Since some of you seem to be preoccupied with the situation in the Netherlands, here’s some inside details from the country thats acting almost as crazy as Sweden......
I thought you had been out for walks will?
Quote from: HaeMeS on April 03, 2020, 09:31:36 pmSince some of you seem to be preoccupied with the situation in the Netherlands, here’s some inside details from the country thats acting almost as crazy as Sweden......So only a little more lax than here but with calmer reporting?My wife has been out walking the kids each day this week and has reported significantly more traffic about. It seems people are getting bored of the lockdown. Or at least have a completely different idea of what the word "essential" means. Some of my work colleagues have been into work to collect a monitor to make it more easy to work at home. Journeys of 10 miles +, sometimes on the M62 there. Hardly essential is it?We can't say that we're saints on here though, can we? The "how to build a woodie" thread has seen plenty of people out buying wood for instance... (Sorry if that's you. I have no idea whether the local builder's merchants is right next to the supermarket and you were there anyway).Not me, though. I haven't left home for a week other than to go to Aldi for an hour - which was the scariest time of the whole situation so far. I kept feeling the urge to say "blessed be the fruit" to everyone.
I think our friends new neighbours may get some ‘dirty post’ ...Seriously though.. I am unlikely to come across grockles because we’re not leaving home at all, save to go for walks straight from home.. Viruses can’t move by themselves, it’s not hard to grasp, surely. So either some people really aren’t so sharp or they’re just being selfish cvnts. Given that our anecdotal sample of ‘self isolating’ Londoners went ‘surfing’ this afternoon in the shittest conditions imaginable, I’m suggesting it’s the latter.
Since some of you seem to be preoccupied with the situation in the Netherlands, here’s some inside details from the country thats acting almost as crazy as Sweden...The National Institute for Public Health and the Environment (RIVM) is basically in charge and tells the government what to do. It’s not politicians or the media dictating rules and regulations, it’s epidemiologists. Contrarily to what some might think what is in place is a pretty effective yet not restrictive voluntary lockdown. Basically all social contact has come to a standstill. Gatherings of more than 3 people are not allowed. Walking, surfing, cycling, running, walking the dog is allowed. Just keep your distance. No need to get upset over people doing stuff outside where it is not possible to infect others! Big parking lots at very popular outdoor venues have closed or will close during the weekend. Schools have been closed for 3 weeks now, bit kids are still allowed to play together outside. Work and travel is still not restricted, but people are asked to stay home, which has a huge effect.The funny thing is, in normal live (the live not lived on social media and internet fora) hardly anybody is panicking, even newspapers and television are keeping it sane. And yes, deaths and IC admissions are still on the rise, but the growth is slowing down, and will probably stabilize in a few days. RIVM has changed it’s approach since the start of the outbreak, but that's hardly surprising as they will have to act to a known unknown, but do not want to disrupt normal live excessively. It seems they/the government are doing an OK job (disclaimer: I’ve worked @RIVM in the past, but on a different subject).Today, we saw official data on weekly mortality in 2020 which was compared to weekly mortality in the previous years. It shows the real mortality caused by COVID-19 to be a lot bigger than hospital data (duh...). It also shows COVID-19 mortality to be bigger than mortality caused by the last serious outbreak of the flu. Next weeks data will be even higher: https://www.rivm.nl/monitoring-sterftecijfers-nederlandConcerning IC capacity: today’s 1324 IC beds are occupied by COVID-19 patients. Up by 51. IC Capacity has gone up to 2100 beds (from 1200), and will rise to 2400 in a couple of days. No panic yet.
Scientists have warned repeatedly that strict lockdowns make it harder to build up immunity and create the risk of a new spike in cases when people are let out again.
Sweden on the other hand... Perhaps their epidemiologists think the low population density will keep the virus under control there? It might well do.
I’m pretty sure I’ve got it (mildly.). Colleague tested positive and 3/4 of people in my house unwell. The 7 year old is happily unaffected. Symptoms have been dry cough, chest pains and breathless. No fever, although I normally run at 35.6 and got up to 37. The illness overlapped with having shingles so it was difficult to be specific about tiredness, headaches etc. I might not change my behaviour in regards to social distancing, but I’ll certainly feel more confident at work - patient facing NHS. In a lot of ways it’s a massive relief to be pretty certain I’ve had it.
It will, but that’s true everywhere since there’s no vaccine, and we suspect no natural immunity. All the efforts to date are about slowing the rate of infection, to stop health services being overwhelmed and buy more time for a vaccine.
By contrast, our numbers only really dropped when Boris closed the pubs. Perhaps the Dutch are just better at following advice than us, without being forced to?
Quote from: Stu Littlefair on April 04, 2020, 08:48:13 amBy contrast, our numbers only really dropped when Boris closed the pubs. Perhaps the Dutch are just better at following advice than us, without being forced to?Or, perhaps the Dutch don't have social lives that revolve around binge drinking?
Quote from: Ru on April 04, 2020, 10:33:09 amQuote from: Stu Littlefair on April 04, 2020, 08:48:13 amBy contrast, our numbers only really dropped when Boris closed the pubs. Perhaps the Dutch are just better at following advice than us, without being forced to?Or, perhaps the Dutch don't have social lives that revolve around binge drinking?
More grim news on the deaths totals today... Looks like we’re well in the same zone as Spain and Italy...
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