[lurcher]

I'm sure NTBTA was given HVS 5c?  in the Stanage guide when I first did it.   Or am I totally making that up and thinking of something else?  not got old guide to look.. was that the 1984 ish guide?

Think was enough grass then instead of pads.....

[Fiend]

It was E2 6a in the red guide, so probably classic HVS 5c bollox in the older guide, in the same vein as every other HVS 5b/c micro-route on grit that are always far more dangerous than E2 5b slabs with good gear at half-height.

It took me 3 or 4 visits to psyche myself up to do it as a solo rather than a highball....

[cheque]

I'm sure NTBTA was given HVS 5c?  in the Stanage guide when I first did it.   Or am I totally making that up and thinking of something else?  not got old guide to look.. was that the 1984 ish guide?

It’s HVS 5c in the ‘83 guide, E2 6a in the ‘89 & ‘02 guides & V4 (6b) in the current one.