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#2225 Re: Politics 2020
July 07, 2022, 01:02:58 pm
Well, he's gone (or going) but how can anyone realistically expect the Tories to conjur a functional government out of this morass of stupidity? Very little has changed, really.

Unfortunately yes. Three leaders in six years suggests a party that has some deep structural problems. Voting for a party led by Johnson suggests something quite wrong with the U.K.

Looks like another couple of years of shite government.

"Strong and Stable"   :-\

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#2226 Re: Politics 2020
July 07, 2022, 01:33:59 pm
Woohoo...... The law breaking liar is going. I'm not sure if any of the cabinet that supported him, then turned to save their own skin are fit to replace him tho.

Hopefully the 1922 lot get him out sooner rather than later.

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#2227 Re: Politics 2020
July 07, 2022, 03:39:52 pm
Woohoo...... The law breaking liar is going. I'm not sure if any of the cabinet that supported him, then turned to save their own skin are fit to replace him tho.

Hopefully the 1922 lot get him out sooner rather than later.

He's having his delayed Wedding Party at Chequers in the summer so he won't leave office before that.

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#2228 Re: Politics 2020
July 07, 2022, 03:42:11 pm
They have no way of dealing with the current cost of living crisis, no matter who is in charge, because the Tory Party as it exists right now doesn't have the ideas to resolve it. It's a party of blind commitment to idealogical undermining of the economy.

It's a very hard problem to fix now, but it could have been avoided or lessened if the tories hadn't spent the past decade stripping public services back to the bone in every sector, economically self-harming with Brexit, whilst cutting taxes for the wealthy and slipping a few million to their mates here and there. Yes a pandemic is always going to be a rare and difficult challenge but if you're starting from a point where the NHS is on its knees and struggling to survive a normal winter, it's obviously going to be a disaster.

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#2229 Re: Politics 2020
July 07, 2022, 04:21:53 pm
Well, he's gone (or going) but how can anyone realistically expect the Tories to conjur a functional government out of this morass of stupidity? Very little has changed, really.

Unfortunately yes. Three leaders in six years suggests a party that has some deep structural problems. Voting for a party led by Johnson suggests something quite wrong with the U.K.

Looks like another couple of years of shite government.

"Strong and Stable"   :-\

Thank God we were saved from Chaos With Ed Milliband!

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#2230 Re: Politics 2020
July 07, 2022, 05:23:16 pm
Lots of versions of this pic floating around:

https://twitter.com/_jungleballs/status/1481589087773540352

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#2231 Re: Politics 2020
July 07, 2022, 05:55:41 pm
My fave,


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#2233 Re: Politics 2020
July 07, 2022, 06:58:48 pm
Mine from a couple of days ago:
https://twitter.com/mrjohnofarrell/status/1544259833385328640?t=hJOj7Q3cKJEA38sabJCXnQ&s=19

Brilliant!

Paywalled, but BJs article for the Telegraph about Gordon Brown "lashing himself to the radiator" in order to avoid being evicted from no. 10, is really quite something in the current context.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/0/boris-johnson-gordon-brown-election-2010-bathroom-real-problems/

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#2234 Re: Politics 2020
July 07, 2022, 07:47:25 pm
Mine from a couple of days ago:
https://twitter.com/mrjohnofarrell/status/1544259833385328640?t=hJOj7Q3cKJEA38sabJCXnQ&s=19

Brilliant!

Paywalled, but BJs article for the Telegraph about Gordon Brown "lashing himself to the radiator" in order to avoid being evicted from no. 10, is really quite something in the current context.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/0/boris-johnson-gordon-brown-election-2010-bathroom-real-problems/

Ha, that's excellent  :clap2:

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#2235 Re: Politics 2020
July 07, 2022, 08:03:47 pm
Although 3 years old and with a Brexit focus, this is well worth a watch. Including the eerily prescient line (although perhaps obvious to many) "All of the skills that helped Johnson to become Prime Minister will not paper over all of the deficits that are going to make him terrible at that job."


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#2238 Re: Politics 2020
July 08, 2022, 09:23:53 pm
Sensational

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#2239 Re: Politics 2020
July 12, 2022, 03:36:17 pm
Bought a new kitchen today, on the basis that 0% finance is a steal at the moment.

There's no chance this shower of fuckwits will get inflation under control. In a year's time the monthly payment of £173 will be roughly equivalent to the cost of a tin of beans

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#2240 Re: Politics 2020
July 12, 2022, 04:59:20 pm
Interest rates may be rising, but probably not by much, and certainly not to the same extent as they have in other historical periods of high inflation.

This is not so much because of the high level of personal borrowing many people currently have; but more due to the massive levels of government borrowing.

If interest rates on government debts were to go beyond 3 or 4% the nation would no longer be able to manage the repayments.

How to lower inflation without raising interest rates will be a major problem for the UK government (and many others) for some time to come.

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#2241 Re: Politics 2020
July 12, 2022, 05:02:09 pm

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#2242 Re: Politics 2020
July 12, 2022, 08:55:32 pm
Interest rates may be rising, but probably not by much, and certainly not to the same extent as they have in other historical periods of high inflation.

This is not so much because of the high level of personal borrowing many people currently have; but more due to the massive levels of government borrowing.

If interest rates on government debts were to go beyond 3 or 4% the nation would no longer be able to manage the repayments.

How to lower inflation without raising interest rates will be a major problem for the UK government (and many others) for some time to come.

I read something saying something similar - basically raising interest rates high enough to curb inflation will make gov debt unmanageable, so instead they're going to let inflation run  higher than they would like (cost of living disaster!) but this helps reduce the real terms debt as its "inflated away".

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#2243 Re: Politics 2020
July 12, 2022, 10:08:47 pm
Interest rates may be rising, but probably not by much, and certainly not to the same extent as they have in other historical periods of high inflation.

This is not so much because of the high level of personal borrowing many people currently have; but more due to the massive levels of government borrowing.

If interest rates on government debts were to go beyond 3 or 4% the nation would no longer be able to manage the repayments.

How to lower inflation without raising interest rates will be a major problem for the UK government (and many others) for some time to come.

I read something saying something similar - basically raising interest rates high enough to curb inflation will make gov debt unmanageable, so instead they're going to let inflation run  higher than they would like (cost of living disaster!) but this helps reduce the real terms debt as its "inflated away".

The fiscally incompetent drivel being spouted by most of the Tory leadership candidates is atrocious.  I don't particularly like Sunak, but he's the only one who seems to be saying anything close to sane. If we end up with Truss, we're totally f****d.

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#2244 Re: Politics 2020
July 12, 2022, 10:30:28 pm
Yeah, similar. Actually met Sunak at work (had to give him a safety talk and some inane spiel about the wind turbine we ran) and he seemed to mainly just say soundbites and expect fawning responses. He didn't seem much of a listener!

I find his excessively privileged background pretty worrying (how can someone like that ever really understand the issues of the commoner) but he may be the least worst cunt of the bunch.

Or maybe Tom Tugendhat - anyone know much about him?
« Last Edit: July 12, 2022, 10:37:14 pm by Fultonius »

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#2245 Re: Politics 2020
July 13, 2022, 04:25:12 am
I don't know anything about his policies, but Tugendhat is the only Tory MP Ive heard on the radio in the past few years where I've thought "you sound sensible" and not "you sounds like a tit/idiot"

Truss is presumably terrible given that Dorries - who is either a total fuckwit or reprehensible or both - is backing her.

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#2246 Re: Politics 2020
July 13, 2022, 06:49:24 am
Choosing your favourite tory candidate is a bit like deciding which toilet you want to use at Glastonbury.

Tugendhat does seem the least bad to me.

At the point politics is at now, I would just take competence and some moral integrity, regardless of party, left/right leaning or policies.

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#2247 Re: Politics 2020
July 13, 2022, 07:25:20 am
Choosing your favourite tory candidate is a bit like deciding which toilet you want to use at Glastonbury.

Tugendhat does seem the least bad to me.

At the point politics is at now, I would just take competence and some moral integrity, regardless of party, left/right leaning or policies.

Quite. I think Tugenhert seems like a reasonable person, as in some ways does Penny Mordant; but Sunak is more likely to win over which ever of the mentals ends up in the final two.

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#2248 Re: Politics 2020
July 13, 2022, 07:27:08 am
Penny Mordaunt is currently polling as beating Sunak if those two went to the party membership. And by quite a way.

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#2249 Re: Politics 2020
July 13, 2022, 07:36:20 am
I predict, on the basis of zero special insight, that it will soon be narrowed to Sunak/Truss, though perhaps not after today's first round of voting (e.g. there will still be more than two at the end of today). I no longer know what the process is but if the general membership has any role I would have thought that favours Truss.

More importantly, I find the terms of the debate - basically a competition to outbid each other on who is most low-tax/small state and most anti-"woke" - utterly depressing. It's like a monomaniacal obsession. They have no other vision of how to build a dynamic, forward looking society and economy.

 

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