The people not heeding govt advice about social distancing/ socialising are quite simply being selfish. Putting their desires above the bigger picture of people dying. Selfish actions are not mutually exclusive to the over 50/60’s but look how that age group have recently voted... (twice).
Ooh controversial TT! Not agreeing or disagreeing, but noting that there's a powerful undertone in this crisis of them and us.
Yes older / younger. Or higher risk / lower risk. The PPE thing, gov could easily requisition at a guess 10s of thousands of FFP3 masks from industrial services companies and other industrial companies who have stores full of them because they use them daily.
Are people still planning to go climbing outside at the weekend? Desperate to escape the house while I still can. My gut feeling is that its still ok but interested in what others think.
The crags will be empty but they always are.
To counter all the news about how bad it is in hospitals at the minute i have family working in hospitals in north east, a doctor and a buyer. The buyer is manic busy spending millions on stuff in prep for what ever happens, they have re opened old wards and got more beds etc.
However they both say the hospitals are really quite, way quieter than normal and all is calm. There is a sense that something is about to happen but at the minute its quiter than a normal March.
Quote from: petejh on March 18, 2020, 11:38:10 pmYes older / younger. Or higher risk / lower risk. The PPE thing, gov could easily requisition at a guess 10s of thousands of FFP3 masks from industrial services companies and other industrial companies who have stores full of them because they use them daily.Blimey, if your people have stocks why not get in touch with someone and see if they can be used. I really don't feel terribly reassured about potentially very close and prolonged exposure to high virus load with a paper napkin over my face. Even worse for people in ICUs.
A police officer we know has been instructed to be a ‘first responder’, they have been issued with no PPE and will be coming into contact with anyone. She was at Screwfix yesterday buying the kind of face mask you would use for a bit of DIY.. not sure how effective these masks are but very concerning that the police are unable to supply frontline officers with basic PPE.
Quote from: gme on March 19, 2020, 10:40:05 amThe crags will be empty but they always are.amen to thatQuoteTo counter all the news about how bad it is in hospitals at the minute i have family working in hospitals in north east, a doctor and a buyer. The buyer is manic busy spending millions on stuff in prep for what ever happens, they have re opened old wards and got more beds etc. good to hearQuoteHowever they both say the hospitals are really quite, way quieter than normal and all is calm. There is a sense that something is about to happen but at the minute its quiter than a normal March.Because all non essential ops have been cancelled?? (and a lot of the neds are out panic buying instead of rocking up at A&E cause they have a splinter ?? )
To counter all the news about how bad it is in hospitals at the minute i have family working in hospitals in north east, a doctor and a buyer. The buyer is manic busy spending millions on stuff in prep for what ever happens, they have re opened old wards and got more beds etc. However they both say the hospitals are really quite, way quieter than normal and all is calm. There is a sense that something is about to happen but at the minute its quiter than a normal March.
4/ I myself watched with some amazement the reorganization of the entire hospital in the past week, when our current enemy was still in the shadows: the wards slowly "emptied", elective activities were interrupted, intensive care were freed up to create as many beds as possible.5/ All this rapid transformation brought an atmosphere of silence and surreal emptiness to the corridors of the hospital that we did not yet understand, waiting for a war that was yet to begin and that many (including me) were not so sure would ever come with such ferocity.6/ I still remember my night call a week ago when I was waiting for the results of a swab. When I think about it, my anxiety over one possible case seems almost ridiculous and unjustified, now that I've seen what's happening. Well, the situation now is dramatic to say the least.7/ The war has literally exploded and battles are uninterrupted day and night. But now that need for beds has arrived in all its drama. One after the other the departments that had been emptied fill up at an impressive pace.8/ The boards with the names of the patients, of different colours depending on the operating unit, are now all red and instead of surgery you see the diagnosis, which is always the damned same: bilateral interstitial pneumonia.11/ Cases are multiplying, we arrive at a rate of 15-20 admissions per day all for the same reason. The results of the swabs now come one after the other: positive, positive, positive. Suddenly the E.R. is collapsing.13/ Someone already to be intubated and go to intensive care. For others it's too late... Every ventilator becomes like gold: those in operating theatres that have now suspended their non-urgent activity become intensive care places that did not exist before.
Quote from: gme on March 19, 2020, 10:40:05 amTo counter all the news about how bad it is in hospitals at the minute i have family working in hospitals in north east, a doctor and a buyer. The buyer is manic busy spending millions on stuff in prep for what ever happens, they have re opened old wards and got more beds etc. However they both say the hospitals are really quite, way quieter than normal and all is calm. There is a sense that something is about to happen but at the minute its quiter than a normal March.Silvia Stringhini, an italian doctor on twitter ten days ago:Quote4/ I myself watched with some amazement the reorganization of the entire hospital in the past week, when our current enemy was still in the shadows: the wards slowly "emptied", elective activities were interrupted, intensive care were freed up to create as many beds as possible.5/ All this rapid transformation brought an atmosphere of silence and surreal emptiness to the corridors of the hospital that we did not yet understand, waiting for a war that was yet to begin and that many (including me) were not so sure would ever come with such ferocity.6/ I still remember my night call a week ago when I was waiting for the results of a swab. When I think about it, my anxiety over one possible case seems almost ridiculous and unjustified, now that I've seen what's happening. Well, the situation now is dramatic to say the least.7/ The war has literally exploded and battles are uninterrupted day and night. But now that need for beds has arrived in all its drama. One after the other the departments that had been emptied fill up at an impressive pace.8/ The boards with the names of the patients, of different colours depending on the operating unit, are now all red and instead of surgery you see the diagnosis, which is always the damned same: bilateral interstitial pneumonia.11/ Cases are multiplying, we arrive at a rate of 15-20 admissions per day all for the same reason. The results of the swabs now come one after the other: positive, positive, positive. Suddenly the E.R. is collapsing.13/ Someone already to be intubated and go to intensive care. For others it's too late... Every ventilator becomes like gold: those in operating theatres that have now suspended their non-urgent activity become intensive care places that did not exist before.