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#50 Re: Coronavirus Covid-19
February 29, 2020, 08:34:08 pm
US - esp of c.20% of the population have no healthcare??

The un- or underinsured in the US are, almost by definition, more likely to be poor, in more insecure employment, and with very few resources on which to fall back. They are probably much more likely to ignore symptoms, delay seeing a doctor, and to continue going to work when they feel sick. Not a good recipe.

Exacerbated by having no mandatory sick leave at a national level (some cities and states have it). A considerable public health hazard.

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#51 Re: Coronavirus Covid-19
February 29, 2020, 08:45:40 pm
I’m walking around Glasgow and just noting how many tourists there are, from just about every corner of the globe (not something I’d normally really remark) and it’s not even the busy season.

I don’t actually see how we could possibly control it.

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#52 Re: Coronavirus Covid-19
February 29, 2020, 08:48:04 pm
All about slowing it down and stretching out the impact.

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#53 Re: Coronavirus Covid-19
February 29, 2020, 08:59:26 pm
I’m walking around Glasgow and just noting how many tourists there are, from just about every corner of the globe (not something I’d normally really remark) and it’s not even the busy season.

I don’t actually see how we could possibly control it.

My brother, currently living in Hong Kong, wrote similar to me recently (inbetween exchanges about Fury vs Wilder and LUFC's promotion hopes):

"It’s easy to mock Hong Kongers’ paranoia getting such that they’re committing armed robberies to get hold of face-masks and toilet roll (actually happened), but, on the other hand, at least they take it seriously and know what to do - plenty of experience of these epidemics! They’ll go months without going to cafes / pubs /  sports events if they need to. Schools closed down. I just can’t see European governments / people adjusting to it quickly enough.

...Let’s put things in perspective by comparing it to the plague. It’s not as bad as the plague."
 

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#54 Re: Coronavirus Covid-19
February 29, 2020, 09:07:07 pm
I’m walking around Glasgow and just noting how many tourists there are, from just about every corner of the globe (not something I’d normally really remark) and it’s not even the busy season.

I don’t actually see how we could possibly control it.

My brother, currently living in Hong Kong, wrote similar to me recently (inbetween exchanges about Fury vs Wilder and LUFC's promotion hopes):

"It’s easy to mock Hong Kongers’ paranoia getting such that they’re committing armed robberies to get hold of face-masks and toilet roll (actually happened), but, on the other hand, at least they take it seriously and know what to do - plenty of experience of these epidemics! They’ll go months without going to cafes / pubs /  sports events if they need to. Schools closed down. I just can’t see European governments / people adjusting to it quickly enough.

...Let’s put things in perspective by comparing it to the plague. It’s not as bad as the plague."


We have effective treatments for the Plague...

😱 😜


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#56 Re: Coronavirus Covid-19
March 01, 2020, 11:59:49 am
A friend messaged me with a link to a 'Global Research' website article on COVID-19 being a fake pandemic...

As usual, extreme events produce extreme explanations....

To paraphrase, according to Professor of Economics at Ottowa University Michel Chossudovsky, editor of Global Research:
COVID-19 is an orchestrated plot by the US and other powerful institutions, to isolate and destabilise China and use the resultant economic fall-out to concentrate wealth into the hands of said powerful interests.
Facilitated by the WHO and global media interests.
A smoking gun is the John Hopkins National Security global pandemic simulation run in October 2019.
Other benefactors of the plot are the 'big 5' global vaccine producers.

Obvious really when you think about it. :blink:

Quote from: Global Research
About the author:
Michel Chossudovsky is an award-winning author, Professor of Economics (emeritus) at the University of Ottawa, Founder and Director of the Centre for Research on Globalization (CRG), Montreal, Editor of Global Research.  He has taught as visiting professor in Western Europe, Southeast Asia, the Pacific and Latin America. He has served as economic adviser to governments of developing countries and has acted as a consultant for several international organizations. He is the author of eleven books including The Globalization of Poverty and The New World Order (2003), America’s “War on Terrorism” (2005), The Global Economic Crisis, The Great Depression of the Twenty-first Century (2009) (Editor), Towards a World War III Scenario: The Dangers of Nuclear War (2011), The Globalization of War, America's Long War against Humanity (2015). He is a contributor to the Encyclopaedia Britannica.  His writings have been published in more than twenty languages. In 2014, he was awarded the Gold Medal for Merit of the Republic of Serbia for his writings on NATO's war of aggression against Yugoslavia. He can be reached at crgeditor@yahoo.com

An alternative view about the author:
Quote from: wikipedia
Michel Chossudovsky (born 1946) is a Canadian economist, author and conspiracy theorist.[1][2] He is professor emeritus of economics at the University of Ottawa[3][4] and the president and director of the Centre for Research on Globalization (CRG), which publishes conspiracy theories.[5][6][7][8] Chossudovsky has promoted 9/11 conspiracy theories.[9][10][13][14]

In 2017, the Centre for Research on Globalization was accused by NATO information warfare specialists of playing a key role in the spread of pro-Russian propaganda.[6]

Chossudovsky is the son of a Russian Jewish émigré, the career United Nations diplomat and academic Evgeny Chossudovsky, and an Irish Protestant, Rachel Sullivan.[15] Raised in Switzerland, Chossudovsky moved to Canada and joined the University of Ottawa in 1968.[13][16] According to the Ottawa Citizen, Chossudovsky's academic research kept him "on the margins of mainstream academia," but won praise from anti-establishment intellectuals such as Noam Chomsky. In 2005, shortly after Chossudovsky began writing about terrorism, the Citizen reported that Chossudovsky's was "a popular figure among anti-globalization activists," and that some of his students referred to him as "Canada's Chomsky."[13] At that time, some colleagues were becoming uncomfortable with Chossudovsky's ideas, with one professor describing them as having "a conspiratorial element."[13]


Seems there's also a risk of a pandemic of misinformation/conspiracy theories.


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#57 Re: Coronavirus Covid-19
March 01, 2020, 02:08:35 pm
Global Research is a crank website

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Globalresearch

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#58 Re: Coronavirus Covid-19
March 01, 2020, 02:29:29 pm
Why give them (conspiracy sites) the oxygen...

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#59 Re: Coronavirus Covid-19
March 01, 2020, 07:05:29 pm
Yep, posting here because clearly 'Global Research' have some traction online. My friend isn't an idiot but apparently prone to believing stuff he shouldn't. He asked me what I thought about their article. I replied that he should spend 5 minutes researching the author.

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#60 Re: Coronavirus Covid-19
March 01, 2020, 07:11:46 pm
I think one of the main reasons for trying to slow the spread of the virus is so the impact is spread over a few months on a health system - rather than all happen at once.

I was reading the personal account of a Chinese man (20 something) in Wuhan who has recovered - but was amazed to read that despite being self quarantined he still had 2-3 ct scans, was given retrovirals and anti HIV drugs and IV antibiotics that probably cleared up his lung problems.

That’s a high level of treatment from a stretched Chinese healthcare system.  would that happen in the UK - or US - esp of c.20% of the population have no healthcare??

It will certainly reduce mortality to have the cases spread out over time.

About the "20% have no healthcare", that's a bit of a misconception. 20% may have no health insurance but that doesn't mean that they don't get care. Under US law, all people must receive appropriate emergency and inpatient care regardless of their insurance or ability to pay. The bigger concern IMO is the actual limit of the healthcare system to provide care, and the inability to expand that capacity in a meaningful and timely manner.

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#61 Re: Coronavirus Covid-19
March 01, 2020, 07:33:38 pm
Yes abs - my mistake 20% without insurance.

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#62 Re: Coronavirus Covid-19
March 01, 2020, 10:45:47 pm
Nice twitter thread (merged) about longevity on surfaces and transmissivity.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1233807348306792448.html

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#63 Re: Coronavirus Covid-19
March 02, 2020, 07:26:33 am
This is also worth watching:

https://zdoggmd.com/peter-hotez-coronavirus/

Though, at ~40 minutes I haven’t finished it yet (I have school!😱), so if it turns to crap after ~0:20:00, sorry.

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#64 Re: Coronavirus Covid-19
March 02, 2020, 08:48:59 am
Scotland has fallen.

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#65 Re: Coronavirus Covid-19
March 02, 2020, 09:07:31 am
I think one of the main reasons for trying to slow the spread of the virus is so the impact is spread over a few months on a health system - rather than all happen at once.

I was reading the personal account of a Chinese man (20 something) in Wuhan who has recovered - but was amazed to read that despite being self quarantined he still had 2-3 ct scans, was given retrovirals and anti HIV drugs and IV antibiotics that probably cleared up his lung problems.

That’s a high level of treatment from a stretched Chinese healthcare system.  would that happen in the UK - or US - esp of c.20% of the population have no healthcare??

It will certainly reduce mortality to have the cases spread out over time.

About the "20% have no healthcare", that's a bit of a misconception. 20% may have no health insurance but that doesn't mean that they don't get care.
Doesn't an inability to pay and a fear of potentially being bankrupted for receiving care lead to people avoiding seeking the care they need?

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#66 Re: Coronavirus Covid-19
March 02, 2020, 09:28:04 am
Scotland has fallen.
SNP planning to send in 500,000,000,000 midges to eat the virus...

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#67 Re: Coronavirus Covid-19
March 02, 2020, 12:37:23 pm
Madagascar has reportedly closed all ports and blocked all international flights.

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#68 Re: Coronavirus Covid-19
March 02, 2020, 12:53:22 pm
This is also worth watching:

https://zdoggmd.com/peter-hotez-coronavirus/

This was very good. Worth listening to. Some interesting comments. 14.8% of health professionals working with cases in China developed severe symptoms (requiring hospitalisation) much higher than the public levels. This has key implications as you could easily run out of people to treat the ill/sick...

Vaccine would take at least a year to develop because vaccines have the most stringent of regulations/trials needed etc.. (thanks anti vaccers..).

Transmissivity is 1:4 - 1 person will pass it on to 4. This puts it between the regular flu at 1:2, Ebola 1:2 and Measles 1:14. But still not completely sure whether its transmitted via very small droplets (like measles).

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#69 Re: Coronavirus Covid-19
March 02, 2020, 03:40:50 pm
Apparently Boris and Matt were wrong about the NHS at the weekend. Who could have seen that coming?

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/mar/02/coronavirus-just-eight-out-of-1600-doctors-in-poll-say-nhs-is-ready



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#70 Re: Coronavirus Covid-19
March 02, 2020, 04:34:12 pm
5 schools in Torbay closed. Waiting on an email. after a meeting this evening, to find out if my youngest two’s primary is closing tomorrow or not.

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#71 Re: Coronavirus Covid-19
March 02, 2020, 06:22:06 pm
How long are they planning on shutting them for OMM?  Also interested to hear what advice parents are getting, are they children now supposed to avoid contact with others and stay at home.??
No closures in the North of the Shire at present.  Two schools have recently returned from ski trips to Northern Italy, they have all returned as normal because they weren’t in the areas defined as high risk by the Italian government.

On the plus side air quality in China is on the up.  There is the possibility that air pollution related mortality could be reduced as a result.

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#72 Re: Coronavirus Covid-19
March 02, 2020, 06:25:54 pm
I don’t know.
Unfortunately, my info is filtered through text messages from my partner, but I gather they’re all schools who did the half term ski trips to Italy, or those who had siblings on the same.
My kid’s school is staying open for now.

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#73 Re: Coronavirus Covid-19
March 03, 2020, 01:57:59 pm
But on the positive side, sales of Camus's The Plague and Saramago's Blindness are skyrocketing https://www.actualitte.com/article/monde-edition/italie-a-l-ere-du-coronavirus-la-peste-de-camus-devient-un-best-seller/99478

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#74 Re: Coronavirus Covid-19
March 03, 2020, 02:16:57 pm
Strangely, Kierkegaard’s The Sickness Unto Death seems not to have had the same boost  :-\
https://www.naturalthinker.net/trl/texts/Kierkegaard,Soren/TheSicknessUntoDeath.pdfday

 

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