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Doping
September 21, 2018, 08:05:02 am
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/sep/20/wada-crisis-lifts-russia-suspension-anti-doping


Outrageous.
Proven organised cheating. Totalitarian regime that interferes in foreign elections, has an even worse policy on the Middle East than almost anyone else, uses chemical weapons in the UK... welcome them back into the fold, give them a pat on the back.

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#1 Re: Doping
September 21, 2018, 11:30:41 am
Yes I was pretty incredulous when I heard this on the radio last night. It's a mockery of the whole anti-doping system.

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#2 Re: Doping
September 21, 2018, 01:38:13 pm
I bet many Wada highly ranked members will be seen driving supercars in exotic locations around the world very soon.

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#3 Re: Doping
September 21, 2018, 07:05:52 pm
Yes I was pretty incredulous when I heard this on the radio last night. It's a mockery of the whole anti-doping system.

There’s a system?

What the fuck is it?
                                  [-> Sod all
Money -> chicanery -[-> a joke
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#4 Re: Doping
September 21, 2018, 11:53:20 pm
Marina Hyde seems to have it right: faced with intransigence, WADA chose to comply with Russia instead
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2018/sep/19/wada-russia-doping-ban-athletics

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#5 Re: Doping
September 22, 2018, 11:16:15 pm
Marina Hyde seems to have it right: faced with intransigence, WADA chose to comply with Russia instead

I'm not sure what you are implying here... Intransigence?
Basically Wada has been utterly toothless and rolled over to lobbying, and probably considerable financial interests. My reference to the Russian state was intended. Totalitarian regimes often try to project their notional superiority through sports and the ban has clearly irked them. Another win for Putin.

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#6 Re: Doping
September 23, 2018, 04:56:21 pm
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/sep/20/wada-crisis-lifts-russia-suspension-anti-doping


Outrageous.
Proven organised cheating. Totalitarian regime that interferes in foreign elections, has an even worse policy on the Middle East than almost anyone else, uses chemical weapons in the UK... welcome them back into the fold, give them a pat on the back.

Agree entirely with sentiment on doping/ the Russian state wielding it’s power and influence to get what it wants.

Interfering in foreign elections :-\ that was the British wasn’t it? (Cambridge Analytica)
Worse policy on Middle East than almost anyone  :-\ presumably the ‘almost’ is there to account for the British and the Americans.
Uses Chemical weapons in the UK  :-\ not exactly watertight evidence to suggest that this is true, perhaps we should wait to see if anyone is prosecuted before making such statement (not that our government or MSM have held back).

Perhaps it is tongue in cheek but the start of this thread seems to be placing ‘us’ (the British) as having some kind of moral high ground over Russia and therefore being critical of their doping from a superior moral position becomes easy.   Personally,  I suspect a lot of states and sporting organisations play with the boundaries and flirt with the line on what is allowed/ look for ways to ‘legally’ cross those lines.  Team Sky being a particularly well known example of a British sporting organisation that has been working very close to that line.

I guess the big question for us climbers is whether or not there is this kind of cheating and testing of rules going on amongst the ‘athletes’ in our ‘sport’?

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#7 Re: Doping
September 23, 2018, 09:46:50 pm
We have rules?


I thought everything was fair game, as long as your foot doesn’t touch a sponsorship sign...

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#8 Re: Doping
September 23, 2018, 10:36:40 pm
Hi Toby, not implying, stating the obvious, surely?

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#9 Re: Doping
September 24, 2018, 01:08:01 pm
I mostly feel sorry for the Russian athletes, it's really shameful that more is not done from the international community to safe guard them. Thrown under the bus for nothing, basically.

State sponsored doping kind of implies that there's not much in the way of choice for the athletes, and the results of other states doping programs were terrifying with unordinary many children of athletes born with birth defects, extraordinary low life expectancies due to cardiac failures, involuntary sex change etc and so forth.

Sure, everyone understands that the Kenyans etc are jacked to the hilt with EPO since they don't have much in the way of a functioning state, but Russia has a bureaucracy so there is no excuse for letting this go on.

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#10 Re: Doping
September 24, 2018, 01:28:26 pm

Perhaps it is tongue in cheek but the start of this thread seems to be placing ‘us’ (the British) as having some kind of moral high ground over Russia and therefore being critical of their doping from a superior moral position becomes easy.   Personally,  I suspect a lot of states and sporting organisations play with the boundaries and flirt with the line on what is allowed/ look for ways to ‘legally’ cross those lines.  Team Sky being a particularly well known example of a British sporting organisation that has been working very close to that line.

It's lovely that you think this personally, and has been proven to be true about Sky in several areas, where they have been examined and appropriately (or not) censured. There is however a fucking ocean between this and having state employed doctors program doping for your olympic teams, have a literal hole in the wall of your lab for switching out samples, and have the assistance of your secret police to find a way of tampering with sealed sample containers and helping with the switches.

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#11 Re: Doping
September 24, 2018, 01:42:46 pm
In reply to Brutus the Bear: moral superiority over Russia? No. Over Putin and his regime? Yes, we do.
 I agree with the sympathy expressed for russian athletes, I suspect that they may have had little choice in whether to participate or not.

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#12 Re: Doping
September 24, 2018, 09:00:50 pm
In reply to Brutus the Bear: moral superiority over Russia? No. Over Putin and his regime? Yes, we do.
 I agree with the sympathy expressed for russian athletes, I suspect that they may have had little choice in whether to participate or not.
  The current regime in charge of our country has benefited greatly from kind and very generous donations of dirty Russian cash, the banks our country regulates have cleansed vast quantities  of dirty Russian cash and our capital city is built precariously upon the dregs washed from dirty Russian cash.  Still feeling morally superior?

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#13 Re: Doping
September 24, 2018, 10:21:44 pm
Ah lovely more false equivalency.

 

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