More importantly, I find the terms of the debate - basically a competition to outbid each other on who is most low-tax/small state and most anti-"woke" - utterly depressing. It's like a monomaniacal obsession. They have no other vision of how to build a dynamic, forward looking society and economy.
Quote from: andy popp on July 13, 2022, 07:36:20 amMore importantly, I find the terms of the debate - basically a competition to outbid each other on who is most low-tax/small state and most anti-"woke" - utterly depressing. It's like a monomaniacal obsession. They have no other vision of how to build a dynamic, forward looking society and economy.Agree with all that. On the other hand, were I in that race, I’d look at what has worked recently and quite reasonably I think, conclude that what works is candy floss promises of no tax, no state, huge prosperity. If the parliamentary Tory party and the membership and large chunks of the wider electorate seem to believe that Thatcherite fantasy hasn’t worked yet because we just haven’t haven’t had enough medicine, I’d give them promises of more, with a side helping of cultural anxiety to keep them sharp.
I predict, on the basis of zero special insight, that it will soon be narrowed to Sunak/Truss, though perhaps not after today's first round of voting (e.g. there will still be more than two at the end of today). I no longer know what the process is but if the general membership has any role I would have thought that favours Truss. More importantly, I find the terms of the debate - basically a competition to outbid each other on who is most low-tax/small state and most anti-"woke" - utterly depressing. It's like a monomaniacal obsession. They have no other vision of how to build a dynamic, forward looking society and economy.
Truss is presumably terrible given that Dorries - who is either a total fuckwit or reprehensible or both - is backing her.
Sunak is more likely to win over which ever of the mentals ends up in the final two.
Quote from: abarro81 on July 13, 2022, 04:25:12 amTruss is presumably terrible given that Dorries - who is either a total fuckwit or reprehensible or both - is backing her.Not just Dorries, but JRM, IDS and Mark Francois...... Quite the handful of c**ts.
I can't imagine refugees sat on a flight to Rwanda are in any way consoled by the fact a woman of colour put them there.Being abused by sociopaths of all genders and ethnicities is a certain kind of equality I guess.
Quote from: TobyD on July 13, 2022, 07:25:20 amSunak is more likely to win over which ever of the mentals ends up in the final two.I think this is completely wrong based on all the polling?
Well, that's the same for all polling ever apart from the exit poll. I was just curious what you were based your "Sunak is more likely" comment on or is that just opinion? Cause the polls I've seen are not even close, he'll make the final two but if the other is Mordaunt he will probably lose. Against truss it's less clear cut.
Quote from: galpinos on July 13, 2022, 10:47:19 amQuote from: abarro81 on July 13, 2022, 04:25:12 amTruss is presumably terrible given that Dorries - who is either a total fuckwit or reprehensible or both - is backing her.Not just Dorries, but JRM, IDS and Mark Francois...... Quite the handful of c**ts.Don't forget Truss was an ardent Remainer as well!As they were saying on the Rest Is Politics podcast yesterday, while the collection of weirdos and nutters is disconcerting, I guess you could say it's progress that there is at least a decent amount of diversity in the candidates in terms of them not all being middle aged white men.
There's also this weird thing whereby you can rocket up the ranks of the Conservative party by being a BAME person who's willing to declare loudly that RACISM DOESN'T EXIST, BRITAIN HAS NEVER DONE ANYTHING WRONG, CHILDREN SHOULD BE TAUGHT ABOUT THE POSITIVE SIDE OF THE SLAVE TRADE AND WE SHOULD TRAFFICK REFUGEES TO RWANDA. They loooooove that. Checkmate lefties you can't say it's racist if it's Priti Patel saying it!!!And their own racism and misogyny gets reserved for the other side (in public at least).
Tugendhat and Mourdant are being painted an more centrist "from the left of the party" (whatever the hell that means), but who knows what moral sacrifices they would have to make to the ERG wonks to stay in power.
Quote from: tommytwotone on July 14, 2022, 11:49:37 amTugendhat and Mourdant are being painted an more centrist "from the left of the party" (whatever the hell that means), but who knows what moral sacrifices they would have to make to the ERG wonks to stay in power.Both support/have pledged to continue with the Rwanda plan.
Quote from: galpinos on July 14, 2022, 02:03:39 pmQuote from: tommytwotone on July 14, 2022, 11:49:37 amTugendhat and Mourdant are being painted an more centrist "from the left of the party" (whatever the hell that means), but who knows what moral sacrifices they would have to make to the ERG wonks to stay in power.Both support/have pledged to continue with the Rwanda plan.I guess that's my point - it's a complete irrelevance what they say or do in this process, as when they get into the messy business of trying to (re)unite a fundamentally broken party, and actually govern, the whole machine of the right-ist factions and their media machine will force them in that direction anyway.
It now looks probable that the Brexit hard right ultras in the party and at places like the spectator will install Truss to fight their pathetic culture war and screw up the Northern Ireland situation completely. She's basically the worst of Johnson and May combined: incompetent and robotic , I think she'd be a disaster but the elderly conservative voting population will probably love her pound shop Thatcher tribute act, and she'll probably win in the end. It's hugely depressing but I reckon it looks likely now.
Quote from: TobyD on July 15, 2022, 07:16:10 amIt now looks probable that the Brexit hard right ultras in the party and at places like the spectator will install Truss to fight their pathetic culture war and screw up the Northern Ireland situation completely. She's basically the worst of Johnson and May combined: incompetent and robotic , I think she'd be a disaster but the elderly conservative voting population will probably love her pound shop Thatcher tribute act, and she'll probably win in the end. It's hugely depressing but I reckon it looks likely now.You think there’s going to be a big swing behind her after the weekend? She still seems to be quite far behind the front two in polling