So, long haul is now bad, nipping down to Spain /Switzerland / Alps once, twice or three times a year for a week is OK though?
I've flown one long-haul flight in the last 10 years, since having kids, but used to do at least one a year before. That's not to do with any offsetting btw, more to do with not being able to afford it, or avoiding spent too much time in a plane with them!
There are predictions that global population will stabilise at 8-9 billion in about 20 years time. The rate of growth is slowing - and if the trend continues etc...
I found it pretty hypocritical and a bit cliquish to make the CO2 comment for that post, by a new poster from the US who none of us know personally, Andy. The same climate comment could have been be dropped in countless other posts and I think it generally isn't, for fear of offending someone we might know.about.
I'm surprised there hasn't been more of a backlash against sponsored heroes.
I think Stubbs picked me up on it a while ago in an off-hand way.
I really don't know, I've just seen long haul flyers being vilified on a few occasions by people who i know fly to Europe a few times a year and seem to think it's OK.
Quote from: SA Chris on February 20, 2020, 04:42:05 pmSo, long haul is now bad, nipping down to Spain /Switzerland / Alps once, twice or three times a year for a week is OK though?I would feel uncomfortable flying to Spain /Switzerland / Alps once, twice or three times a year for a week. What's your opinion on it?
On here? I remember you posting about how Lewis Hamilton should give up his AMG’s and his G5 rather than his fillet steak.
I think I made the point at the time that I'd sat on a long haul flight tutting at all the plastic going in the bin when it struck me that I was perhaps focussing selectively!
I found it pretty hypocritical and a bit cliquish to make the CO2 comment for that post, by a new poster from the US who none of us know personally, Andy. The same climate comment could have been be dropped in countless other posts and I think it generally isn't, for fear of offending someone we might know.
Where's the bar for dropping the 'CO2 comment' on someone's post about travelling to climb? Font? South of France? Greece? South Africa? US?It's a dumb question because you don't know people's circumstances. Does the person eat meat or are they vegan and eat locally-produced; travel often or hardly ever; live efficiently and off-grid or in a leaky old big house.And the real elephant in the room, the biggest emitters by far: do they have children? I could fly trans-Atlantic once per year for the next 20 years, and all other thigns being equal I'd emit massively less than an average household with two kids. I'm not anti-kids, I'm anti-people with a skewed sense of perspective.https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/jul/12/want-to-fight-climate-change-have-fewer-children
Interesting to think about the Pareto law when thinking about climate change and global emissions of CO2..'80% of effects come from 20% of causes..'Interesting to see if that rule holds true if you calculated total global emissions and divided by total number of countries.According to this, 4 countries emit 52% of all CO2 emissions (China, US, Russia, India).Cut the CO2 emissions of each of the biggest 4 emitters by a modest 20% and you'd cut total global CO2 emissions by 10%.Compare with cutting the UK's CO2 emissions by 100% and you cut global emissions by 1%. Though more complex because of the patterns of global trade. Cutting emissions in UK may also cut emissions in China.
It's a dumb question because you don't know people's circumstances. Does the person eat meat or are they vegan and eat locally-produced; travel often or hardly ever; live efficiently and off-grid or in a leaky old big house.And the real elephant in the room, the biggest emitters by far: do they have children? I could fly trans-Atlantic once per year for the next 20 years, and all other thigns being equal I'd emit massively less than an average household with two kids. I'm not anti-kids, I'm anti-people with a skewed sense of perspective.
It's strange to me that a single long flight is the same amount of co2 as a year's worth of driving, yet a fraction of the price financially. I don't understand why this is, are airline tickets artificially cheap somehow? Or maybe it's just that I always fly coach.
I think that a consideration here is that it is so easy to get the train to these places. I just arrived in Hull today at 3pm after taking a Nightjet from Vienna at 9pm last night. Approx 20hrs, a lot of which was spent in bed. I think this is comparable or further in distance to switzerland and northern spain. From all the reading I have done regarding trains vs planes, trains come out on top nearly every time. So I think people could consider taking the train instead of taking short haul flights for these trips.Edit: just read this back. the example wasn't intended to be preachy or a virtue signalling humble brag. Just wanted to illustrate that it is really quite easy to swap flying for the train for some euro destinations.
