correctly, the same team also had data suggesting that being fully vaccinated knocks about a third off your chances of long Covid if you do get a breakthrough infection.

[SamT]

New three word slogan for the gov seems to be ..

See
What
Happens

blatantly nicked but seems apposite

[slab_happy]

NYT has a breakdown of the relative risks of vaccination versus Covid for kids:

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/04/opinion/covid-vaccine-kids-risks.html

[petejh]

https://inews.co.uk/nhs/nhs-staff-claims-hospital-manage-covid-situation-cases-1091598

Or in other words, we're approaching something close to normal life then.. i.e. hospitals overstretched with non-covid patients who've suffered the misfortunes of a life out of lockdown. Long may that continue.

[danm]

No, we're looking at hospitals with record admissions with tired staff which are likely to implode when autumn/winter comes because the normal regrouping and recuperation period through the summer isn't happening. My A&E registrar neighbour says they are running at 450 cases per day atm when 250 is normal for a busy flu season in winter. It simply isn't sustainable.

[lagerstarfish]

Walk in Pfizer vaccination clinic tomorrow Thursday 8 July at Victoria hall, Norfolk Street, Sheffield.
11am till 3pm.
Aimed at asylum seekers, homeless, rough sleepers.
No appointment needed and not necessary to be registered with a GP.
If you know anyone who might benefit, let them know.
 Cheers

Currently no queue and plenty of vaccines available

Open for everyone

[BrutusTheBear]

https://inews.co.uk/nhs/nhs-staff-claims-hospital-manage-covid-situation-cases-1091598

Or in other words, we're approaching something close to normal life then.. i.e. hospitals overstretched with non-covid patients who've suffered the misfortunes of a life out of lockdown. Long may that continue.

Long may hospitals continue to be overstretched? That's not desirable.

[petejh]

It was said to mean that I'd far rather live in a country with a health service stretched by non-pandemic issues - because that would mean we're free of the worst effects of the pandemic and so freer to go about living our lives - than in a country with a health service stretched by serious covid cases (and thus lockdowns/restrictions) Thought that was obvious..
Of course I'd much rather a health service that wasn't stretched at all!

[slab_happy]

It was said to mean that I'd far rather live in a country with a health service stretched by non-pandemic issues - because that would mean we're free of the worst effects of the pandemic and so freer to go about living our lives - than in a country with a health service stretched by serious covid cases

Unfortunately, looks like we're going to get to have both at the same time:

https://twitter.com/ChrisCEOHopson/status/1413000336915243010

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/leeds-cancer-surgery-coronavirus-nhs-b1879646.html

The NHS won't collapse and it's unlikely that there'll have to be the covert triage that there was in the first wave, but it could still be pretty rough. "Normal" this ain't.

[Oldmanmatt]

It was said to mean that I'd far rather live in a country with a health service stretched by non-pandemic issues - because that would mean we're free of the worst effects of the pandemic and so freer to go about living our lives - than in a country with a health service stretched by serious covid cases

Unfortunately, looks like we're going to get to have both at the same time:

https://twitter.com/ChrisCEOHopson/status/1413000336915243010

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/leeds-cancer-surgery-coronavirus-nhs-b1879646.html

The NHS won't collapse and it's unlikely that there'll have to be the covert triage that there was in the first wave, but it could still be pretty rough. "Normal" this ain't.

Posted without comment:

https://bidstats.uk/tenders/2021/W23/752550337

[sherlock]

Suspect that contract has already been given to Hancock Harding ltd Purveyors of Antique Rocking Horses, or some fucking thing equally inappropriate.

[Oldmanmatt]

Suspect that contract has already been given to Hancock Harding ltd Purveyors of Antique Rocking Horses, or some fucking thing equally inappropriate.

Yeah, but the MD’s granddaughter babysits Rishi’s cousin’s next door neighbour’s cat, when they’re at the holiday cottage (12 bed rooms and four receptions, two pools), so it’s alright.

[slab_happy]

Posted without comment:

https://bidstats.uk/tenders/2021/W23/752550337

FWIW, this is apparently less terrifying than it looks (I saw it when it was being circulated as "proof" that vaccines were expected to kill vast numbers of people):

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-body-storage-idUSL2N2O6230

And some Googling confirms that contingency temporary body storage is indeed a thing which local authorities are meant to have planned as part of preparedness for catastrophic emergencies of any kind.

See this from 2016:

https://www.walthamforestccg.nhs.uk/downloads/aboutus/publications/governingbodymeetings/2016/NHS-Waltham-Forest-CCG-Governing-body-papers-part-1-28-September-2016.pdf

Audit - Minimum Standards for London (MSLs)

4.1The MSLs outline the response capabilities which each London local authority is expected to have available during an emergency and what plans they are expected to maintain.

4.2 Local authorities review these capabilities and plans each year, with a number of the plans selected for more detailed review by the London Fire Brigade Emergency Planning team. This November, one of the plans selected for more detailed review will be our Excess Deaths Plan.

Additional planning options for the BRF

4.3The BRF is currently considering additional operational planning for excess deaths:

1) Detailed assessment of the body storage capacity of local funeral directors.

2) Detailed planning for additional, temporary body storage capacity in the borough

So, not Covid-specific, this is the "what happens if London gets nuked" planning.